Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?

[DiamondDave]

i have no problem if my taxes went for abortions....even though thats not the case

And I have no problem if my taxes went toward funding time travel research... so that we could go back in time and fund yours

 

[MaggieMae]

The real onus for this is of course on the demonRats. they didn't do a budget AT ALL, they should have but they didn't and purely for political reasons they chose not to do a budget and now it's come back to bite them in their hairy little ratty asses..

Didn't do a budget? Of course they did. But Republicans and Democrats can't agree to the smallest items in said budget, so the process gets drawn out long beyond the deadline. Note the process for passing an annual budget. Every single one of these committee hearings wound up in vote along party lines, period, and the Senate did not have the majority needed to pass the budget.

Appropriations/Budget – The WashingtonWatch.com Blog

The nice thing is that there is a bipartisan failure shaping up. The Republican House will almost certainly not produce a budget on time. The Democratic Senate will almost certainly not produce its budget on time. Thus, Americans of all perspectives can unite in criticism of our Congress.

Just as there was a bipartisan failure for the 2011 budget.

 

[bodecea]

You're the definition of all talk. Gonna get violent from moms basement?

Welcome to the Ignore List.

Yeah....so tough alright.

 

[bodecea]

You're the definition of all talk. Gonna get violent from moms basement?

Welcome to the Ignore List.

Finally!

Moving UP in the world!

 

[MaggieMae]

The Republicans are using the budget process to kill every program that they were outvoted on in the past.

- Planned Parenthood
- Healthcare
- Environmental Protection
- Education
- PBS/NPR

GOOD FOR THEM. They're actually finally taking a STAND, after apparently realizing that when you're dealing with the immoral, the insane, and the Liberal (yea, I know I'm being redundant) that VOTES are not the means to get thing accomplished and are nothing more than a waste of time.

Rather than negotiate in good faith, they are holding the government hostage to push through a rightwing conservative agenda under the excuse of balancing the budget

You don't negotiate with your ENEMIES.... You DESTROY THEM by any means possible. Just be happy they're using political means at this point rather than my prefered method of violent revolution.

Nobody wants to deny debate over their issues at the appropriate time. But POLICY is not something that needs to be discussed during emergency legislation. There were cuts to many of the POLICIES, which is appropriate, but the teeps want to completely eliminate Planned Parenthood, and it's not going to happen as part of an emergency continuing budget resolution. Yes, it's that simple.

 

[bodecea]

Many of us told you GOP Hacks that they would cost you the Senate, and they did. Now they will cost you the WH in 2012.

That would be GREAT.... then maybe we can get people mobilized for what it will REALLY take to TRULY implement change in this country..... REVOLUTION.

Says the Cream Puff so brave he puts half the board on Ignore because he can't handle people who disagree with him.

 

[MaggieMae]

The Republicans are using the budget process to kill every program that they were outvoted on in the past.

- Planned Parenthood
- Healthcare
- Environmental Protection
- Education
- PBS/NPR

GOOD FOR THEM. They're actually finally taking a STAND, after apparently realizing that when you're dealing with the immoral, the insane, and the Liberal (yea, I know I'm being redundant) that VOTES are not the means to get thing accomplished and are nothing more than a waste of time.

Rather than negotiate in good faith, they are holding the government hostage to push through a rightwing conservative agenda under the excuse of balancing the budget

You don't negotiate with your ENEMIES.... You DESTROY THEM by any means possible. Just be happy they're using political means at this point rather than my prefered method of violent revolution.

You're the epitome of how NOT to be an American. You should move to Arizona where they just passed a law that students can now carry guns. I'm sure you'll be more than welcome in the New "old west" where you were justified in killing to get what you wanted.

 

[Anachronism]

You say you want a revolution.....

I absolutely HATE that song and always have.

 

[bodecea]

You are negotiating from a minority position

The guy with the gun and the willingness to use it is NEVER in a minority position, rw.

Cool....Can you add me too?

Sorry, I don't do requests. You're gonna have to earn your way onto it, just like everyone else.

Cool. We've got guns too.

 

[MaggieMae]

The Government Shutdown is About Abortion and Pollution | Death and Taxes

Leaving aside the fact that abortion is a medical procedure performed by medical professionals and should therefore enjoy the same federal dollars our government has deemed wise to spend on public health, to shut down the government over the chump change Washington spends on the procedure is nothing short of ludicrous. The government’s relationship with abortion, as well as its relation with the environment, are conversations that are absolutely worthwhile—so worthwhile that they require completely separate debates. Attempting action on these issues in the context of a budget debate, prompting gridlock (which Republicans had to know would happen) and endangering the livelihood of nearly one million government employees in addition to freezing public services, is profoundly irresponsible.

Since it's only "chump change" then Planned Parenthood will no doubt be able to replace that funding from a private source. Are you telling us that the Democrats are willing to shut the government down over "chump change"?

Are the Republicans willing to shut down the government over an issue that's already the law, and also the law that abortion can't be funded with federal money anyway?

 

[Valerie]

“This debate was about saving money, but no longer,” said Reid in a floor speech.

Legislation approved by the House would eliminate funding for all of Title X. Though Title X does not pay for abortions, $75 million of last year’s Title X funding went to Planned Parenthood affiliates. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services, but says it does not use taxpayer money for that purpose.

“They think there is nothing more important than keeping women from getting cancer screenings?” asked Reid. “This is indefensible and every man and woman should be outraged.”

Reid says GOP stance on abortion rider 'indefensible' - The Hill's Floor Action

Family Planning

The Title X Family Planning program ["Population Research and Voluntary Family Planning Programs" (Public Law 91-572)], was enacted in 1970 as Title X of the Public Health Service Act. Title X is the only federal grant program dedicated solely to providing individuals with comprehensive family planning and related preventive health services. The Title X program is designed to provide access to contraceptive services, supplies and information to all who want and need them. By law, priority is given to persons from low-income families.

The Title X Family Planning program is administered within the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health, Office of Population Affairs (OPA) by the Office of Family Planning (OFP). In fiscal year 2010, Congress appropriated approximately $317,491 million for family planning activities supported under Title X. At least 90 percent of the appropriation is used for clinical family planning services as described in the statute and regulations (45 CFR Part 59).

In calendar year 2008, 88 Title X grantees provided family planning services to approximately five million women and men through a network of more than 4,500 community-based clinics that include State and local health departments, tribal organizations, hospitals, university health centers, independent clinics, community health centers, faith-based organizations, and other public and private nonprofit agencies. In approximately 75% of U.S. counties, there is at least one clinic that receives Title X funds and provides services as required under the Title X statute.

Over the past 40 years, Title X family planning clinics have played a critical role in ensuring access to a broad range of family planning and related preventive health services for millions of low-income or uninsured individuals and others. In addition to contraceptive services and related counseling, Title X-supported clinics provide a number of related preventive health services such as: patient education and counseling; breast and pelvic examinations; breast and cervical cancer screening according to nationally recognized standards of care; sexually transmitted disease (STD) and Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) prevention education, counseling, testing and referral; and pregnancy diagnosis and counseling. By law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning.

The Title X program also supports three key functions, authorized under the Title X statute aimed at improving the quality of family planning services and assisting clinics with responding to client needs. These functions include: (1) training for family planning clinic personnel through ten regional general training programs and three national training programs that focus on clinical training, enhancing quality family planning services for males, and/or coordination of training activities on the national level; (2) data collection and family planning research aimed at improving the delivery of family planning services; and, (3) information dissemination and community based education and outreach activities. These functions help to ensure that family planning services are evidence-based and of high quality.

The Title X family planning program is intended to assist individuals in determining the number and spacing of their children. This promotes positive birth outcomes and healthy families. The education, counseling, and medical services available in Title X-funded clinic settings assist couples in achieving these goals.

Family Planning

So, just to be clear... The hold up to passing a 3.55 Trillion dollar budget is the proposed eradication of ALL Title X funding which in 2010 amounted to $137 million which falls under discretionary spending.

The sticking point is the $75 million portion (of that $137m) which goes to PP affiliates but is already legally required to not go toward abortion services.

Government spending

The President's budget request for 2010 totals $3.55 Trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2009. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:[8]

* Mandatory spending: $2.009 Trillion (-20.1%)
o $695 billion (+4.9%) – Social Security
o $571 billion (−15.2%) – Other mandatory programs
o $453 billion (+6.6%) – Medicare
o $290 billion (+12.0%) – Medicaid
o $164 billion (+18.0%) – Interest on National Debt
o $11 billion (+275%) – Potential disaster costs
o $0 billion (−100%) – Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
o $0 billion (−100%) – Financial stabilization efforts

US receipt and expenditure estimates for fiscal year 2010.

* Discretionary spending: $1.368 Trillion (+13.1%)
o $663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)
o $78.7 billion (−1.7%) – Department of Health and Human Services
o $72.5 billion (+2.8%) – Department of Transportation
o $52.5 billion (+10.3%) – Department of Veterans Affairs
o $51.7 billion (+40.9%) – Department of State and Other International Programs
o $47.5 billion (+18.5%) – Department of Housing and Urban Development
o $46.7 billion (+12.8%) – Department of Education
o $42.7 billion (+1.2%) – Department of Homeland Security
o $26.3 billion (−0.4%) – Department of Energy
o $26.0 billion (+8.8%) – Department of Agriculture
o $23.9 billion (−6.3%) – Department of Justice
o $18.7 billion (+5.1%) – National Aeronautics and Space Administration
o $13.8 billion (+48.4%) – Department of Commerce
o $13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of Labor
o $13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of the Treasury
o $12.0 billion (+6.2%) – Department of the Interior
o $10.5 billion (+34.6%) – Environmental Protection Agency
o $9.7 billion (+10.2%) – Social Security Administration
o $7.0 billion (+1.4%) – National Science Foundation
o $5.1 billion (−3.8%) – Corps of Engineers
o $5.0 billion (+100%) – National Infrastructure Bank
o $1.1 billion (+22.2%) – Corporation for National and Community Service
o $0.7 billion (0.0%) – Small Business Administration
o $0.6 billion (−14.3%) – General Services Administration
o $19.8 billion (+3.7%) – Other Agencies
o $105 billion – Other

2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Immanuel]

As you take money away from birth control services, you increase the need for abortions

Cutting off your nose to spite your face

Let PP get its own funding like the rest of the business world has to do. After all, abortion is a business. You simply want us to keep funding abortion with some kind of an emotional plea that if we don't fund abortions there will be more abortions.

What kind of left wing garbage is that?

Immie

Where does the federal Government currently fund abortions?

From the mouth of your own horse:

National Abortion Federation: Common Questions and Myths about Abortion

Q. Does military insurance cover the cost of an abortion?
A. At this time, military health plans cover abortion only in cases of life endangerment.

Q. Does Medicaid or other state-assisted health insurance cover the cost of an abortion?
A. Medicaid is only required to cover abortion in cases of rape, incest, or life endangerment. However, some states do cover abortion as part of their Medicaid policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

Medicaid is the United States health program for people and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the state and federal governments, and is managed by the states.[1] Among the groups of people served by Medicaid are certain U.S. citizens and resident aliens, including low-income adults and their children, and people with certain disabilities. Poverty alone does not necessarily qualify someone for Medicaid. Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with limited income in the United States.

Immie

 

[MaggieMae]

Crazy.

What part of the federal government doesn't fund abortions anyway are clowns like John McCormack and you not getting? By cutting Planned Parenthood, ironically, they'll be cutting PREGNANCY PREVENTION for low-income women. You want more babies born to women who can't care for them or don't want them and then have even MORE chidren on welfare to continue the cycle?

This is a fucking no-brainer.

A no-brainer? Not if one seeks a greater labor pool so as to pay lower wages. Simple supply and demand issue, isn't it?

Yes, I suppose that's one way to guarantee that corporations will start keeping jobs here and not across the pond where they can find uneducated workers willing to work for peanuts. They don't seem to be interested in any other incentives, for sure.

 

[JWBooth]

You say you want a revolution.....

I absolutely HATE that song and always have.

Thats cool, I am not a big fan of poseur keyboard warriors/anarchists/revolutionaries

 

[Si modo]

It's a war on womeeeeeeeeen!

*Runs hysterically out of room waving hands over head in her best Dem hyperbole imitation*

 

[theHawk]

The Republicans do not hold all the cards
The Democrats do not hold all the cards

A rational person would sit down and spell out the three most important things to save and the three most important things to cut. You sit down and negotiate "I'll give you this if you will give me that"

The TeaTards want to take all the cards and go home

They've done exactly that, and we have learned that the "most important" thing to fund for Dems is Planned Parenthood. Much more important than funding the military.

 

[MaggieMae]

Crazy.

What part of the federal government doesn't fund abortions anyway are clowns like John McCormack and you not getting? By cutting Planned Parenthood, ironically, they'll be cutting PREGNANCY PREVENTION for low-income women. You want more babies born to women who can't care for them or don't want them and then have even MORE chidren on welfare to continue the cycle?

This is a fucking no-brainer.

Almost all county health departments provide family planning and birth control for low income participants. Giving money to planned parenthood to duplicate those services that are provided by state and county governments is a waste of money we don't have. People seem to forget that we are BORROWING a lot of the money we're spending.

Sure. Ever walked into a county welfare office to see what a zoo it is? They hardly offer family "planning." It's more like how-fast-can-I-get-this-lowlife-out-of-my-office. Here's some condoms to hold you over. There may be some states that offer those services separately from all the other applicants for other social programs, but not in my state. It's all under one tent. And ours is one of the better administered ones.

 

[Anachronism]

Thats cool, I am not a big fan of poseur keyboard warriors/anarchists/revolutionaries

That's fine. When I see any I'll give them the message.

Personally I'm a BIG fan of people like your namesake. It's just too bad he couldn't have gotten the job done a bit sooner than he did.

 

[JimH52]

You're the definition of all talk. Gonna get violent from moms basement?

Welcome to the Ignore List.

Well, you ignore lots of people, so that makes you...wait wait....a Tea Bagger! Dogma is the name of their game, you know?

 

[Immanuel]

The Republicans do not hold all the cards
The Democrats do not hold all the cards

A rational person would sit down and spell out the three most important things to save and the three most important things to cut. You sit down and negotiate "I'll give you this if you will give me that"

The TeaTards want to take all the cards and go home

They've done exactly that, and we have learned that the "most important" thing to fund for Dems is Planned Parenthood. Much more important than funding the military.

Are you sure that for some, PP is not the military? For some there is a war against rug rats. For others of us, it starts at the "terrible twos" and for others it does not start until the teen-aged years.

Immie