Wilders banned from Britain. Do you agree?

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    Dutch MP Geert Wilders was recently invited to the UK to show his film, Fitna, to the House of Lords. As some of you may be aware, Fitna is a highly provocative film that links the Koran to terrorism. Mr Wilders describes the Koran as a "fascist book" and has called for it to be banned.

    However, the British Home Office has told him that he will not be allowed to enter the country on security grounds. The peer that invited him, Lord Pearson, has said that he disagrees with the call to ban the book, but that not allowing Mr. Wilders into the country is "appeasing violent Islam".

    BBC NEWS | Politics | Dutch MP banned from entering UK

    Interestingly, the Dutch Government has protested about one of its MPs being banned from Britain, yet at the same time Mr. Wilders faces prosecution by the Dutch Government for inciting hatred.

    Here is a link to the Wiki page about Fitna...

    Fitna (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    ...and below is the film itself. The full film is about 5 minutes longer but the last minutes deal with Dutch issues so for the sake of brevity I've used this shorter version.

    Before you view the film, can I point out 3 things.

    1. Every Muslim that I know is appalled at what violent Islam calls for.
    2. Certain verses of the Koran do appear to be calling Muslims to persecute 'infidels', but there is plenty of inflammatory language in the Old Testament as well.
    3. This film shows Eugene Armstrong being beheaded. It will be clear when this moment is coming. I had to close my eyes, but the audio is still disturbing.

    [youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QcDD6-7AN4U&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QcDD6-7AN4U&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]

    Simple question: Is the banning of Geert Wilders reasonable given that his film was clearly meant to shock, or is it an appalling restriction of freedom in a supposedly democratic country?

    It would be nice if (for a change) people could restrict themselves to reasoned argument rather than just name calling. There is so little on this board that doesn't descend into name calling (right vs left, west vs. east, muslim vs non muslim) by the end of the first page, or even in many cases in the OP. The more it happens, the less I want to visit.

    Sorry - I'm venting. It's a message board so of course you can all say what you like.
     
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    I found the film to be rather silly.

    Most Muslims thought it was more idiotic than inflammatory.

    There was very little demostrations over the film. It was basically a big yawn.

    Wilders just wanted to make a name for himself and make alot of money.

    I think it has backfired on him on both accounts.
     
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    Should he be banned from entering Britain?
     
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    If they are lucky Tar Valon will take them in.

    Huh?
     
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    No he shouldn't be banned. Apparently those countries do not have freedom of speech.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA.

    BTW, Mark Steyn, Canadian author and political commentator has been summoned to appear in front of two Canadian judicial panels for his comments on Islam.

    CANADA&#39;S THOUGHT POLICE - New York Post
     
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    NO! Many so called Muslim scholars preach a heck of a lot worse. Watch Fitna, there is not much untruth about it. Since when can the truth be defamatory?

    Also why was the Ali Larjani, the Iranian Parliament leader not booted from Germany when he speaks? He stated clearly without an room for error that the Holocaust didn't happen and he did it while in Germany! No one cried foul and he was not kicked out.

    Typical where Eurabia is going. Let the Islamist and leftist lunatics say whatever they want and then silence the dissent! Funny the leftist allie themselves with the Islamist, since the Islamist are pretty much against everything the leftist stand for (except for their blind anti-semitism and there devotion to protecting the rights of Muslims and no one else). The lefitst mental midget are basically being used by the Islamist. See in 25 years where Eurabia will be. With immigration from primarily Arab, Muslim North African and Muslim Asia countries and high birth rates of Muslims vs the low birth rates of White Europeans, places like France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Beligium and the UK could have anywhere from 40-55% Muslim minority/majority. Russia to which already has what 25% Muslim minority. France and Spain are almost assured to have a Muslim majority in 25 years!
     
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    It depends on the prevailing political climate at the time. Many countries allow things that other countries find objectionable, and vice versa. Even America.
     
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    tigerbob, what has been the sentiment of people who you know back in England? Do they agree with the UK's stance on this?
     
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    Risk management. The bloke is a shit stirrer so the Brits are perfectly within their rights to refuse to let him enter. It isn't a free speech issue, he can spout off as much as he likes...in the Netherlands.
     

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