Wikileaks reveals WMDs

[CMike]

No, I don't know it. You said it back it up.

 

[RoccoR]

CMike, et al,

Again, you are using data point that was a decade old - even before the invasion.

Okay let's go by the UN.

This is from the New York Times

(COMMENT)

Even back then, they were trying to impose, as a measure of proof, a Western Accounting system on an Arab Dictatorship.

Unaccounted does not mean they have it. Nothing proves that more than the entire ISG (1400 Intelligence Personnel), our best, boots on the ground, 100% access, interrogation teams, with every report and previous suspicious indicator. And they found - what?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[DiveCon]

CMike, et al,

Again, you are using data point that was a decade old - even before the invasion.

Okay let's go by the UN.

This is from the New York Times

(COMMENT)

Even back then, they were trying to impose, as a measure of proof, a Western Accounting system on an Arab Dictatorship.

Unaccounted does not mean they have it. Nothing proves that more than the entire ISG (1400 Intelligence Personnel), our best, boots on the ground, 100% access, interrogation teams, with every report and previous suspicious indicator. And they found - what?

Most Respectfully,
R

the problem you guys have is you think the UN "Inspectors" were their looking for WMD
they WEREN'T
they were there to DOCUMENT that it was destroyed
and Saddam played them like the keystone cops
Saddam didnt provide the access for them to actually do their job

 

[westwall]

Westwall tells lies because he knows the truth and attempst to cover his intellectual dishonesty in accusations he can't support.

The WMDs did not exist when we invaded Iraq, or we would have found them. Rove said Bush would never have invaded Iraq otherwise. If the WMDs had been there, the administration would have told us.

Thus . . . they did not exist.

The fringers and wing nuts and the lunatics crack me up. The scary thing is that folks CMike ande Westwall and CrusaderFrank and conhog and bigrebnc and Jack Fate walk among us as if they are normal. That is scarier than halloween.

looneytoons!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thanks, Westwall, in your affirmative silence, giving up the discussion. Thus endeth the lesson.

 

[Si modo]

Thanks, Westwall, in your affirmative silence, giving up the discussion. Thus endeth the lesson.

Idiot.

 

[westwall]

Thanks, Westwall, in your affirmative silence, giving up the discussion. Thus endeth the lesson.

No, when the person you are supposedly discussing things with demonstrates intellectual dishonesty there is no point. Enjoy talking to yourself in the mirror.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I agree. Your intellectual dishonesty disqualifies your argument. No WMDs as warranted by Bush for going to war were ever discovered. I guarantee you that your type of dissimulation is used at high school and university to discount the need for war.

You serve a useful purpose in that sense.

 

[CMike]

CMike, et al,

Again, you are using data point that was a decade old - even before the invasion.

Okay let's go by the UN.

This is from the New York Times

(COMMENT)

Even back then, they were trying to impose, as a measure of proof, a Western Accounting system on an Arab Dictatorship.

Unaccounted does not mean they have it. Nothing proves that more than the entire ISG (1400 Intelligence Personnel), our best, boots on the ground, 100% access, interrogation teams, with every report and previous suspicious indicator. And they found - what?

Most Respectfully,
R

I appreciate your civility.

A western accounting system?

Example 300 gallons of mustard gas are missing. Where is it? Either they know or they don't know.

Hussein was playing a shell game with inspectors for a long time.

Let's say you committed a murder with a gun. You have months before the police close in on you, and you know that the police are closing in on you.

Would you try and dispose of the gun before you were caught? If the police didn't find your gun does that mean that the gun never existed?

This is very similar to what happened with Hussein. He had many months to dispose of his WMD. Just because they the majority weren't fund doesn't mean it never existed.

In fact, it was Hussein's responsibilty to document that they destroyed, it wasn't the inspectors' responsibilty to find them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

CMike, you are looking in the mirror when you suggest incivility in this thread. Be polite, get it in return.

The administration did not admit that WMDs, the basis for invasion, had been found. No other evidence means anything. Rove said the president would not have invaded if he had know the WMDs were not there.

 

[CMike]

Bush Admits WMD "Main Reason" for Iraq; Press Ignores Admission Such a strange brain of Bush.

This is from YOUR link.


QUESTION: A quick follow-up. A lot of the consequences you mention for pulling out seem like maybe they never would have been there if we hadn't gone in. How do you square all of that?

BUSH: I square it because imagine a world in which you had a Saddam Hussein who had the capacity to make a weapon of mass destruction, who was paying suiciders to kill innocent life, who would -- who had relations with Zarqawi. Imagine what the world would be like with him in power. The idea is to try to help change the Middle East.

Now, look, I -- part of the reason we went into Iraq: was -- the main reason we went into Iraq: at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.

But I also talked about the human suffering in Iraq, and I also talked the need to advance a freedom agenda. And so my question -- my answer to your question is, is that imagine a world in which Saddam Hussein was there, stirring up even more trouble in a part of a world that had so much resentment and so much hatred that people came and killed 3,000 of our citizens.

You know, I've heard this theory about, you know, everything was just fine until we arrived and, you know, kind of -- the "stir up the hornet's nest" theory. It just doesn't hold water as far as I'm concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. They were --

QUESTION: What did Iraq: have to do with that?

BUSH: What did Iraq: have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody's ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq: was a -- Iraq: -- the lesson of September the 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken.

Nobody's ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case. And one way to defeat that -- you know, defeat resentment, is with hope. And the best way to do hope is through a form of government.

Now, I said going into Iraq: we got to take these threats seriously before they fully materialized. I saw a threat. I fully believe it was the right decision to remove Saddam Hussein, and I fully believe the world was better off without him. Now, the question is, how do we succeed in Iraq? And you don't succeed by leaving before the mission is complete, like some in this political process are suggesting.
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[CMike]

This is from the original post.

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com


In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.

Three months later, in northern Iraq, U.S. scouts went to
look in on a “chemical weapons” complex. “One of the bunkers has been tampered with,” they write. “The integrity of the seal [around the complex] appears intact, but it seems someone is interesting in trying to get into the bunkers.”


Meanwhile, the second battle of Fallujah was raging in Anbar province. In the southeastern corner of the city, American forces came across a “house with a chemical lab … substances found are similar to ones (in lesser quantities located a previous chemical lab.” The following day, there’s a call in another part of the city for explosive experts to dispose of a “chemical cache.”


Nearly three years later, American troops were still finding WMD in the region. An armored Buffalo vehicle unearthed a cache of artillery shells “that was covered by sacks and leaves under an Iraqi Community Watch checkpoint. “The 155mm rounds are filled with an unknown liquid, and several of which are leaking a black tar-like substance.” Initial tests were inconclusive. But later, “the rounds tested positive for mustard.”

...

But even late in the war, WMDs were still being unearthed. In the summer of 2008, according to one WikiLeaked report, American troops found at least 10 rounds that tested positive for chemical agents. “These rounds were most likely left over from the [Saddam]-era regime. Based on location, these rounds may be an AQI [Al Qaeda in Iraq] cache. However, the rounds were all total disrepair and did not appear to have been moved for a long time.”


...That same month, then “chemical weapons specialists” were apprehended in Balad. These “foreigners” were there specifically “to support the chemical weapons operations.” The following month, an intelligence report refers to a “chemical weapons expert” that “provided assistance with the gas weapons.” What happened to that specialist, the WikiLeaked document doesn’t say.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bush never admitted that WMDs, the reason for the invasion, were ever found. Rove has stated the president would not have invaded Iraq if he had known that. That is the kernel of the problem, CMike.

 

[CMike]

FOXNews.com - U.S. Officials 'Confident' of Weapons Lab Find - U.S. & World


U.S. Officials 'Confident' of Weapons Lab Find
Tuesday, May 06, 2003

A vehicle found by Kurdish fighters last week in the northern Iraq city of Irbil (search) may be a mobile weapons laboratory, U.S. officials said.

Senior defense officials told Fox News they are "confident" the vehicle was used to manufacture biological or chemical weapons agents.

The officials said the mobile biological weapons lab has been moved to the Baghdad International Airport, where tests on its contents continue.

The vehicle contained fermenting tanks and dryers, such as those used to make the powder form of anthrax (search). Initial tests on the interior of the vehicle, which appeared to have been thoroughly cleaned, turned up negative results, but officials said tests were ongoing.

Officials said the equipment inside the trailer unit was scrubbed clean with a powerful, caustic cleaning agent, and some of the equipment had recently been painted. Nonetheless, the truck and its contents are still being swabbed for any trace at all of bioagents, and the samples obtained thus far have been sent to a variety of labs for analysis.

 

[CMike]

Bush never admitted that WMDs, the reason for the invasion, were ever found. Rove has stated the president would not have invaded Iraq if he had known that. That is the kernel of the problem, CMike.

Are you truely not capable of comprehending english?

 

[L.K.Eder]

FOXNews.com - U.S. Officials 'Confident' of Weapons Lab Find - U.S. & World


U.S. Officials 'Confident' of Weapons Lab Find
Tuesday, May 06, 2003

A vehicle found by Kurdish fighters last week in the northern Iraq city of Irbil (search) may be a mobile weapons laboratory, U.S. officials said.

Senior defense officials told Fox News they are "confident" the vehicle was used to manufacture biological or chemical weapons agents.

The officials said the mobile biological weapons lab has been moved to the Baghdad International Airport, where tests on its contents continue.

The vehicle contained fermenting tanks and dryers, such as those used to make the powder form of anthrax (search). Initial tests on the interior of the vehicle, which appeared to have been thoroughly cleaned, turned up negative results, but officials said tests were ongoing.

Officials said the equipment inside the trailer unit was scrubbed clean with a powerful, caustic cleaning agent, and some of the equipment had recently been painted. Nonetheless, the truck and its contents are still being swabbed for any trace at all of bioagents, and the samples obtained thus far have been sent to a variety of labs for analysis.

they also found this wadi. they are confident that it was used as an ICBM launch site. but it was scrubbed clean of the evidence.
tests are still ongoing.
rumsfeld is quoted as saying: "just yesterday, north, west, south, east and smack in the middle of this wadi there were anthrax, yellowcake and saddam's mom knitting missiles. i swear."

 

[westwall]

Bush never admitted that WMDs, the reason for the invasion, were ever found. Rove has stated the president would not have invaded Iraq if he had known that. That is the kernel of the problem, CMike.

Are you truely not capable of comprehending english?

No, JS is intellectually dishonest. Don't waste your time. Facts have no bearing on JS's "belief system".

 

[CMike]

Bush never admitted that WMDs, the reason for the invasion, were ever found. Rove has stated the president would not have invaded Iraq if he had known that. That is the kernel of the problem, CMike.

Are you truely not capable of comprehending english?

No, JS is intellectually dishonest. Don't waste your time. Facts have no bearing on JS's "believe system".

I noticed. I don't think he realizes that he makes himself and his arguement look really stupid.

 

[Bonano]

The US invaded Iraq because they knew they would never get Osama bin Laden, he's waaayyyy too crafty for them.

 

[ginscpy]

Recent study showing volunteer military is filled by a lot of risk-takers /loose cannons

The draft is a cross-section of society

3 freaking years at most................