Why the Right HATES Healthcare

[driveby]

You poor widdle brainwashed booby.

Government already funds 50% of health care - it has become more corrupt as Government interference has increased. It they could get rid of fraud - why haven't they done so already? Fraud is already against the law.

Government choosing winners and losers, with the former being funneled taxpayer money, always results in a huge moral hazard. ObamaCare is just more gasoline on a conflagration of Big Government Cronyism.

Condescending to me. That's original.

Here's the problem with your post: What you call "Fraud;" People unduly enriching themselves at the expense of others; Is done out in the open in the private market. It's not called "Fraud" there, it's simply called "Profits."

Profits are evil, the gubment confiscating as much of our hard earned money as possible is righteous ! .........

 

[Truthmatters]

check the ninja edit ...

The theory is that costs will go down by ending abusive profiteering, and by getting more people seen by a doctor when they're just a little sick vs. extremely sick.

A $10 Z-Pack for a URI or Bronchitis is a lot cheaper than a week in the hospital for Pneumonia. But right now, the uninsured "Wait it out" on the URI for fear of getting a bill they can't handle, and show up in the E.R. very, very ill and fearing for their life, 3 weeks later.

It does, however, shift some more of this spending toward Government expenses vs. private expenses. Some people are against that, regardless of whether or not it's in their best interests. Are you such a person?

In other words, do you believe it won't work, or do you object even if it does?

It won't work, the dems know this but don't care. It's a tax increase disguised as healthcare. You are naive if you think Obama, Pelosi, Reid etc.... care if people have health insurance or not.

What well you say to us when it does work?

 

[Samson]

The US has the greatest longevity in the world.

And the best healthcare.

.)

Bullshit!

Everyone knows that Cuba spends the least/ capita, so Cuba has the best healthcare.

Get with the program, PC, or you might need to be "re-educated."

 

[Harry Dresden]

I have to laugh at anyone who thinKs the Govt can run anything cheaply or well. What a joke.

Every industrialized nation that is spending less on healthcare than we are has more government involvement in their healthcare.

and they are not having problems keeping them afloat?....NO 1 France is starting to have problems financing theirs.....and they only have 50-60 million to cover in a much smaller area....

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK, so address it again. I sound like a broken fuckin' record here, why not you too? What is your answer to us spending double the other guys, but living shorter lives?

check the ninja edit ...

The theory is that costs will go down by ending abusive profiteering, and by getting more people seen by a doctor when they're just a little sick vs. extremely sick.

A $10 Z-Pack for a URI or Bronchitis is a lot cheaper than a week in the hospital for Pneumonia. But right now, the uninsured "Wait it out" on the URI for fear of getting a bill they can't handle, and show up in the E.R. very, very ill and fearing for their life, 3 weeks later.

It does, however, shift some more of this spending toward Government expenses vs. private expenses. Some people are against that, regardless of whether or not it's in their best interests. Are you such a person?

In other words, do you believe it won't work, or do you object even if it does?

What a compendium of misinformation you are! Where is this "abusive profiteering" of which you speak?

Now, once I shoot this misstatement out of the water, will this send you back to the library to actually learn something before you bloviate?

Here come your marching orders:

" Health insurance profits of nearly $13 billion make up 0.6 percent of that. CEO compensation is a mere 0.005 percent of total spending."
FactCheck.org: Pushing for a Public Plan

 

[Cuyo]

You poor widdle brainwashed booby.

Government already funds 50% of health care - it has become more corrupt as Government interference has increased. It they could get rid of fraud - why haven't they done so already? Fraud is already against the law.

Government choosing winners and losers, with the former being funneled taxpayer money, always results in a huge moral hazard. ObamaCare is just more gasoline on a conflagration of Big Government Cronyism.

Condescending to me. That's original.

Here's the problem with your post: What you call "Fraud;" People unduly enriching themselves at the expense of others; Is done out in the open in the private market. It's not called "Fraud" there, it's simply called "Profits."

Profits are evil, the gubment confiscating as much of our hard earned money as possible is righteous ! .........

Profits that depend upon denying care to those who need it on technicalities is evil. How would you like to privatize the police? When you need police assistance you get a bill. Can you imagine? Police insurance companies would crop up, scare tactics to convince you that you need police insurance, and insurance companies carefully hiding stipulations in the contract so they don't have to pay the claim when your house gets broken into.

Seems outrageous when I put it like that, eh?

 

[Modbert]

Oh, good grief. There is a fucking forum for healthcare.


Will this healthcare improve people's ability to file shit in the right place?

Damnation, you are an ass.

And I'm sure you're posting this in all the right wing health care threads, right?

 

[Cuyo]

check the ninja edit ...

The theory is that costs will go down by ending abusive profiteering, and by getting more people seen by a doctor when they're just a little sick vs. extremely sick.

A $10 Z-Pack for a URI or Bronchitis is a lot cheaper than a week in the hospital for Pneumonia. But right now, the uninsured "Wait it out" on the URI for fear of getting a bill they can't handle, and show up in the E.R. very, very ill and fearing for their life, 3 weeks later.

It does, however, shift some more of this spending toward Government expenses vs. private expenses. Some people are against that, regardless of whether or not it's in their best interests. Are you such a person?

In other words, do you believe it won't work, or do you object even if it does?

What a compendium of misinformation you are! Where is this "abusive profiteering" of which you speak?

Now, once I shoot this misstatement out of the water, will this send you back to the library to actually learn something before you bloviate?

Here come your marching orders:

" Health insurance profits of nearly $13 billion make up 0.6 percent of that. CEO compensation is a mere 0.005 percent of total spending."
FactCheck.org: Pushing for a Public Plan

PC: Me, your avatar, baby-making. That's about all I have to say to you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The US has the greatest longevity in the world.

And the best healthcare.

.)

Bullshit!

Everyone knows that Cuba spends the least/ capita, so Cuba has the best healthcare.

Get with the program, PC, or you might need to be "re-educated."

Of course, I meant OUTSIDE of the People's Utopia of Cuba!

 

[driveby]

The theory is that costs will go down by ending abusive profiteering, and by getting more people seen by a doctor when they're just a little sick vs. extremely sick.

A $10 Z-Pack for a URI or Bronchitis is a lot cheaper than a week in the hospital for Pneumonia. But right now, the uninsured "Wait it out" on the URI for fear of getting a bill they can't handle, and show up in the E.R. very, very ill and fearing for their life, 3 weeks later.

It does, however, shift some more of this spending toward Government expenses vs. private expenses. Some people are against that, regardless of whether or not it's in their best interests. Are you such a person?

In other words, do you believe it won't work, or do you object even if it does?

It won't work, the dems know this but don't care. It's a tax increase disguised as healthcare. You are naive if you think Obama, Pelosi, Reid etc.... care if people have health insurance or not.

What well you say to us when it does work?

The problem won't be me having to admit it's working. You and the state controlled media won't admit it's a failure when it falls on its face. It's a failure right out of the gate having to pay for it four years in advance. The stimulus is a major failure also, but the koolaid drinkers tout it as a success.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's been addressed ad nauseum with the other previously mentioned Rhodes Scholar liberals, rookie ......

OK, so address it again. I sound like a broken fuckin' record here, why not you too? What is your answer to us spending double the other guys, but living shorter lives?

The US has the greatest longevity in the world.

And the best healthcare.

The efficacy of our healthcare system cannot be equated to homicides and auto accedident deaths, and...

"When you adjust for these “fatal injury” rates, U.S. life expectancy is actually higher than in nearly every other industrialized nation.
United States Health Care ranking | Independence Institute: Patient Power


"Despite the poor showing on the WHO study, the low longevity ranking of the United States is not likely a result of a poorly functioning health care system, according to researchers with the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). On the contrary, the United States functions well compared to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries in terms of death avoidance."
http://www.nber.org/digest/dec09/w15213.html

So, like so many easily led lefty's, for you "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." (Pope.)

I wonder why anyone might take greater confidence in a business 'think' tank then in one focused solely on the worlds health?

 

[Samson]

The US has the greatest longevity in the world.

And the best healthcare.

.)

Bullshit!

Everyone knows that Cuba spends the least/ capita, so Cuba has the best healthcare.

Get with the program, PC, or you might need to be "re-educated."

Of course, I meant OUTSIDE of the People's Utopia of Cuba!

That's better.

 

[Cuyo]

The problem won't be me having to admit it's working. You and the state controlled media won't admit it's a failure when it falls on its face. It's a failure right out of the gate having to pay for it four years in advance. The stimulus is a major failure also, but the koolaid drinkers tout it as a success.

THIS IS THE $64,000.00 QUESTION:

In a hypothetical world where we KNOW it will work, 100% certainty. Do you approve of it then, or do you still not want it based on principles of not wanting the government involved.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

ROFLMNAO... Man ya can't hide idiocy... can ya kids?

I mean it's like she's trying to claim that 'the insurance company is PUNISHING a a caner victim... and not simply maintianing heir fudiciary responsibility to the pool of those presently insured... from having the available financial resources of that pool subjected to higher actuarial risks, than the pool was designed to meet.

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

Only where that is the scope of the policy to which you agreed; when you accepted that insurance. The simple fact is that had you opted to pay for a policy with larger limits of coverage, you'd be entitled to the larger caps.

DUMBASS!

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

Where's this rule which says that because ya just graduated college ya have to work for a small company that does not offer health insurance?

And naturally, when you fail to cite this 'rule' you'll concede TO ME... AGAIN: that you're an imbecile.

FTR: My youngest son is on our healthcare policy... right now. 20 years old...

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

There are DOZENS of small business insurance pools available to small businesses all over these united States... RIGHT NOW. And they've ALWAYS been available... the implication that they're not available is a damn lie...

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

There is not a single person in these United States who 'has to defer preventive care, which may detect serious problems...' PERIOD.

This is the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT that has been used at EVERY inch of the Left's drive to take over the US government through Socialized Medicine... HMO's are a Leftist creation... OKA: Health MAINTENANCE ORGANIZATIONS...

The argument for which was "You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage ..."

And that was in the 1970s... nearly TWO GENERATIONS back.

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

The Insurance companies only drop you when you stop paying your premium or exceed your policy limits...

DUMBASS!

.
.
.
.

Understand kids, the fallacy here is that with Socialised medicine, you're all going to have Platinum, UNLIMITED COVERAGE...


That's not true, because it's not possible... the issue here is not your healthcare... The issue is LEFTIST POWER.

What you need to understand is that once they HAVE that power; they don't NEED you anymore... and you can rest assured that they don't give a red rat's ass about YOU; your health of the quality of volume of care you receive towards tending the care of such.

The simple fact is that the Resources are finite and the etheral needs of "The People" are INFINITE... you non-idiots will see the problem that represents without need for further comment; and will naturally vote accordingly in November.

 

[sole survivor]

OP is anecdotal whining BS. Why does this clown think we want to read the mechinations of his putrid thought process.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The theory is that costs will go down by ending abusive profiteering, and by getting more people seen by a doctor when they're just a little sick vs. extremely sick.

A $10 Z-Pack for a URI or Bronchitis is a lot cheaper than a week in the hospital for Pneumonia. But right now, the uninsured "Wait it out" on the URI for fear of getting a bill they can't handle, and show up in the E.R. very, very ill and fearing for their life, 3 weeks later.

It does, however, shift some more of this spending toward Government expenses vs. private expenses. Some people are against that, regardless of whether or not it's in their best interests. Are you such a person?

In other words, do you believe it won't work, or do you object even if it does?

What a compendium of misinformation you are! Where is this "abusive profiteering" of which you speak?

Now, once I shoot this misstatement out of the water, will this send you back to the library to actually learn something before you bloviate?

Here come your marching orders:

" Health insurance profits of nearly $13 billion make up 0.6 percent of that. CEO compensation is a mere 0.005 percent of total spending."
FactCheck.org: Pushing for a Public Plan

PC: Me, your avatar, baby-making. That's about all I have to say to you.

Have no fear: I’m here to help you fulfill your comic potential

Of course you have no response: you also have no knowledge.

And, when confronted with facts you rely on the typical lib response: none.

Thanks: I get that warm, fuzzy feeling that only cruelty to the stupid can provide.

 

[Cuyo]

What a compendium of misinformation you are! Where is this "abusive profiteering" of which you speak?

Now, once I shoot this misstatement out of the water, will this send you back to the library to actually learn something before you bloviate?

Here come your marching orders:

" Health insurance profits of nearly $13 billion make up 0.6 percent of that. CEO compensation is a mere 0.005 percent of total spending."
FactCheck.org: Pushing for a Public Plan

PC: Me, your avatar, baby-making. That's about all I have to say to you.

Have no fear: I’m here to help you fulfill your comic potential

Of course you have no response: you also have no knowledge.

And, when confronted with facts you rely on the typical lib response: none.

Thanks: I get that warm, fuzzy feeling that only cruelty to the stupid can provide.

Babies, por favor.

But if she talked anything like you, I'd probably have to duct tape her mouth.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I have to laugh at anyone who thinKs the Govt can run anything cheaply or well. What a joke.

Every industrialized nation that is spending less on healthcare than we are has more government involvement in their healthcare.

No shit ass clown...it called government subsidization...how much of my fucking hard earned money do YOU want to steal from me today!!!!????

 

[driveby]

The problem won't be me having to admit it's working. You and the state controlled media won't admit it's a failure when it falls on its face. It's a failure right out of the gate having to pay for it four years in advance. The stimulus is a major failure also, but the koolaid drinkers tout it as a success.

THIS IS THE $64,000.00 QUESTION:

In a hypothetical world where we KNOW it will work, 100% certainty. Do you approve of it then, or do you still not want it based on principles of not wanting the government involved.

Well, theoretical science can prove that an elephant can hang from a cliff with his tail tied to a daisy and global warming. The problem is, leftists live in the theoretical world way too much. I wouldn't mind some marginal gubment involvement if it could really lower costs and not ration care, but that defies all common sense which tells me they are willfully lying to us.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Nobody spends HALF per capita what we spend; Yet we're lagging behind others life expectancy and overall health. But we're #1 in medical-related bankruptcy!

This is one of those things "WE" collectively can do cheaper and better than the profiteers. Same like military, interstate highways, et al.

Correction: A few do spend Half, but barely.

and i have posted this every time someone says what your saying....and the only reply i get is just another dance around the question or its ignored....maybe you will be different.....what does a Health Care System have to do with lifespan?.....in our country a HELL of a lot of people dont take care of them selves properly.....some with Ins. dont go for their regular checkups.....ever hear some guys say they will NEVER get a Colonoscopy..."no ones going to shove anything up my ass".....basically im saying you can have the best fucking Health Care on the planet.....if you dont take care of yourself or dont go for your regular checkups.....it is not going to make you live longer....it will if you use it.....im willing to bet it wont change nothing....