Why the Current Liberal Dominated Political System is About to Crash

[daveman]

I've never personally encountered what you describe.

Your limited world-view is irrelevant.

It could happen for sure, but when I have seen "people who have objected to Obama's policies (with) clear, cogent reasons for doing so, backed up with facts and logic", which in itself is rare, it's irrefutable.

24% Believe Obama Opponents Driven By Racism - Rasmussen Reports?

According To Oprah If You Oppose Obama?s Policies You?re A Racist Who Should Maybe Just Die | The Lonely Conservative

A Modern Timeline of Liberals Claiming That Opposition to Obama = Racism - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Virginia state senator: Opposition to Obama 'all about race' - National Elections | Examiner.com

Facts and logic are presented to you all the time. That you refuse to acknowledge them in no way changes that reality.

My worldview is what I've observed and learned. It's the basis for my beliefs. It doesn't come prepackaged by others.


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The way you repeat talking points, I kinda doubt that.

 

[daveman]

Of course regulations have spiked...remember Sep 2008?

Yeah. Do you want to prove that all those regulations stem from that, or are intended to prevent another occurrence?

 

[Indeependent]

Your limited world-view is irrelevant.

24% Believe Obama Opponents Driven By Racism - Rasmussen Reports?

According To Oprah If You Oppose Obama?s Policies You?re A Racist Who Should Maybe Just Die | The Lonely Conservative

A Modern Timeline of Liberals Claiming That Opposition to Obama = Racism - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Virginia state senator: Opposition to Obama 'all about race' - National Elections | Examiner.com

Facts and logic are presented to you all the time. That you refuse to acknowledge them in no way changes that reality.

My worldview is what I've observed and learned. It's the basis for my beliefs. It doesn't come prepackaged by others.


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The way you repeat talking points, I kinda doubt that.

You are quoting polls to substantiate facts.

 

[PMZ]

That particular metric is the result of liberal policies saddling business with burdensome regulations, giving many with no choice but to relocate, scale back, or shut down entirely.

The government needs to stay out of the way of business, outside of a few basic rules.

That's the only way government can create long-term growth.

I see no evidence of Obama adding "burdensome regulations". Do you have a bunch of examples?

You should know better than to ask.

Government report finds regulations have spiked under Obama | TheHill

The number of regulations from Washington has spiked since President Obama took office, according to a new government report.

The Obama administration published more “major” final rules in its first term than the George W. Bush administration did in its second, according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS).

At the same time, the Obama White House’s review period for pending regulations was longer in 2012 than any point going back to at least to 1994, according to the report from the CRS, Congress’s research arm.

From 2009 through last year, there were more than 13,000 final rules published in the Federal Register, while fewer than 12,400 were finalized from 2005-2008, the report found. That’s an increase of nearly five percent.​

Under Obama, 11,327 Pages of Federal Regulations Added | CNS News

Over the past three years, the bound edition of the Code of Federal Regulations has increased by 11,327 pages – a 7.4 percent increase from Jan. 1, 2009 to Dec. 31, 2011. In 2009, the increase in the number of pages was the most over the last decade – 3.4 percent or 5,359 pages.

Over the past decade, the federal government has issued almost 38,000 new final rules, according to the draft of the 2011 annual report to Congress on federal regulations by the Office of Management and Budget. That brought the total at the end of 2011 to 169,301 pages.

That is more than double the number of pages needed to publish the regulations back in 1975 when the bound edition consisted of 71,244 pages.
Randy Johnson, senior vice president of labor, immigration and employee benefits at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, distributed a handout of a Congressional Research Service analysis of a 2008 study commissioned by the Small Business Administration that estimated the annual compliance price for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion that year.

Seventy percent of the regulations were economic, accounting for $1.236 trillion of the annual cost. The other regulations were, in order of cost, environment regulations ($281 billion), tax compliance ($160 billion) and occupational safety and health and homeland security ($75 billion).

“I think these kinds of figures, if you put yourself in the place of a business person you’ll find them fairly mindboggling,” Johnson said.

Economists with the Chamber also analyzed the OBM’s report on the study, calculating that if every U.S. household paid an equal share of the federal regulatory burden, it would mean a $15,586 tab for each household in 2008.

Ronald Bird, economist with the USCC, told CNSNews.com that the 7.4 percent increase in pages of regulations during the first three years of the Obama administration is higher than the increase over the first three years of the George W. Bush administration (2001, 2002, and 2003) when the publication grew by 4.4 percent.​

Morning Bell: Obama's New Regulations Cost Billions | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

In our “Red Tape Rising: Obama-Era Regulation at the Three Year Mark” report, James Gattuso and Diane Katz detail how the Obama Administration has imposed new regulations costing $46 billion annually, with nearly $11 billion more in one-time implementation costs. That is about five times the cost of regulations imposed during the first three years of President George W. Bush’s administration, but the burden is even higher. The red tape of the past three years helps explain why the economic recovery has been so slow and job creation so anemic.

Don’t take our word for it, but those of President Obama himself. In January 2011, he said that “rules have gotten out of balance” and “have a chilling effect on growth and jobs.” And he’s right. Where the President breaks with reality is his pledge for a get-tough policy on overregulation and a comprehensive review of regulations imposed by Washington. In fact, to hear President Obama tell the story, you would think he’s a champion of slashing red tape and that his Administration has set its sights on slashing overregulation.

Over just the last year, the Obama Administration has added 32 regulations that together impose more than $10 billion in annual costs and $6.6 billion in one-time implementation costs. Those regulations include mandates covering a broad range of activities and products, ranging from refrigerators and freezers to clothes driers to air conditioners, limits on automotive emissions, employer requirements for posting federal labor rules, product labeling, health plan eligibility under Obamacare, and higher minimum wages for foreign workers. The most expensive regulation came from the Environmental Protection Agency, which added five major rules at a cost of more than $4 billion annually.​

I think that your response is almost as silly a response as counting the number of pages in the ACA bill.

All competitors in American markets play on the same level field.

Which of those areas that you mentioned would America stand for unregulating?


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[M14 Shooter]

Socialism is a well defined English word. You either understand and accept what it means or not.

Yes.... and you have demonstrated that you do not.

I guess that you haven't found a dictionary yet.

Nothing here changes the fact that you have deomonstrated your ignorance of the meaning of the term, under the definition of any of its legitimate incarnations, as proven by the fact you list "post offices and post roads" as an example of socialism having been introduced as part of the American economic system by Ben Franklin.

You may not like that fact, but a fact it remains.

 

[Indeependent]

Yes.... and you have demonstrated that you do not.

I guess that you haven't found a dictionary yet.

Nothing here changes the fact that you have deomonstrated your ignorance of the meaning of the term, under the definition of any of its legitimate incarnations, as proven by the fact you list "post offices and post roads" as an example of socialism having been introduced as part of the American economic system by Ben Franklin.

You may not like that fact, but a fact it remains.

A post SO good it had to be posted TWICE!

 

[M14 Shooter]

I guess that you haven't found a dictionary yet.

Nothing here changes the fact that you have deomonstrated your ignorance of the meaning of the term, under the definition of any of its legitimate incarnations, as proven by the fact you list "post offices and post roads" as an example of socialism having been introduced as part of the American economic system by Ben Franklin.

You may not like that fact, but a fact it remains.

A post SO good it had to be posted TWICE!

Yeah... not sure how that happened, II thought I edited my original post.

 

[Indeependent]

Nothing here changes the fact that you have deomonstrated your ignorance of the meaning of the term, under the definition of any of its legitimate incarnations, as proven by the fact you list "post offices and post roads" as an example of socialism having been introduced as part of the American economic system by Ben Franklin.

You may not like that fact, but a fact it remains.

A post SO good it had to be posted TWICE!

Yeah... not sure how that happened, II thought I edited my original post.

My iPad does that all the time.

 

[PMZ]

Yes.... and you have demonstrated that you do not.

I guess that you haven't found a dictionary yet.

Nothing here changes the fact that you have deomonstrated your ignorance of the meaning of the term, under the definition of any of its legitimate incarnations, as proven by the fact you list "post offices and post roads" as an example of socialism having been introduced as part of the American economic system by Ben Franklin.

You may not like that fact, but a fact it remains.

I am a slave to dictionaries for word meaning. You are a slave to conservative media for the same. Propaganda.

I'm not going to change my source. I suggest that you consider changing yours.

 

[daveman]

My worldview is what I've observed and learned. It's the basis for my beliefs. It doesn't come prepackaged by others.


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The way you repeat talking points, I kinda doubt that.

You are quoting polls to substantiate facts.

No, I quoted ONE poll. I also quoted multiple liberals substantiating my claim. Did you notice those?

 

[daveman]

I see no evidence of Obama adding "burdensome regulations". Do you have a bunch of examples?

You should know better than to ask.

Government report finds regulations have spiked under Obama | TheHill

The number of regulations from Washington has spiked since President Obama took office, according to a new government report.

The Obama administration published more “major” final rules in its first term than the George W. Bush administration did in its second, according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS).

At the same time, the Obama White House’s review period for pending regulations was longer in 2012 than any point going back to at least to 1994, according to the report from the CRS, Congress’s research arm.

From 2009 through last year, there were more than 13,000 final rules published in the Federal Register, while fewer than 12,400 were finalized from 2005-2008, the report found. That’s an increase of nearly five percent.​

Under Obama, 11,327 Pages of Federal Regulations Added | CNS News

Over the past three years, the bound edition of the Code of Federal Regulations has increased by 11,327 pages – a 7.4 percent increase from Jan. 1, 2009 to Dec. 31, 2011. In 2009, the increase in the number of pages was the most over the last decade – 3.4 percent or 5,359 pages.

Over the past decade, the federal government has issued almost 38,000 new final rules, according to the draft of the 2011 annual report to Congress on federal regulations by the Office of Management and Budget. That brought the total at the end of 2011 to 169,301 pages.

That is more than double the number of pages needed to publish the regulations back in 1975 when the bound edition consisted of 71,244 pages.
Randy Johnson, senior vice president of labor, immigration and employee benefits at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, distributed a handout of a Congressional Research Service analysis of a 2008 study commissioned by the Small Business Administration that estimated the annual compliance price for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion that year.

Seventy percent of the regulations were economic, accounting for $1.236 trillion of the annual cost. The other regulations were, in order of cost, environment regulations ($281 billion), tax compliance ($160 billion) and occupational safety and health and homeland security ($75 billion).

“I think these kinds of figures, if you put yourself in the place of a business person you’ll find them fairly mindboggling,” Johnson said.

Economists with the Chamber also analyzed the OBM’s report on the study, calculating that if every U.S. household paid an equal share of the federal regulatory burden, it would mean a $15,586 tab for each household in 2008.

Ronald Bird, economist with the USCC, told CNSNews.com that the 7.4 percent increase in pages of regulations during the first three years of the Obama administration is higher than the increase over the first three years of the George W. Bush administration (2001, 2002, and 2003) when the publication grew by 4.4 percent.​

Morning Bell: Obama's New Regulations Cost Billions | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

In our “Red Tape Rising: Obama-Era Regulation at the Three Year Mark” report, James Gattuso and Diane Katz detail how the Obama Administration has imposed new regulations costing $46 billion annually, with nearly $11 billion more in one-time implementation costs. That is about five times the cost of regulations imposed during the first three years of President George W. Bush’s administration, but the burden is even higher. The red tape of the past three years helps explain why the economic recovery has been so slow and job creation so anemic.

Don’t take our word for it, but those of President Obama himself. In January 2011, he said that “rules have gotten out of balance” and “have a chilling effect on growth and jobs.” And he’s right. Where the President breaks with reality is his pledge for a get-tough policy on overregulation and a comprehensive review of regulations imposed by Washington. In fact, to hear President Obama tell the story, you would think he’s a champion of slashing red tape and that his Administration has set its sights on slashing overregulation.

Over just the last year, the Obama Administration has added 32 regulations that together impose more than $10 billion in annual costs and $6.6 billion in one-time implementation costs. Those regulations include mandates covering a broad range of activities and products, ranging from refrigerators and freezers to clothes driers to air conditioners, limits on automotive emissions, employer requirements for posting federal labor rules, product labeling, health plan eligibility under Obamacare, and higher minimum wages for foreign workers. The most expensive regulation came from the Environmental Protection Agency, which added five major rules at a cost of more than $4 billion annually.​

I think that your response is almost as silly a response as counting the number of pages in the ACA bill.

All competitors in American markets play on the same level field.

Which of those areas that you mentioned would America stand for unregulating?


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You really need to stop changing the subject when you can't articulate a response.

The regulations passed under the Obama Administration cost industry billions of dollars to follow.

This is undeniably burdensome.

And for every dollar a business has to spend following the rules, that's one dollar less that he has to spend on payroll.

Obama's policies have put people out of work.

This, too, is undeniable.

 

[jon_berzerk]

You should know better than to ask.

Government report finds regulations have spiked under Obama | TheHill

The number of regulations from Washington has spiked since President Obama took office, according to a new government report.

The Obama administration published more “major” final rules in its first term than the George W. Bush administration did in its second, according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS).

At the same time, the Obama White House’s review period for pending regulations was longer in 2012 than any point going back to at least to 1994, according to the report from the CRS, Congress’s research arm.

From 2009 through last year, there were more than 13,000 final rules published in the Federal Register, while fewer than 12,400 were finalized from 2005-2008, the report found. That’s an increase of nearly five percent.​

Under Obama, 11,327 Pages of Federal Regulations Added | CNS News

Over the past three years, the bound edition of the Code of Federal Regulations has increased by 11,327 pages – a 7.4 percent increase from Jan. 1, 2009 to Dec. 31, 2011. In 2009, the increase in the number of pages was the most over the last decade – 3.4 percent or 5,359 pages.

Over the past decade, the federal government has issued almost 38,000 new final rules, according to the draft of the 2011 annual report to Congress on federal regulations by the Office of Management and Budget. That brought the total at the end of 2011 to 169,301 pages.

That is more than double the number of pages needed to publish the regulations back in 1975 when the bound edition consisted of 71,244 pages.
Randy Johnson, senior vice president of labor, immigration and employee benefits at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, distributed a handout of a Congressional Research Service analysis of a 2008 study commissioned by the Small Business Administration that estimated the annual compliance price for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion that year.

Seventy percent of the regulations were economic, accounting for $1.236 trillion of the annual cost. The other regulations were, in order of cost, environment regulations ($281 billion), tax compliance ($160 billion) and occupational safety and health and homeland security ($75 billion).

“I think these kinds of figures, if you put yourself in the place of a business person you’ll find them fairly mindboggling,” Johnson said.

Economists with the Chamber also analyzed the OBM’s report on the study, calculating that if every U.S. household paid an equal share of the federal regulatory burden, it would mean a $15,586 tab for each household in 2008.

Ronald Bird, economist with the USCC, told CNSNews.com that the 7.4 percent increase in pages of regulations during the first three years of the Obama administration is higher than the increase over the first three years of the George W. Bush administration (2001, 2002, and 2003) when the publication grew by 4.4 percent.​

Morning Bell: Obama's New Regulations Cost Billions | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

In our “Red Tape Rising: Obama-Era Regulation at the Three Year Mark” report, James Gattuso and Diane Katz detail how the Obama Administration has imposed new regulations costing $46 billion annually, with nearly $11 billion more in one-time implementation costs. That is about five times the cost of regulations imposed during the first three years of President George W. Bush’s administration, but the burden is even higher. The red tape of the past three years helps explain why the economic recovery has been so slow and job creation so anemic.

Don’t take our word for it, but those of President Obama himself. In January 2011, he said that “rules have gotten out of balance” and “have a chilling effect on growth and jobs.” And he’s right. Where the President breaks with reality is his pledge for a get-tough policy on overregulation and a comprehensive review of regulations imposed by Washington. In fact, to hear President Obama tell the story, you would think he’s a champion of slashing red tape and that his Administration has set its sights on slashing overregulation.

Over just the last year, the Obama Administration has added 32 regulations that together impose more than $10 billion in annual costs and $6.6 billion in one-time implementation costs. Those regulations include mandates covering a broad range of activities and products, ranging from refrigerators and freezers to clothes driers to air conditioners, limits on automotive emissions, employer requirements for posting federal labor rules, product labeling, health plan eligibility under Obamacare, and higher minimum wages for foreign workers. The most expensive regulation came from the Environmental Protection Agency, which added five major rules at a cost of more than $4 billion annually.​

I think that your response is almost as silly a response as counting the number of pages in the ACA bill.

All competitors in American markets play on the same level field.

Which of those areas that you mentioned would America stand for unregulating?


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You really need to stop changing the subject when you can't articulate a response.

The regulations passed under the Obama Administration cost industry billions of dollars to follow.

This is undeniably burdensome.

And for every dollar a business has to spend following the rules, that's one dollar less that he has to spend on payroll.

Obama's policies have put people out of work.

This, too, is undeniable.

that should be pretty easy to understand even for a liberal

have you seen New York is running ads

begging simply begging for business to return to the state

offering tax free initiatives

to relocate there

--LOL

 

[Derideo_Te]

I think a reader could be forgiven, if after reading your posts on this thread, if they felt deep remorse that this is what passes for the heirs of John Kenneth Galbraith and Bertrand Russell; a wreckage and a ruin. A wasteland devoid of value or beauty.

Drowning in denial is symptomatic of those who cannot face the reality of what their own words reveal about themselves.

Lol, or those who accuse others of what they project from their own heart.

Enough of your unsupported accusations which are totally off the topic.

You can say what you wish, I don't care what you think.

Ironic!

 

[editec]

That's a good start, Independent.

 

[midcan5]

The only times America has been dominated by a liberal spirit of humanism was at our founding under Jefferson et al, and when FDR rescued America after the debacle of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. See my sig for an outline. From FDR through Eisenhower we remained a more humane, people focused nation, that started to change with Nixon, Carter and was eventually transformed into the 'me first' nation we are today under Reagan. That is a history anyone can check if they want a bit of reality thrown into the BS of our modern corporate plutocracy. A fascinating history was just republished that is worth a read by all. I will link it below with another book that covers America today's lost values of humility and responsibility to all.

"Something is profoundly wrong with the way we live today. For thirty years we have made a virtue out of the pursuit of material self-interest: indeed, this very pursuit now constitutes whatever remains of our sense of collective purpose. We know what things cost but have no idea what they are worth. We no longer ask of a judicial ruling or a legislative act: is it good? Is it fair? Is it just? Is it right? Will it help bring about a better society or a better world? Those used to be the political questions, even if they invited no easy answers. We must learn once again to pose them." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'

"...In the United States large sections of the population were happily abandoned to illiteracy from the very beginning. Now new sections are added to this lumpen proletariat with each passing year. Everywhere one hears the elites saying to each other, in private: "Well, of course, they are not educable." There are endless statistics to confirm the already educated in their pessimism. Seventy-two million Americans are illiterate, the majority of them white. This doesn't include the functionally illiterate. One-quarter of American children live below the poverty level. Forty percent of children in public schools are from racial minorities. The whites who can afford to are slipping away into the private school system. Twice as many children are born to American teenagers as to those of any other democracy. But if you begin to add such facts as that forty million Americans do not have access to medical care, you are also obliged to wonder if the problem lies not with the population but with the elites, their expectations and their own education." p131 'Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West' John Ralston Saul

 

[M14 Shooter]

I guess that you haven't found a dictionary yet.

Nothing here changes the fact that you have deomonstrated your ignorance of the meaning of the term, under the definition of any of its legitimate incarnations, as proven by the fact you list "post offices and post roads" as an example of socialism having been introduced as part of the American economic system by Ben Franklin.
You may not like that fact, but a fact it remains.

I am a slave to dictionaries for word meaning. You are a slave to conservative media for the same. Propaganda.
I'm not going to change my source. I suggest that you consider changing yours.

Thank you for proving, yet again, your ignorance of the meaning of the term, under the definition of any of its legitimate incarnations.
You also have proven that this ignorance is willfull.
You may not like that fact, but a fact it remains.

 

[PMZ]

You should know better than to ask.

Government report finds regulations have spiked under Obama | TheHill

The number of regulations from Washington has spiked since President Obama took office, according to a new government report.

The Obama administration published more “major” final rules in its first term than the George W. Bush administration did in its second, according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS).

At the same time, the Obama White House’s review period for pending regulations was longer in 2012 than any point going back to at least to 1994, according to the report from the CRS, Congress’s research arm.

From 2009 through last year, there were more than 13,000 final rules published in the Federal Register, while fewer than 12,400 were finalized from 2005-2008, the report found. That’s an increase of nearly five percent.​

Under Obama, 11,327 Pages of Federal Regulations Added | CNS News

Over the past three years, the bound edition of the Code of Federal Regulations has increased by 11,327 pages – a 7.4 percent increase from Jan. 1, 2009 to Dec. 31, 2011. In 2009, the increase in the number of pages was the most over the last decade – 3.4 percent or 5,359 pages.

Over the past decade, the federal government has issued almost 38,000 new final rules, according to the draft of the 2011 annual report to Congress on federal regulations by the Office of Management and Budget. That brought the total at the end of 2011 to 169,301 pages.

That is more than double the number of pages needed to publish the regulations back in 1975 when the bound edition consisted of 71,244 pages.
Randy Johnson, senior vice president of labor, immigration and employee benefits at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, distributed a handout of a Congressional Research Service analysis of a 2008 study commissioned by the Small Business Administration that estimated the annual compliance price for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion that year.

Seventy percent of the regulations were economic, accounting for $1.236 trillion of the annual cost. The other regulations were, in order of cost, environment regulations ($281 billion), tax compliance ($160 billion) and occupational safety and health and homeland security ($75 billion).

“I think these kinds of figures, if you put yourself in the place of a business person you’ll find them fairly mindboggling,” Johnson said.

Economists with the Chamber also analyzed the OBM’s report on the study, calculating that if every U.S. household paid an equal share of the federal regulatory burden, it would mean a $15,586 tab for each household in 2008.

Ronald Bird, economist with the USCC, told CNSNews.com that the 7.4 percent increase in pages of regulations during the first three years of the Obama administration is higher than the increase over the first three years of the George W. Bush administration (2001, 2002, and 2003) when the publication grew by 4.4 percent.​

Morning Bell: Obama's New Regulations Cost Billions | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

In our “Red Tape Rising: Obama-Era Regulation at the Three Year Mark” report, James Gattuso and Diane Katz detail how the Obama Administration has imposed new regulations costing $46 billion annually, with nearly $11 billion more in one-time implementation costs. That is about five times the cost of regulations imposed during the first three years of President George W. Bush’s administration, but the burden is even higher. The red tape of the past three years helps explain why the economic recovery has been so slow and job creation so anemic.

Don’t take our word for it, but those of President Obama himself. In January 2011, he said that “rules have gotten out of balance” and “have a chilling effect on growth and jobs.” And he’s right. Where the President breaks with reality is his pledge for a get-tough policy on overregulation and a comprehensive review of regulations imposed by Washington. In fact, to hear President Obama tell the story, you would think he’s a champion of slashing red tape and that his Administration has set its sights on slashing overregulation.

Over just the last year, the Obama Administration has added 32 regulations that together impose more than $10 billion in annual costs and $6.6 billion in one-time implementation costs. Those regulations include mandates covering a broad range of activities and products, ranging from refrigerators and freezers to clothes driers to air conditioners, limits on automotive emissions, employer requirements for posting federal labor rules, product labeling, health plan eligibility under Obamacare, and higher minimum wages for foreign workers. The most expensive regulation came from the Environmental Protection Agency, which added five major rules at a cost of more than $4 billion annually.​

I think that your response is almost as silly a response as counting the number of pages in the ACA bill.

All competitors in American markets play on the same level field.

Which of those areas that you mentioned would America stand for unregulating?


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You really need to stop changing the subject when you can't articulate a response.

The regulations passed under the Obama Administration cost industry billions of dollars to follow.

This is undeniably burdensome.

And for every dollar a business has to spend following the rules, that's one dollar less that he has to spend on payroll.

Obama's policies have put people out of work.

This, too, is undeniable.

Your understanding of macroeconomics is pitiful. Next you'll be telling us that countries with the least government are the wealthiest.


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[JimBowie1958]

I think that your response is almost as silly a response as counting the number of pages in the ACA bill.

All competitors in American markets play on the same level field.

Which of those areas that you mentioned would America stand for unregulating?


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You really need to stop changing the subject when you can't articulate a response.

The regulations passed under the Obama Administration cost industry billions of dollars to follow.

This is undeniably burdensome.

And for every dollar a business has to spend following the rules, that's one dollar less that he has to spend on payroll.

Obama's policies have put people out of work.

This, too, is undeniable.

Your understanding of macroeconomics is pitiful. Next you'll be telling us that countries with the least government are the wealthiest.

I compiled this from Wikipedia, took the top 50 nations for GDP/person and deducted from it the tax burden as a percentage of the per capita GDP.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Government spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GDP/
Person
RANK.....Nation..........GDP/person..TaxBurden%...Effective GDP/person
1 Qatar....................103,900....04.90........$98,808.90
2 Liechtenstein.............89,400....00.00........$89,400.00
4 Monaco....................70,700....00.00........$70,700.00
7 Brunei....................55,300....00.00........$55,300.00
5 Singapore.................61,400....14.20........$52,681.20
3 Luxembourg................81,100....36.50........$51,498.50
9 United Arab Emirates......49,800....01.80........$48,903.60
17 Kuwait...................40,500....01.50........$39,892.50
24 Andorra..................37,200....00.00........$37,200.00
8 United States.............50,700....26.90........$37,061.70
27 San Marino...............36,200....00.00........$36,200.00
20 Taiwan...................39,400....12.90........$34,317.40
10 Switzerland.............46,200....29.40........$32,617.20
6 Norway....................55,900....42.80........$31,974.80
12 Australia................43,000....30.80........$29,756.00
32 Saudi Arabia.............31,800....06.60........$29,701.20
15 Ireland..................42,600....30.80........$29,479.20
11 Canada...................43,000....32.20........$29,154.00
36 Oman.....................29,600....03.00........$28,712.00
37 Bahrain..................29,200....04.80........$27,798.40
31 Bahamas, The.............31,900....16.80........$26,540.80
26 Japan....................36,900....28.30........$26,457.30
42 Equatorial Guinea........26,400....00.90........$26,162.40
14 Netherlands..............42,900....39.80........$25,825.80
18 Iceland..................39,900....36.30........$25,416.30
13 Austria..................43,100....42.00........$24,998.00
30 Korea, South.............32,800....26.60........$24,075.20
19 Germany..................39,700....40.60........$23,581.80
23 United Kingdom...........37,500....38.90........$22,912.50
16 Sweden...................41,900....47.90........$21,829.90
29 Israel...................32,800....33.50........$21,812.00
25 Finland..................37,000....42.10........$21,423.00
28 France...................36,100....42.90........$20,613.10
21 Belgium..................38,500....46.50........$20,597.50
33 Spain....................31,100....33.91........$20,553.99
22 Denmark..................38,300....48.20........$19,839.40
35 New Zealand..............30,200....34.50........$19,781.00
44 Seychelles...............25,600....28.10........$18,406.40
38 Slovenia.................28,700....37.60........$17,908.80
39 Czech Republic...........27,600....36.20........$17,608.80
41 Malta....................27,500....36.00........$17,600.00
34 Italy....................30,600....43.10........$17,411.40
46 Slovakia.................24,600....29.30........$17,392.20
43 Barbados.................25,800....32.90........$17,311.80
40 Cyprus...................27,500....39.20........$16,720.00
49 Lithuania................22,000....30.60........$15,268.00
48 Estonia..................22,100....32.20........$14,983.80
47 Portugal.................23,800....37.70........$14,827.40
50 Poland...................20,900....34.90........$13,605.90
45 Greece...................24,900....46.80........$13,246.80

Europe is consistently toward the bottom.

 

[PMZ]

You really need to stop changing the subject when you can't articulate a response.

The regulations passed under the Obama Administration cost industry billions of dollars to follow.

This is undeniably burdensome.

And for every dollar a business has to spend following the rules, that's one dollar less that he has to spend on payroll.

Obama's policies have put people out of work.

This, too, is undeniable.

Your understanding of macroeconomics is pitiful. Next you'll be telling us that countries with the least government are the wealthiest.

I compiled this from Wikipedia, took the top 50 nations for GDP/person and deducted from it the tax burden as a percentage of the per capita GDP.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Government spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GDP/
Person
RANK.....Nation..........GDP/person..TaxBurden%...Effective GDP/person
1 Qatar....................103,900....04.90........$98,808.90
2 Liechtenstein.............89,400....00.00........$89,400.00
4 Monaco....................70,700....00.00........$70,700.00
7 Brunei....................55,300....00.00........$55,300.00
5 Singapore.................61,400....14.20........$52,681.20
3 Luxembourg................81,100....36.50........$51,498.50
9 United Arab Emirates......49,800....01.80........$48,903.60
17 Kuwait...................40,500....01.50........$39,892.50
24 Andorra..................37,200....00.00........$37,200.00
8 United States.............50,700....26.90........$37,061.70
27 San Marino...............36,200....00.00........$36,200.00
20 Taiwan...................39,400....12.90........$34,317.40
10 Switzerland.............46,200....29.40........$32,617.20
6 Norway....................55,900....42.80........$31,974.80
12 Australia................43,000....30.80........$29,756.00
32 Saudi Arabia.............31,800....06.60........$29,701.20
15 Ireland..................42,600....30.80........$29,479.20
11 Canada...................43,000....32.20........$29,154.00
36 Oman.....................29,600....03.00........$28,712.00
37 Bahrain..................29,200....04.80........$27,798.40
31 Bahamas, The.............31,900....16.80........$26,540.80
26 Japan....................36,900....28.30........$26,457.30
42 Equatorial Guinea........26,400....00.90........$26,162.40
14 Netherlands..............42,900....39.80........$25,825.80
18 Iceland..................39,900....36.30........$25,416.30
13 Austria..................43,100....42.00........$24,998.00
30 Korea, South.............32,800....26.60........$24,075.20
19 Germany..................39,700....40.60........$23,581.80
23 United Kingdom...........37,500....38.90........$22,912.50
16 Sweden...................41,900....47.90........$21,829.90
29 Israel...................32,800....33.50........$21,812.00
25 Finland..................37,000....42.10........$21,423.00
28 France...................36,100....42.90........$20,613.10
21 Belgium..................38,500....46.50........$20,597.50
33 Spain....................31,100....33.91........$20,553.99
22 Denmark..................38,300....48.20........$19,839.40
35 New Zealand..............30,200....34.50........$19,781.00
44 Seychelles...............25,600....28.10........$18,406.40
38 Slovenia.................28,700....37.60........$17,908.80
39 Czech Republic...........27,600....36.20........$17,608.80
41 Malta....................27,500....36.00........$17,600.00
34 Italy....................30,600....43.10........$17,411.40
46 Slovakia.................24,600....29.30........$17,392.20
43 Barbados.................25,800....32.90........$17,311.80
40 Cyprus...................27,500....39.20........$16,720.00
49 Lithuania................22,000....30.60........$15,268.00
48 Estonia..................22,100....32.20........$14,983.80
47 Portugal.................23,800....37.70........$14,827.40
50 Poland...................20,900....34.90........$13,605.90
45 Greece...................24,900....46.80........$13,246.80

Europe is consistently toward the bottom.

I think that you've proven that building your country on an oil field, in the fossil fueled 20th century, was a good thing.

I can't tell you how surprised I was by that.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Your understanding of macroeconomics is pitiful. Next you'll be telling us that countries with the least government are the wealthiest.

I compiled this from Wikipedia, took the top 50 nations for GDP/person and deducted from it the tax burden as a percentage of the per capita GDP.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Government spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GDP/
Person
RANK.....Nation..........GDP/person..TaxBurden%...Effective GDP/person
1 Qatar....................103,900....04.90........$98,808.90
2 Liechtenstein.............89,400....00.00........$89,400.00
4 Monaco....................70,700....00.00........$70,700.00
7 Brunei....................55,300....00.00........$55,300.00
5 Singapore.................61,400....14.20........$52,681.20
3 Luxembourg................81,100....36.50........$51,498.50
9 United Arab Emirates......49,800....01.80........$48,903.60
17 Kuwait...................40,500....01.50........$39,892.50
24 Andorra..................37,200....00.00........$37,200.00
8 United States.............50,700....26.90........$37,061.70
27 San Marino...............36,200....00.00........$36,200.00
20 Taiwan...................39,400....12.90........$34,317.40
10 Switzerland.............46,200....29.40........$32,617.20
6 Norway....................55,900....42.80........$31,974.80
12 Australia................43,000....30.80........$29,756.00
32 Saudi Arabia.............31,800....06.60........$29,701.20
15 Ireland..................42,600....30.80........$29,479.20
11 Canada...................43,000....32.20........$29,154.00
36 Oman.....................29,600....03.00........$28,712.00
37 Bahrain..................29,200....04.80........$27,798.40
31 Bahamas, The.............31,900....16.80........$26,540.80
26 Japan....................36,900....28.30........$26,457.30
42 Equatorial Guinea........26,400....00.90........$26,162.40
14 Netherlands..............42,900....39.80........$25,825.80
18 Iceland..................39,900....36.30........$25,416.30
13 Austria..................43,100....42.00........$24,998.00
30 Korea, South.............32,800....26.60........$24,075.20
19 Germany..................39,700....40.60........$23,581.80
23 United Kingdom...........37,500....38.90........$22,912.50
16 Sweden...................41,900....47.90........$21,829.90
29 Israel...................32,800....33.50........$21,812.00
25 Finland..................37,000....42.10........$21,423.00
28 France...................36,100....42.90........$20,613.10
21 Belgium..................38,500....46.50........$20,597.50
33 Spain....................31,100....33.91........$20,553.99
22 Denmark..................38,300....48.20........$19,839.40
35 New Zealand..............30,200....34.50........$19,781.00
44 Seychelles...............25,600....28.10........$18,406.40
38 Slovenia.................28,700....37.60........$17,908.80
39 Czech Republic...........27,600....36.20........$17,608.80
41 Malta....................27,500....36.00........$17,600.00
34 Italy....................30,600....43.10........$17,411.40
46 Slovakia.................24,600....29.30........$17,392.20
43 Barbados.................25,800....32.90........$17,311.80
40 Cyprus...................27,500....39.20........$16,720.00
49 Lithuania................22,000....30.60........$15,268.00
48 Estonia..................22,100....32.20........$14,983.80
47 Portugal.................23,800....37.70........$14,827.40
50 Poland...................20,900....34.90........$13,605.90
45 Greece...................24,900....46.80........$13,246.80

Europe is consistently toward the bottom.

I think that you've proven that building your country on an oil field, in the fossil fueled 20th century, was a good thing.

I can't tell you how surprised I was by that.

Yeah, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, Singapore, Luxembourg, San Marino, and Taiwan are all built on top of oil fields, lololollroflmao.