Why the Current Liberal Dominated Political System is About to Crash

[PMZ]

Those are common government functions that well preceded the conception of socialism as an economic theory or political ideology.

That is a very dishonest and misleading statement.

As to how that reflects on your integrity, the reader can decide for themselves.

I am proud of my proper use of English ....

The last refuge of a liberal?

Perhaps. Certainly conservatives feel free to redefine the English language in service of their dogma.

 

[PMZ]

Hilarious. rotflmao



In the context you removed it from, I was referring to self-made wealthy people, and went into more detail elsewhere, and you h ave not demonstated how my assertionis false, you simply make another unwarranted assertion.

I dont mean to talk over your h ead, you do know what an unwarranted assertion is, right?

No, I said liberals think that the current CEO culture of alienation from the common people is a good thing, by and large, because most liberals these days are elitists and they generally do things to promote an insulation of our government fromthe common peole.

I am not saying that the CEO's and Wall street banks are liberals, no, lol, their ideology is greed, which isnt always a bad thing.

And they were made for those kinds of people, but I never said that I want them killed, etc, merely noting the historical FACTS of the matter, something liberals have trouble with.

No, that is how you are trying to spin my post, but that is not a fair reading at all.

No, I did not. You are twisting what I said.



1. I dont want any favors, and

2. I am confident that a fair reading of my post would show that none of what you have said about my posts is true.

"No, I said liberals think that the current CEO culture of alienation from the common people is a good thing, by and large, because most liberals these days are elitists and they generally do things to promote an insulation of our government fromthe common peole."

Nothing true here. Propaganda scapegoating.

rpflmao, a good demonstration of unwarranted assertion for anyone interested.

Fully warranted.

 

[PMZ]

Look it up, numbnuts.

Business where the means of production are publically owned.

Not in every case. Some theories of socialism leave most production in private hands and only heavy industry is publicly owned.

Shame it doesn't actually work in the real world.

What's thhat? PMZ doesn't know what socialism is? Shocking.

Socialism is a well defined English word. You either understand and accept what it means or not.

The descriptor for those who don't understand and accept is "ignorant".

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not in every case. Some theories of socialism leave most production in private hands and only heavy industry is publicly owned.

Shame it doesn't actually work in the real world.

What's thhat? PMZ doesn't know what socialism is? Shocking.

Socialism is a well defined English word. You either understand and accept what it means or not.

Yes.... and you have demonstrated that you do not.

 

[daveman]

They were your own words!

I think a reader could be forgiven, if after reading your posts on this thread, if they felt deep remorse that this is what passes for the heirs of John Kenneth Galbraith and Bertrand Russell; a wreckage and a ruin. A wasteland devoid of value or beauty.

Drowning in denial is symptomatic of those who cannot face the reality of what their own words reveal about themselves.

The question is:

Do the words the listener hears have the same meaning as the speaker believes they do?

The listener might hear revelations about the speaker that have no basis in reality. That tends to happen. A LOT.

 

[daveman]

I am proud of my proper use of English ....

The last refuge of a liberal?

Perhaps. Certainly conservatives feel free to redefine the English language in service of their dogma.

That depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

 

[PMZ]

What's thhat? PMZ doesn't know what socialism is? Shocking.

Socialism is a well defined English word. You either understand and accept what it means or not.

Yes.... and you have demonstrated that you do not.

I guess that you haven't found a dictionary yet.

 

[PMZ]

I think a reader could be forgiven, if after reading your posts on this thread, if they felt deep remorse that this is what passes for the heirs of John Kenneth Galbraith and Bertrand Russell; a wreckage and a ruin. A wasteland devoid of value or beauty.

Drowning in denial is symptomatic of those who cannot face the reality of what their own words reveal about themselves.

The question is:

Do the words the listener hears have the same meaning as the speaker believes they do?

The listener might hear revelations about the speaker that have no basis in reality. That tends to happen. A LOT.

The primary responsibility for communication rests with the originator of the words.

 

[daveman]

What I get a kick out of is conservative flexibility. A while ago their indictment of Obama was lack of business experience. Now it's that his administration is too connected to business.

I think that the real source of their theatrics is that he's not a Republican.

The real source of our criticism is that Obama is utterly incompetent.

He certainly is if you only consider Republican propaganda. An unceasing stream of it since Republicans woke up to the fact that their reputation is now saddled with the worst President in American history and the only recovery from that would be to try to drag Obama, Democrats, liberals and the country down to Bush's performance.

They've thrown the country under the bus. You fell for it. No matter.

Republicans are starting to see the total failure of their strategy and are now looking for another scapegoat. It will be extreme conservatives and it won't be pretty.

Kinda looks to me like you're looking for a scapegoat to pin Obama's and the left's failures on.

 

[PMZ]

The real source of our criticism is that Obama is utterly incompetent.

He certainly is if you only consider Republican propaganda. An unceasing stream of it since Republicans woke up to the fact that their reputation is now saddled with the worst President in American history and the only recovery from that would be to try to drag Obama, Democrats, liberals and the country down to Bush's performance.

They've thrown the country under the bus. You fell for it. No matter.

Republicans are starting to see the total failure of their strategy and are now looking for another scapegoat. It will be extreme conservatives and it won't be pretty.

Kinda looks to me like you're looking for a scapegoat to pin Obama's and the left's failures on.

Not at all. Republican propaganda has it that everything Obama does is a failure.

But under their control the trajectory of the country was sinking like a rock. When Obama took over that was turned around to incessant improvement.

I guess Republicans are not able to tell worse from better.

 

[daveman]

Sounds reasonable to me, Jim. The GOP continues its leftward slide in its mad race to become the Dem Part Lite.

When we have two indistinguishable parties, we will have one party rule, and there will no pretense of listening to the people.

Damn, how can I rep the second half only?

Dave, fix the first half of that post and you'll have it on the money. Because the idea that both parties are moving to the left is almost as absurd as the OP here. We've been drifting right for three decades. That's obvious.

Or maybe that was a cleverly cloaked sarcasm...?

No, it was dead-on-balls accurate. It's an industry term.

Stop listening to what Obama says. Pay attention to what he does.

New Obama Adviser Brings Corporate Ties

5 Obama Appointees with Wall Street Ties | Care2 Causes

THERE ya go. Now you got it.

Obama isn't necessarily representative of the entire left.

He's also rather corrupt. And a shameless liar. But for a variety of reasons (not the least of which is they simply believe everything he says), he gets a free pass.

 

[daveman]

Our wealth distribution is extreme compared to all other developed countries.

That has been proven to be the cause of many of our social ills, and the source of most of the revolutions in history.

Yes, lots of people throughout history have believed they're entitled to that which they haven't earned.

It's really nothing to be proud of.

 

[daveman]

The rich should labor for the benefit of the poor who intend to make pursuit of pleasure their life's work.

The modern liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for covetousness.

It's called "social justice", usually, though there's little enough of justice about it.

 

[PMZ]

Sounds reasonable to me, Jim. The GOP continues its leftward slide in its mad race to become the Dem Part Lite.

When we have two indistinguishable parties, we will have one party rule, and there will no pretense of listening to the people.

Damn, how can I rep the second half only?

Dave, fix the first half of that post and you'll have it on the money. Because the idea that both parties are moving to the left is almost as absurd as the OP here. We've been drifting right for three decades. That's obvious.

Or maybe that was a cleverly cloaked sarcasm...?

No, it was dead-on-balls accurate. It's an industry term.

Stop listening to what Obama says. Pay attention to what he does.

New Obama Adviser Brings Corporate Ties

5 Obama Appointees with Wall Street Ties | Care2 Causes

THERE ya go. Now you got it.

Obama isn't necessarily representative of the entire left.

He's also rather corrupt. And a shameless liar. But for a variety of reasons (not the least of which is they simply believe everything he says), he gets a free pass.

He gets a free pass because the propaganda that you are addicted to is just that. If you payed attention instead, to news, you'd know that what you are falling for is pure Republican spin and half truth.

 

[daveman]

I've said here often that two of my many heroes are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. They contributed, they made many people wealthy, they allowed many more to live comfortably. Now they are doing maximum global good with what they have been given by being the right person in the right place at the right time.

But look at many of the wealthy. Entertainers. Being celebrity by being celebrities.

The most ruthless in business.

Politicians selling influence.

Criminals of all types.

Those whose only contribution is who they were born to or who that they married.

A motley crew for sure.

Yet they have, together, virtually all of the wealth in the country.

And for the people who create all of the wealth, formerly for themselves, but lately for the aristocracy, workers, there is nothing left.

That's not what got us to prosperity. That denies prosperity for everybody. It's the end of the golden goose.

Lol, the vast majority of millionares, if that is what we define as wealthy, are small business owners and not at all the kind of people you list.

Evidence?

There are many small business owners that are the epitome of ruthless and quite a few even criminal.

There are even more ruthless and criminal poor people.

 

[PMZ]

Our wealth distribution is extreme compared to all other developed countries.

That has been proven to be the cause of many of our social ills, and the source of most of the revolutions in history.

Yes, lots of people throughout history have believed they're entitled to that which they haven't earned.

It's really nothing to be proud of.

I agree. But it applies to all income levels.

 

[PMZ]

The rich should labor for the benefit of the poor who intend to make pursuit of pleasure their life's work.

The modern liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for covetousness.

It's called "social justice", usually, though there's little enough of justice about it.

"the search for a superior moral justification for covetousness."

This describes the very essence of conservatism. Enough is never enough.

 

[PMZ]

Lol, the vast majority of millionares, if that is what we define as wealthy, are small business owners and not at all the kind of people you list.

Evidence?

There are many small business owners that are the epitome of ruthless and quite a few even criminal.

There are even more ruthless and criminal poor people.

Evidence?

 

[daveman]

Drowning in denial is symptomatic of those who cannot face the reality of what their own words reveal about themselves.

The question is:

Do the words the listener hears have the same meaning as the speaker believes they do?

The listener might hear revelations about the speaker that have no basis in reality. That tends to happen. A LOT.

The primary responsibility for communication rests with the originator of the words.

Sometimes the listener deliberately misinterprets the words, based on his own bigotries.

Like this:

"I disagree with Obama's policies."

"You're a racist!!"

The person who disagreed with Obama expressed no racism. The accuser of racism is bigoted against those who disagree with Obama, and ascribes attitudes neither present nor expressed.

How does one guard against that?

The best bet is to ignore those who make spurious charges based on bigotry and emotion.

 

[PMZ]

The question is:

Do the words the listener hears have the same meaning as the speaker believes they do?

The listener might hear revelations about the speaker that have no basis in reality. That tends to happen. A LOT.

The primary responsibility for communication rests with the originator of the words.

Sometimes the listener deliberately misinterprets the words, based on his own bigotries.

Like this:

"I disagree with Obama's policies."

"You're a racist!!"

The person who disagreed with Obama expressed no racism. The accuser of racism is bigoted against those who disagree with Obama, and ascribes attitudes neither present nor expressed.

How does one guard against that?

The best bet is to ignore those who make spurious charges based on bigotry and emotion.

Profiling is a natural human social skill. When there is no apparent reason for hate, it's natural to assign a probable cause.

It may not always be right, but hate is a pretty easy to determine emotion and racism is a pretty prevalent source.