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Can you think of one other profession who complains how hard their job is and how under paid they are? I can't think of one.In NY you do.See teacher pay go up.
See teacher get fired.
See teacher collect unemployment.
If you get fired, you don't get unemployment.
In NY it’s almost impossible for a teacher to be fired.
They have a Rubber Room where you spend the rest of your career chilling.
Police tell us how hard their job is but not that they are under paid.
Dentists apparently commit suicide at a high rate for some reason. But they don't complain about the money.
Nurses I think have a right to complain. They don't make enough. No one in the hospital or old folks home does other than the doctors and owners. If anything we need to give our caregivers more money.
Teachers make what they should make.
How Much Money Does an Average Teacher Make a Year? According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary for a teacher is approximately $55,000 per year. This means that half of all teachers in the country make more than this amount, and half make less.
Does anyone think public school teachers should make more? And I'm not asking public school teachers. Of course they think they should make more.
I'm sick of hearing how important their jobs are. My brother went off to MSU and got his masters. He almost failed out when he first went there. We went to a great public school where he was an A/B student. He wasn't prepared for college. He didn't know how to study. Our "great" public school in reality sucked. So today he pays $25K per kid to send them to private school. He said he succeeded DESPITE public school. His kids will go off to college and know how to study. BTW I almost failed out of college too. Public school teachers suck. Glorified baby sitters. They take credit for smart kids who would succeed regardless. I think they should be measured on the lowest performings tudents. We should be able to go look a their students 10 years later and see if they are successful.
And our public school was great compared to the Detroit Public School we came from. My 4th grade counselor in the white school we moved to said I basically learned nothing the first 4 years of school. So how much should a Detroit Public School teacher make? $40K a year at most. That's a lot of money for someone in Detroit and unfortunately the parents don't pay enough taxes to justify paying any more. If you don't like it, don't teach in Detroit or don't have kids in Detroit. Or send your kids to public school. If you can't afford that it's not our problem. You chose to have those kids.
The NY Rubber Rooms are loaded with hundreds of teachers drawing 90+K a year with full benefits and waiting to retire and get their full benefits.Can you think of one other profession who complains how hard their job is and how under paid they are? I can't think of one.In NY you do.See teacher pay go up.
See teacher get fired.
See teacher collect unemployment.
If you get fired, you don't get unemployment.
In NY it’s almost impossible for a teacher to be fired.
They have a Rubber Room where you spend the rest of your career chilling.
Police tell us how hard their job is but not that they are under paid.
Dentists apparently commit suicide at a high rate for some reason. But they don't complain about the money.
Nurses I think have a right to complain. They don't make enough. No one in the hospital or old folks home does other than the doctors and owners. If anything we need to give our caregivers more money.
Teachers make what they should make.
How Much Money Does an Average Teacher Make a Year? According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary for a teacher is approximately $55,000 per year. This means that half of all teachers in the country make more than this amount, and half make less.
Does anyone think public school teachers should make more? And I'm not asking public school teachers. Of course they think they should make more.
I'm sick of hearing how important their jobs are. My brother went off to MSU and got his masters. He almost failed out when he first went there. We went to a great public school where he was an A/B student. He wasn't prepared for college. He didn't know how to study. Our "great" public school in reality sucked. So today he pays $25K per kid to send them to private school. He said he succeeded DESPITE public school. His kids will go off to college and know how to study. BTW I almost failed out of college too. Public school teachers suck. Glorified baby sitters. They take credit for smart kids who would succeed regardless. I think they should be measured on the lowest performings tudents. We should be able to go look a their students 10 years later and see if they are successful.
And our public school was great compared to the Detroit Public School we came from. My 4th grade counselor in the white school we moved to said I basically learned nothing the first 4 years of school. So how much should a Detroit Public School teacher make? $40K a year at most. That's a lot of money for someone in Detroit and unfortunately the parents don't pay enough taxes to justify paying any more. If you don't like it, don't teach in Detroit or don't have kids in Detroit. Or send your kids to public school. If you can't afford that it's not our problem. You chose to have those kids.
They get their raises every year plus raises for taking classes.
It’s a farce.
No doubt. But lets just talk about the teacher who works hard, does a good job and makes $55K a year which is the national average. They want to complain? That's pretty good money for being a teacher.
And I'm sick of hearing their job is tough. NOTHING is tougher than sales because you are month to month. And you can be fired for just having a bad month. Or when the economy takes a dump. Teachers keep their jobs until they are ready to retire.
They have stress and take work home with them? So do we. But we don't get summers off.
We have a teacher in our family. We laugh every time we hear she has a day off. Snow days, spring break, winter break, summers, Martin Luther King day, Presidents Day,
the majority of states require 180 days of student instruction.
Teachers work half a year basically.
Including weekends I get 120 days off. That means I work 240 days. Teachers can go fuck themselves.
Now someone earlier said they no longer get pensions. That's a good thing. We can't afford that shit and they aren't worth it. Save a 401K like the rest of us and if you don't like it, go do something else.
The truth is they chose to be teachers. They could have went to college to be something else. Why didn't they?
Everyone needs and would like higher wages...teachers have extremely low cost health insurance and a pension for life after retirement and tenure...which means they can not be fired without a fight...sorry teachers...I do not feel bad for you...in fact you all largely voted for Obama...if anyone deserves to feel the pain of having a socialist as president for 8 years its people like you....Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.
Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.
But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.
Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.
The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.
So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.
Teachers are retiring and young people are seeing that teaching is NOT a good choice of career. Good luck with shortages.......we are already seeing it in SPED.They can’t go into lucrative careers. Teaching children doesn’t translate into the business world.Many of my colleagues have left teaching and gone into lucrative careers. ??? It seems that you're assuming "those women" are stupid. If they're stupid, I don't know--they shouldn't be teachers in the first place. But if they're not stupid, believe me, in this economy, there are places and people who will hire them.
Now I ask you: how do you expect to find smart, good teachers if those smart, good teachers can go into lucrative careers elsewhere, work much fewer hours year round even if they DO NOT get summers off, set their own bathroom breaks and schedules during the day, not have to grade papers and etc? Do not get me wrong, I adore teaching. I've been at this for 25 years. I just want to know how YOU propose to work this out.
Do tell us, Mr. Genius. Maybe these really smart, savvy women would love to work 12 hour days for 35K a year and buy school supplies for their students from that money and work second jobs for 30 years with dwindling pensions out of the goodness of their hearts--is that how you figure it?
I know lawyers and engineers can go into business and find very lucrative jobs but I’m not sure what you think an English or history teacher is qualified to do?
What are some of these lucrative jobs you are talking about?
Companies are still only hiring people who have experience in the job in which they are being hired to do. That means companies aren’t hiring teachers to be accounting, hr, it, quality, sales, marketing, etc. you wouldn’t know what you were doing.
I know people who have done it in the state in which we live. Sales. Making bank.
I think people are getting sick of teachers crying about how they are underpaid and overworked.
In recent years the internet has provided an undeniably wonderful platform for teachers to share advice, ideas and experiences. But it has also provided a soapbox for tireless negativity and tiresome self-regard.
The corner of the staffroom where the moaners always congregate – elaborating on how much better things could be – has always been reassuringly easy to avoid. However, give these people a screen and a keyboard and they’ll exercise their thumbs until everyone’s as miserable as them.
Secret Teacher: we have one of the best jobs in the world, so stop moaning
You know who is to blame for this? Teachers! The schools are even addressing this. My brother took me to lunch he said the school told our sister in law and her co-workers that they need to stop complaining so much.
I think them being in a union has something to do with it. They are free to complain to each other and that negativity is contagious. If I went around my company complaining like that I'd be fired because I don't have a union protecting me.
Of course teachers believe they are overworked and underpaid. They've all gotten together and convinced each other of this. This would be ok if they were private employees who wanted to organize but they are government union workers who actually have it too good.
Funny us people who aren't protected by unions don't complain about our lack of job security as much as these spoiled brats complain about a job they can't be fired from and can leave whenever they want.
And one of them said they could leave for a very "lucrative" career doing something else. Although she can't say what career she's talking about and for some reason she stays. Oh please don't tell me it's because you care about the kids.
Everyone needs and would like higher wages...teachers have extremely low cost health insurance and a pension for life after retirement and tenure...which means they can not be fired without a fight...sorry teachers...I do not feel bad for you...in fact you all largely voted for Obama...if anyone deserves to feel the pain of having a socialist as president for 8 years its people like you....Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.
Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.
But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.
Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.
The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.
So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.
If you think "administrators" are secretaries and office assistants and think they are overpaid, you are wrong on both counts. They are also not represented by the teacher's union. That makes you three for three on being WRONG!
Everyone needs and would like higher wages...teachers have extremely low cost health insurance and a pension for life after retirement and tenure...which means they can not be fired without a fight...sorry teachers...I do not feel bad for you...in fact you all largely voted for Obama...if anyone deserves to feel the pain of having a socialist as president for 8 years its people like you....Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.
Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.
But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.
Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.
The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.
So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it.
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Bologna.....Everyone needs and would like higher wages...teachers have extremely low cost health insurance and a pension for life after retirement and tenure...which means they can not be fired without a fight...sorry teachers...I do not feel bad for you...in fact you all largely voted for Obama...if anyone deserves to feel the pain of having a socialist as president for 8 years its people like you....Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.
Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.
But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.
Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.
The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.
So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it.
I'd love to know why this is funny. It's the truth, and has been the truth for years. When I started teaching way back in the early 90s, we DID have those "Cadillac" plans, as they were called. Those days are long gone. I pay hundreds of dollars out of my paycheck now for my family plan, and my deductible is high.
Truth.
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Bologna.....Everyone needs and would like higher wages...teachers have extremely low cost health insurance and a pension for life after retirement and tenure...which means they can not be fired without a fight...sorry teachers...I do not feel bad for you...in fact you all largely voted for Obama...if anyone deserves to feel the pain of having a socialist as president for 8 years its people like you....Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.
Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.
But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.
Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.
The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.
So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it.
I'd love to know why this is funny. It's the truth, and has been the truth for years. When I started teaching way back in the early 90s, we DID have those "Cadillac" plans, as they were called. Those days are long gone. I pay hundreds of dollars out of my paycheck now for my family plan, and my deductible is high.
Truth.
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Sue its your classroom...if you are having trouble dealing with a student have him or her removed from your class...if you don't it will rob your other students of their education....Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
I'm not personally asking for more pay. But I almost did get physically assaulted by a student today. Again.
I know people can't stand teachers and the fact that they can't is why there is a crushing teacher shortage. So the people you're going to get going forward are going to suck even worse. There's no way around that now; it's diminishing returns going forward from here. (shrug)
Sue its your classroom...if you are having trouble dealing with a student have him or her removed from your class...if you don't it will rob your other students of their education....Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
I'm not personally asking for more pay. But I almost did get physically assaulted by a student today. Again.
I know people can't stand teachers and the fact that they can't is why there is a crushing teacher shortage. So the people you're going to get going forward are going to suck even worse. There's no way around that now; it's diminishing returns going forward from here. (shrug)
Sue its your classroom...if you are having trouble dealing with a student have him or her removed from your class...if you don't it will rob your other students of their education....Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
I'm not personally asking for more pay. But I almost did get physically assaulted by a student today. Again.
I know people can't stand teachers and the fact that they can't is why there is a crushing teacher shortage. So the people you're going to get going forward are going to suck even worse. There's no way around that now; it's diminishing returns going forward from here. (shrug)
I'm not addressing your daily struggles...everyone has bad days and everyone's job is hard that is why its called work...I'm referring to your life after retirement...believe me what you went through today is worth what is at the end of the road for you....many of us can not say that...many of us will work till we die....in large part due to a lousy education provided in our public schools....Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
"Cushy". In one class today of 25 kindergartners I had a kid pee her pants and another with a profuse bloody nose. That is ONE class today. Sure, "cushy". And of course, I still taught. By myself.
Clueless, utterly clueless.
If you can't due to the system you are in.....I would advise you to get with your comrades and change the system....You're clueless. You're so clueless about what's going on I don't have enough time or energy to even tell you how clueless you are. "Have a student removed from your class"....yeah? Just like that, huh? Boy. Like telling a doctor, "Just prescribe the right meds!!!"
You're so clueless you don't even know
I'm not addressing your daily struggles...everyone has bad days and everyone's job is hard that is why its called work...I'm referring to your life after retirement...believe me what you went through today is worth what is at the end of the road for you....many of us can not say that...many of us will work till we die....in large part due to a lousy education provided in our public schools....Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
"Cushy". In one class today of 25 kindergartners I had a kid pee her pants and another with a profuse bloody nose. That is ONE class today. Sure, "cushy". And of course, I still taught. By myself.
Clueless, utterly clueless.
If you can't due to the system you are in.....I would advise you to get with your comrades and change the system....You're clueless. You're so clueless about what's going on I don't have enough time or energy to even tell you how clueless you are. "Have a student removed from your class"....yeah? Just like that, huh? Boy. Like telling a doctor, "Just prescribe the right meds!!!"
You're so clueless you don't even know
People who work in an office shuffling paper in an assistive capacity shouldn't be so damn sensitive about being called an "office assistant."
Cushy". In one class today of 25 kindergartners I had a kid pee her pants and another with a profuse bloody nose. That is ONE class today. Sure, "cushy". And of course, I still taught. By myself.
You're clueless. You're so clueless about what's going on I don't have enough time or energy to even tell you how clueless you are. "Have a student removed from your class"....yeah? Just like that, huh? Boy. Like telling a doctor, "Just prescribe the right meds!!!"
