Why teachers need more pay

My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....

"Cushy". In one class today of 25 kindergartners I had a kid pee her pants and another with a profuse bloody nose. That is ONE class today. Sure, "cushy". And of course, I still taught. By myself.

Clueless, utterly clueless.
I'm not addressing your daily struggles...everyone has bad days and everyone's job is hard that is why its called work...I'm referring to your life after retirement...believe me what you went through today is worth what is at the end of the road for you....many of us can not say that...many of us will work till we die....in large part due to a lousy education provided in our public schools....

Oh no you addressed it. You called my job "cushy". That's exactly what you said. My job is "cushy"...my life is "cushy". And you're right: I do get school breaks and summers off. But on my work days, my time is totally owned. I can't even use the bathroom on my own time. That's not a "cushy" job, sorry.

And that is really the problem. The public DOES think teaching is a "cushy" job. Come do my job for one day. I'm not saying other jobs are easy. But neither is mine, believe me.
Saying you have a cushy job is not saying you never have tough days...how about trying to pay bills when you can't work due to the weather?....or how about when you retire you have to work for Walmart?....come on....like I said I have four family members that have been teaching for years....and not all are in one school system...
 
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....

I'm not personally asking for more pay. But I almost did get physically assaulted by a student today. Again.

I know people can't stand teachers and the fact that they can't is why there is a crushing teacher shortage. So the people you're going to get going forward are going to suck even worse. There's no way around that now; it's diminishing returns going forward from here. (shrug)
Sue its your classroom...if you are having trouble dealing with a student have him or her removed from your class...if you don't it will rob your other students of their education....

Just for starters, Mr Clueless, you realize that the laws regarding special ed means that removing a kid from a classroom is illegal, correct? You can't just "remove a student from your class", at least not on an ongoing or permanent basis

That is just to give you a taste of how out of this loop you are on my "cushy" job.
 
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....

I'm not personally asking for more pay. But I almost did get physically assaulted by a student today. Again.

I know people can't stand teachers and the fact that they can't is why there is a crushing teacher shortage. So the people you're going to get going forward are going to suck even worse. There's no way around that now; it's diminishing returns going forward from here. (shrug)
Sue its your classroom...if you are having trouble dealing with a student have him or her removed from your class...if you don't it will rob your other students of their education....

Just for starters, Mr Clueless, you realize that the laws regarding special ed means that removing a kid from a classroom is illegal, correct? You can't just "remove a student from your class", at least not on an ongoing or permanent basis

That is just to give you a taste of how out of this loop you are on my "cushy" job.
You need to change that...its not for the better of anyone involved to not be able to properly conduct your classroom as you see fit...you have a full classroom...I don't care if they are special needs students or not if your school does not have order its your fault....do something about it....don't let a ridiculous blanket policy ruin the education of other students that are there to learn...
 
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....

"Cushy". In one class today of 25 kindergartners I had a kid pee her pants and another with a profuse bloody nose. That is ONE class today. Sure, "cushy". And of course, I still taught. By myself.

Clueless, utterly clueless.
I'm not addressing your daily struggles...everyone has bad days and everyone's job is hard that is why its called work...I'm referring to your life after retirement...believe me what you went through today is worth what is at the end of the road for you....many of us can not say that...many of us will work till we die....in large part due to a lousy education provided in our public schools....

Oh no you addressed it. You called my job "cushy". That's exactly what you said. My job is "cushy"...my life is "cushy". And you're right: I do get school breaks and summers off. But on my work days, my time is totally owned. I can't even use the bathroom on my own time. That's not a "cushy" job, sorry.

And that is really the problem. The public DOES think teaching is a "cushy" job. Come do my job for one day. I'm not saying other jobs are easy. But neither is mine, believe me.
Saying you have a cushy job is not saying you never have tough days...how about trying to pay bills when you can't work due to the weather?....or how about when you retire you have to work for Walmart?....come on....like I said I have four family members that have been teaching for years....and not all are in one school system...

I'm sorry you have a problem with envy and coveting. That's not my problem. It's yours ultimately.
 
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....

I'm not personally asking for more pay. But I almost did get physically assaulted by a student today. Again.

I know people can't stand teachers and the fact that they can't is why there is a crushing teacher shortage. So the people you're going to get going forward are going to suck even worse. There's no way around that now; it's diminishing returns going forward from here. (shrug)
Sue its your classroom...if you are having trouble dealing with a student have him or her removed from your class...if you don't it will rob your other students of their education....

Just for starters, Mr Clueless, you realize that the laws regarding special ed means that removing a kid from a classroom is illegal, correct? You can't just "remove a student from your class", at least not on an ongoing or permanent basis

That is just to give you a taste of how out of this loop you are on my "cushy" job.
You need to change that...its not for the better of anyone involved to not be able to properly conduct your classroom as you see fit...you have a full classroom...I don't care if they are special needs students or not if your school does not have order its your fault....do something about it....don't let a ridiculous blanket policy ruin the education of other students that are there to learn...

It's federal law. FEDERAL LAW.

Sure, "do something".

This is how clueless you are. I'm telling you.
 
I'm sorry you have a problem with envy and coveting. That's not my problem. It's yours ultimately.
I'm semi retired Sue...I work because I like to not because I need to....I envy no one but I have sympathy for hard working people being taxed to death because teachers have to drive a Honda rather than a Lincoln...
 
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....

I'm not personally asking for more pay. But I almost did get physically assaulted by a student today. Again.

I know people can't stand teachers and the fact that they can't is why there is a crushing teacher shortage. So the people you're going to get going forward are going to suck even worse. There's no way around that now; it's diminishing returns going forward from here. (shrug)
Sue its your classroom...if you are having trouble dealing with a student have him or her removed from your class...if you don't it will rob your other students of their education....

Just for starters, Mr Clueless, you realize that the laws regarding special ed means that removing a kid from a classroom is illegal, correct? You can't just "remove a student from your class", at least not on an ongoing or permanent basis

That is just to give you a taste of how out of this loop you are on my "cushy" job.
You need to change that...its not for the better of anyone involved to not be able to properly conduct your classroom as you see fit...you have a full classroom...I don't care if they are special needs students or not if your school does not have order its your fault....do something about it....don't let a ridiculous blanket policy ruin the education of other students that are there to learn...

It's federal law. FEDERAL LAW.

Sure, "do something".

This is how clueless you are. I'm telling you.

If you teachers put as much effort into fixing your problems and undoing worthless and damaging regulation as you do trying to bilk the tax payer for more...maybe you would be able to fix the broken system you feel so trapped in....
 
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....



Funny how everyone has a relative who is a teacher when they need to make some bullshit claim that they simply expect will be accepted.
 
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....



Funny how everyone has a relative who is a teacher when they need to make some bullshit claim that they simply expect will be accepted.
I don't have one teacher in my family I have four....but thanks for your worthless contribution....
 
My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it
Where do you teach?...Afghanistan?...I have 4 family members that are teachers....I know first hand how cushy their lives are compared to others....teachers need to get out of the classroom and take a good look at their fellow citizens and their struggles before you go to them once again with your hand out...you took the job...no one twisted your arm....



Funny how everyone has a relative who is a teacher when they need to make some bullshit claim that they simply expect will be accepted.
I don't have one teacher in my family I have four.......



Of course you do. Everyone does.
 
teachers have the monumental/IMPORTANT job of teaching children
they are more important than any politician
 
I just don’t understand what you mean. They’ll be paying you more than they make for your services? What does that mean?



I contract to lots of sorts that have an elitist view of those that work in the physical world , it's all beneath them

after all, they've spent $$$$$$ on an education.....

they're blinded by blatantly condesending socio-economic views

makes them easy pickin's , which they'll even thank us for
:banana::banana::banana:
~S~
Yea well we came from nothing and our kids are well grounded but I do agree a lot of those spoiled kids will grow up to be major disappointments.

It costs $25k a year to go to Cranbrook. I would expect great things from them. If they became nurses and teachers I’d be disappointed.

My nephew wants to work in the front office of the tigers pistons lions or red wings. He’s got a good head on his shoulders.

And his parents will leave him millions so he should be ok.

And he doesn’t have to pay for college so while your kids are paying off their student loans he’ll be saving for his first home

Bragging a lot about these nephews. What about your own kids, got any?
No
 
Yeah, gotta agree with Mr H on this one.

Regardless of how you feel about unions, the public school unions have made a mess of shit. With a job as important as educating our youngest generation, why would we want our educators given consideration of anything -but- performance?

Why would we allow them to base employment decisions on seniority?

Also, you look at how the basic union dynamic works. The union negotiates with the employer to get higher pay, more benefits, and less requirements for the workers they represent. The employer concedes what is required to continue to operate, and the difference is passed onto the consumers.

Public school unions are no different. They aren't representing the children, they're representing the teachers and administrators. They fight to get higher pay and lower expectations for the educators and the consumers are the ones that have to eat the cost. In this case the consumers are the taxpayers and the kids.

Now, in my view, most of our larger educational issues in this country are primarily cultural. It doesn't matter how much you improve the school system, when our popular culture idolizes ignorance and persecutes, as nerds and dorks, anyone with intellectual values and pass times, we're gonna end up with a lot of willfully ignorant dipshits.

That said. . . Ban union seniority rules in public schools and start demanding more accountability and see if shit doesn't improve. I don't know if you realize it, but upping the salary will only put better teachers in the classrooms if the shittier teachers are forced to move aside. With seniority, that latter requirement won't be met. You'll just be paying the current batch of fuck-ups more money to continue fucking up with impunity.

Also, whoever said that we should stop spending so much on the buildings, I also agree with. I wouldn't put the fault on the contractors, though. By definition, a business is looking to maximize its profits. They're just doing their jobs.

The problem is that we've given our government officials too much discretion in how much to blow on individual contracts and there's too little transparency to their spending decisions. Make it harder for criminal enterprises to buy off political contracts and, VOILA!, less criminal enterprises will buy off political contracts. You know why you've never seen a toilet seat in anyone's house that you know that cost 650 bucks? The same reason you've never seen a coffee maker in your friend's kitchen that cost 7 G's. Cuz regular people who have to spend their -own- money don't pay fucking 650 for a toilet seat or 7 G's for a fuckin coffee maker! Throwing money at a problem doesn't fix shit if the people responsible for distributing that money have the integrity and spending habits of meth addicts.


Nothing taxpayer-funded should have a union, ever.
I agree. And just like at my work none of us know what each other make.

So it’s up to you to go convince the principle that you are worth a raise. Don’t walk in with all your fellow teachers and demand you all get a raise. Most of you don’t deserve a raise. Especially the ones who are complaining how hard it is. Maybe it is too hard for you. More money isn’t going to make you better or the job easier.

Please don't comment on education topics until you learn to spell "principal".

He hated school, he sucked at it, therefore, teachers suck and have easy jobs.

How many times have we seen THAT argument?
What about my brother? We went to a good public school and he was the smart one. Good enough grades to get into MSU. They told him he wasn’t prepared. That’s because teachers don’t come from MSU or u of m. They come from eastern Michigan university and Wayne state. The smart kids don’t go into teaching. That’s one reason you aren’t worth more money.

And my brother is now vp of hr making over 500k. So he taught himself how to study in college. His high school teachers did not prepare him.

So now he pays $25k per kid to keep them away from public schools and everything in them.
 
See teacher pay go up.
See teacher get fired.
See teacher collect unemployment.

If you get fired, you don't get unemployment.
In NY you do.
In NY it’s almost impossible for a teacher to be fired.
They have a Rubber Room where you spend the rest of your career chilling.
Can you think of one other profession who complains how hard their job is and how under paid they are? I can't think of one.

Police tell us how hard their job is but not that they are under paid.

Dentists apparently commit suicide at a high rate for some reason. But they don't complain about the money.

Nurses I think have a right to complain. They don't make enough. No one in the hospital or old folks home does other than the doctors and owners. If anything we need to give our caregivers more money.

Teachers make what they should make.

How Much Money Does an Average Teacher Make a Year? According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary for a teacher is approximately $55,000 per year. This means that half of all teachers in the country make more than this amount, and half make less.

Does anyone think public school teachers should make more? And I'm not asking public school teachers. Of course they think they should make more.

I'm sick of hearing how important their jobs are. My brother went off to MSU and got his masters. He almost failed out when he first went there. We went to a great public school where he was an A/B student. He wasn't prepared for college. He didn't know how to study. Our "great" public school in reality sucked. So today he pays $25K per kid to send them to private school. He said he succeeded DESPITE public school. His kids will go off to college and know how to study. BTW I almost failed out of college too. Public school teachers suck. Glorified baby sitters. They take credit for smart kids who would succeed regardless. I think they should be measured on the lowest performings tudents. We should be able to go look a their students 10 years later and see if they are successful.

And our public school was great compared to the Detroit Public School we came from. My 4th grade counselor in the white school we moved to said I basically learned nothing the first 4 years of school. So how much should a Detroit Public School teacher make? $40K a year at most. That's a lot of money for someone in Detroit and unfortunately the parents don't pay enough taxes to justify paying any more. If you don't like it, don't teach in Detroit or don't have kids in Detroit. Or send your kids to public school. If you can't afford that it's not our problem. You chose to have those kids.

Translation: I had a terrible experience and almost failed out of college. Therefore, all teachers suck.

You're not a comprehensive thinker. That's why you wouldn't make a great teacher. That why I wouldn't even give you until Wednesday.
I had a great experience in college after I taught myself how to study and pass tests. What the hell did we even do in high School?
 
They can’t go into lucrative careers. Teaching children doesn’t translate into the business world.

I know lawyers and engineers can go into business and find very lucrative jobs but I’m not sure what you think an English or history teacher is qualified to do?

What are some of these lucrative jobs you are talking about?

Companies are still only hiring people who have experience in the job in which they are being hired to do. That means companies aren’t hiring teachers to be accounting, hr, it, quality, sales, marketing, etc. you wouldn’t know what you were doing.

I know people who have done it in the state in which we live. Sales. Making bank.

I think people are getting sick of teachers crying about how they are underpaid and overworked.

In recent years the internet has provided an undeniably wonderful platform for teachers to share advice, ideas and experiences. But it has also provided a soapbox for tireless negativity and tiresome self-regard.

The corner of the staffroom where the moaners always congregate – elaborating on how much better things could be – has always been reassuringly easy to avoid. However, give these people a screen and a keyboard and they’ll exercise their thumbs until everyone’s as miserable as them.

Secret Teacher: we have one of the best jobs in the world, so stop moaning
Teachers are retiring and young people are seeing that teaching is NOT a good choice of career. Good luck with shortages.......we are already seeing it in SPED.

You know who is to blame for this? Teachers! The schools are even addressing this. My brother took me to lunch he said the school told our sister in law and her co-workers that they need to stop complaining so much.

I think them being in a union has something to do with it. They are free to complain to each other and that negativity is contagious. If I went around my company complaining like that I'd be fired because I don't have a union protecting me.

Of course teachers believe they are overworked and underpaid. They've all gotten together and convinced each other of this. This would be ok if they were private employees who wanted to organize but they are government union workers who actually have it too good.

Funny us people who aren't protected by unions don't complain about our lack of job security as much as these spoiled brats complain about a job they can't be fired from and can leave whenever they want.

And one of them said they could leave for a very "lucrative" career doing something else. Although she can't say what career she's talking about and for some reason she stays. Oh please don't tell me it's because you care about the kids.

I didn't say that. I said my friends did leave for lucrative careers. I am not leaving because I don't want to leave. I love teaching.

I think I see the problem now. Reading comprehension, wasn't it? You have a reading comprehension problem. That you blame teachers for. BTW, guaranteed your SIL thinks you're a huge jerk.
No I want her to get hers. She’s a liberal like me. It’s teachers who voted for trump that I want to see get screwed by anti union anti public education republicans like Betsy Devos

Are you a fan of hers?
 
See teacher pay go up.
See teacher get fired.
See teacher collect unemployment.

If you get fired, you don't get unemployment.
In NY you do.
In NY it’s almost impossible for a teacher to be fired.
They have a Rubber Room where you spend the rest of your career chilling.
Can you think of one other profession who complains how hard their job is and how under paid they are? I can't think of one.

Police tell us how hard their job is but not that they are under paid.

Dentists apparently commit suicide at a high rate for some reason. But they don't complain about the money.

Nurses I think have a right to complain. They don't make enough. No one in the hospital or old folks home does other than the doctors and owners. If anything we need to give our caregivers more money.

Teachers make what they should make.

How Much Money Does an Average Teacher Make a Year? According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary for a teacher is approximately $55,000 per year. This means that half of all teachers in the country make more than this amount, and half make less.

Does anyone think public school teachers should make more? And I'm not asking public school teachers. Of course they think they should make more.

I'm sick of hearing how important their jobs are. My brother went off to MSU and got his masters. He almost failed out when he first went there. We went to a great public school where he was an A/B student. He wasn't prepared for college. He didn't know how to study. Our "great" public school in reality sucked. So today he pays $25K per kid to send them to private school. He said he succeeded DESPITE public school. His kids will go off to college and know how to study. BTW I almost failed out of college too. Public school teachers suck. Glorified baby sitters. They take credit for smart kids who would succeed regardless. I think they should be measured on the lowest performings tudents. We should be able to go look a their students 10 years later and see if they are successful.

And our public school was great compared to the Detroit Public School we came from. My 4th grade counselor in the white school we moved to said I basically learned nothing the first 4 years of school. So how much should a Detroit Public School teacher make? $40K a year at most. That's a lot of money for someone in Detroit and unfortunately the parents don't pay enough taxes to justify paying any more. If you don't like it, don't teach in Detroit or don't have kids in Detroit. Or send your kids to public school. If you can't afford that it's not our problem. You chose to have those kids.
The NY Rubber Rooms are loaded with hundreds of teachers drawing 90+K a year with full benefits and waiting to retire and get their full benefits.
They get their raises every year plus raises for taking classes.
It’s a farce.

I believe you will find those people are awaiting adjudication of justification for their being fired. I also believe that is limited to NYC schools.
 
See teacher pay go up.
See teacher get fired.
See teacher collect unemployment.

If you get fired, you don't get unemployment.
In NY you do.
In NY it’s almost impossible for a teacher to be fired.
They have a Rubber Room where you spend the rest of your career chilling.
Can you think of one other profession who complains how hard their job is and how under paid they are? I can't think of one.

Police tell us how hard their job is but not that they are under paid.

Dentists apparently commit suicide at a high rate for some reason. But they don't complain about the money.

Nurses I think have a right to complain. They don't make enough. No one in the hospital or old folks home does other than the doctors and owners. If anything we need to give our caregivers more money.

Teachers make what they should make.

How Much Money Does an Average Teacher Make a Year? According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary for a teacher is approximately $55,000 per year. This means that half of all teachers in the country make more than this amount, and half make less.

Does anyone think public school teachers should make more? And I'm not asking public school teachers. Of course they think they should make more.

I'm sick of hearing how important their jobs are. My brother went off to MSU and got his masters. He almost failed out when he first went there. We went to a great public school where he was an A/B student. He wasn't prepared for college. He didn't know how to study. Our "great" public school in reality sucked. So today he pays $25K per kid to send them to private school. He said he succeeded DESPITE public school. His kids will go off to college and know how to study. BTW I almost failed out of college too. Public school teachers suck. Glorified baby sitters. They take credit for smart kids who would succeed regardless. I think they should be measured on the lowest performings tudents. We should be able to go look a their students 10 years later and see if they are successful.

And our public school was great compared to the Detroit Public School we came from. My 4th grade counselor in the white school we moved to said I basically learned nothing the first 4 years of school. So how much should a Detroit Public School teacher make? $40K a year at most. That's a lot of money for someone in Detroit and unfortunately the parents don't pay enough taxes to justify paying any more. If you don't like it, don't teach in Detroit or don't have kids in Detroit. Or send your kids to public school. If you can't afford that it's not our problem. You chose to have those kids.

Translation: I had a terrible experience and almost failed out of college. Therefore, all teachers suck.

You're not a comprehensive thinker. That's why you wouldn't make a great teacher. That why I wouldn't even give you until Wednesday.

Most of those whiners would not last until lunch time!
 
Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.

Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.

But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.

Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.

The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.



So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.
Everyone needs and would like higher wages...teachers have extremely low cost health insurance and a pension for life after retirement and tenure...which means they can not be fired without a fight...sorry teachers...I do not feel bad for you...in fact you all largely voted for Obama...if anyone deserves to feel the pain of having a socialist as president for 8 years its people like you....

Low cost? Have you seen what I would have had to pay to cover my family? Mine cost nearly $200 a month just for me alone. My family was on my insurance coverage for about a year or two of my 21 years as a teacher because my wife's insurance working for AT&T and Charter was cheaper by several hundred dollars a month and it was better coverage than I could get!

Did you realize that those pensions dollars come out of every paycheck we make?

Tenure? I was eligible for tenure a few years back. They decided it was cheaper to pay a young female teacher just out of college half of what they paid me, so I was given my walking papers after 4 years, no reason given.
 
Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.

Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.

But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.

Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.

The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.



So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.
Everyone needs and would like higher wages...teachers have extremely low cost health insurance and a pension for life after retirement and tenure...which means they can not be fired without a fight...sorry teachers...I do not feel bad for you...in fact you all largely voted for Obama...if anyone deserves to feel the pain of having a socialist as president for 8 years its people like you....

My health insurance is no better than my husband's now, and hasn't been for years. He's in the private sector. I pay for it every month, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and have a high deductible every year. Believe it.

I'd love to know why this is funny. It's the truth, and has been the truth for years. When I started teaching way back in the early 90s, we DID have those "Cadillac" plans, as they were called. Those days are long gone. I pay hundreds of dollars out of my paycheck now for my family plan, and my deductible is high.

Truth.
Bologna.....

Why do you say that? It happens to be true virtually nationwide!
 

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