Why People Still Support Trump:

[miketx]

Just so we understand...list those successes?

Aksing for proof you know you will deny proves beyond any doubt what you are.

 

[John Shaw]

I would support Trump if he wasn't Trump.

I like some parts of the SPIRIT of what he purportedly starts for. America first? Sure. that's probably the way it should be. Strong border security? Why wouldn't I like that? Focus on the economy? Hell yeah; sounds good.

The trouble is, I don't think Trump actually cares about any of that. He is more interested in the "Donald Trump show", where he rambles on Twitter, drinks Diet Coke and alienates as many of the people who aren't already sucking his orange cock as humanly possible.

I WISH Trump was a more responsible and capable version of himself. But he isn't. He never will be.

Also, unlike some people on here, I actually think Europe does some things right, like focusing on healthcare and education. People say the federal government has no business getting involved in education, but there's a reason Europe, S.Korea (pretty much all of Asia), etc. are all so far ahead in that category; their governments actually give a shit and get involved, whereas ours is more focused on corporate welfare, interventionism, and stoking divisions to get re-elected.

Part of that is the stupidity of the American people. Our politicians don't care about making life better for the majority of Americans because they know we will keep voting for them anyway. It's more important for them to cater to their donors.

They are far ahead in that category because liberal SCUMBAGS control education, and don't teach the kids properly and too concerned with passing them on and teaching them how to be gay and turning out illiterate morons who grow up to be media fed idiots.

They are far ahead because their high school students have a much greater understanding of reading, writing, science and mathematics. Not to mention languages and history.

Because liberal scum don't teach them. Thanks for agreeing.

Teach who? I don't think it matters whether a teacher is lib, conservative, or whatever. Politics belong only in political science courses. They have nothing to do with science, math, or language (though science should have an impact on politics.. not so much with this administration).

Now come the libtard word games- teach who teach who...squawk squawk squawk...always the same with you traitors.

Your trolling would be more successful if you at least tried to make a little sense.

 

[miketx]

They are far ahead in that category because liberal SCUMBAGS control education, and don't teach the kids properly and too concerned with passing them on and teaching them how to be gay and turning out illiterate morons who grow up to be media fed idiots.

They are far ahead because their high school students have a much greater understanding of reading, writing, science and mathematics. Not to mention languages and history.

Because liberal scum don't teach them. Thanks for agreeing.

Teach who? I don't think it matters whether a teacher is lib, conservative, or whatever. Politics belong only in political science courses. They have nothing to do with science, math, or language (though science should have an impact on politics.. not so much with this administration).

Now come the libtard word games- teach who teach who...squawk squawk squawk...always the same with you traitors.

Your trolling would be more successful if you at least tried to make a little sense.

The pretense of not understanding goes on....

 

[John Shaw]

They are far ahead because their high school students have a much greater understanding of reading, writing, science and mathematics. Not to mention languages and history.

Because liberal scum don't teach them. Thanks for agreeing.

Teach who? I don't think it matters whether a teacher is lib, conservative, or whatever. Politics belong only in political science courses. They have nothing to do with science, math, or language (though science should have an impact on politics.. not so much with this administration).

Now come the libtard word games- teach who teach who...squawk squawk squawk...always the same with you traitors.

Your trolling would be more successful if you at least tried to make a little sense.

The pretense of not understanding goes on....

I really, really don't know what your point is or what you are trying to say. Probably because it's gibberish.

 

[MAGAman]

Just so we understand...list those successes?

Historically high employment.
Best GDP growth since Bush.
Best wage gains since Bush or before
Bringing back the MFG jobs that Obama sent overseas.
Killed the Obamacare tax on poor Americans.
Brought the VA back to decency.
Obamas Caliphate is destroyed.
Tax cut for virtually all taxpayers.
NATO Ally commitments to start defending themselves.
Moved Israeli embassy to the capital.
NK has stopped testing ICBMs.
America is now a net exporter of energy.
There's a few...

 

[OnePercenter]

Just so we understand...list those successes?

You won't understand without proper water-boarding by fellow Democrats, but here you go. It's out-dated and incomplete, but it's a start: Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relentless’ promise-keeping

Yet most Americans live paycheck to paycheck.

 

[OnePercenter]

Just so we understand...list those successes?

Historically high employment.
Best GDP growth since Bush.
Best wage gains since Bush or before
Bringing back the MFG jobs that Obama sent overseas.
Killed the Obamacare tax on poor Americans.
Brought the VA back to decency.
Obamas Caliphate is destroyed.
Tax cut for virtually all taxpayers.
NATO Ally commitments to start defending themselves.
Moved Israeli embassy to the capital.
NK has stopped testing ICBMs.
America is now a net exporter of energy.
There's a few...

Permanent tax cut for the rich.....ME!

 

[Lesh]

Just so we understand...list those successes?

Historically high employment.
Best GDP growth since Bush.
Best wage gains since Bush or before
Bringing back the MFG jobs that Obama sent overseas.
Killed the Obamacare tax on poor Americans.
Brought the VA back to decency.
Obamas Caliphate is destroyed.
Tax cut for virtually all taxpayers.
NATO Ally commitments to start defending themselves.
Moved Israeli embassy to the capital.
NK has stopped testing ICBMs.
America is now a net exporter of energy.
There's a few...

Most of the things you list are on the same track they have been for 5 years or more.
There's no real indication that "jobs are coming back" in any greater number than under Obama
Killing Obamacare is NOT a plus
The VA is right about where it was
ISIS is STILL a viable force
The tax cut...has ben a tax increase for WAY too many people and not much help for anyone not rich
NATO is doing exactly what it was doing before...but is now looking at OTHER than us for leadership
'NK is still producing Nukes
we HAVE been an energy exporter for a while and Trump has done NOTHING to change that

But hey...you're drinking the Orange Kool Aid so...

 

[OnePercenter]

Just so we understand...list those successes?

Historically high employment.
Best GDP growth since Bush.
Best wage gains since Bush or before
Bringing back the MFG jobs that Obama sent overseas.
Killed the Obamacare tax on poor Americans.
Brought the VA back to decency.
Obamas Caliphate is destroyed.
Tax cut for virtually all taxpayers.
NATO Ally commitments to start defending themselves.
Moved Israeli embassy to the capital.
NK has stopped testing ICBMs.
America is now a net exporter of energy.
There's a few...

Most of the things you list are on the same track they have been for 5 years or more.
There's no real indication that "jobs are coming back" in any greater number than under Obama
Killing Obamacare is NOT a plus
The VA is right about where it was
ISIS is STILL a viable force
The tax cut...has ben a tax increase for WAY too many people and not much help for anyone not rich
NATO is doing exactly what it was doing before...but is now looking at OTHER than us for leadership
'NK is still producing Nukes
we HAVE been an energy exporter for a while and Trump has done NOTHING to change that

But hey...you're drinking the Orange Kool Aid so...

Yes, BUT MAGAman got his free toaster!

 

[MAGAman]

Just so we understand...list those successes?

Historically high employment.
Best GDP growth since Bush.
Best wage gains since Bush or before
Bringing back the MFG jobs that Obama sent overseas.
Killed the Obamacare tax on poor Americans.
Brought the VA back to decency.
Obamas Caliphate is destroyed.
Tax cut for virtually all taxpayers.
NATO Ally commitments to start defending themselves.
Moved Israeli embassy to the capital.
NK has stopped testing ICBMs.
America is now a net exporter of energy.
There's a few...

Most of the things you list are on the same track they have been for 5 years or more.
There's no real indication that "jobs are coming back" in any greater number than under Obama
Killing Obamacare is NOT a plus
The VA is right about where it was
ISIS is STILL a viable force
The tax cut...has ben a tax increase for WAY too many people and not much help for anyone not rich
NATO is doing exactly what it was doing before...but is now looking at OTHER than us for leadership
'NK is still producing Nukes
we HAVE been an energy exporter for a while and Trump has done NOTHING to change that

But hey...you're drinking the Orange Kool Aid so...

You think Obama's Godlike awesomness occurred 2 years after he left office, and mention KoolAid?

That's good....

 

[Lesh]

You think Obama's Godlike awesomness occurred 2 years after he left office, and mention KoolAid?

That's good....

No..I think...and statistics show...that the economic things you are so proud of began under Obama and continued at about the same pace

 

[AntonToo]

To some degree, a lot of people still support Trump is because there is no reasonable alternative. Nobody on the Right is going to unseat him or replace him until 2024, absent a health issue or he steps down. And IMHO there's not one reasonable Dem candidate to vote for, their party has moved so far to the Left that it is unsupportable for too many Americans.

Look, as a person, I do not like Trump at all. But most of his policies have been beneficial to the country as a whole; he's made some mistakes, some decisions that might've been hasty or bull-headed. But I have to put my personal feelings aside and decide which candidate I can support in 2020, and right now there's absolutely no one on the Left that I can support, all of them are talking about irresponsible foolishness, again IMHO. So, I'm left with Trump.

Why is Pence is not a reasonable alternative to you?

 

[MAGAman]

Why is Pence is not a reasonable alternative to you?

Pence is busy doing what he was elected to do. Like Trump.

 

[MAGAman]

No..I think...and statistics show...that the economic things you are so proud of began under Obama and continued at about the same pace

IOW, Trump has done better than Obama in every way. Got it.

Question for the trend-loving Obamabots: Given the fact that Obama signed deficits larger than POTUSs 1-43 combined (Doubling Bush43's combined deficits), who do you blame for the deficits Trump signed? Obama or Trump?

I'll be consistent and blame Trump. Others can have integrity or not.

 

[BWK]

There are two main theories of Trump’s support. One is that a large minority of Americans — 40 percent, give or take — are racist idiots. This theory is at least tacitly endorsed by the Democratic Party and the mainstream liberal media. The other is that a large majority of this large minority are good citizens with intelligible and legitimate opinions, who so resent being regarded as racist idiots that they’ll back Trump almost regardless. They may not admire the man, but he’s on their side, he vents their frustration, he afflicts the people who think so little of them — and that’s good enough.

It’s disappointing that Charlottesville hasn’t changed their minds — but then it hasn’t changed my mind either. I still think the first theory is absurd and the second theory basically correct. . . .

This sense that democratic politics is futile if not downright dangerous now infuses the worldview of the country’s cultural and intellectual establishment. Trump is routinely accused of being authoritarian and anti-democratic, despite the fact that he won the election and, so far, has been checked at every point and has achieved almost nothing in policy terms. (He might wish he were an authoritarian, but he sure hasn’t been allowed to function as one.) Many of his critics, on the other hand, are anti-democratic in a deeper sense: They appear to believe that a little less than half the country doesn’t deserve the vote.

The second theory — the correct theory — is a terrible indictment of the Democratic Party and much of the media. Why aren’t the intelligible and legitimate opinions of that large minority given a hearing? Why must their views be bundled reflexively into packages labelled “bigotry” and “stupidity”? Why can’t this large minority of the American people be accorded something other than pity or scorn?

Why People Still Support Trump

Because Democrats still can’t deal with losing, and a large part of belonging to the left is the satisfaction of feeling superior to ordinary Americans.

Republicans are the "ME" party, not the "WE THE PEOPLE" party. Which is why they are so racist. Those are their frustrations. It's actually quite simple.

 

[BWK]

OP, could the media be to blame for them to accurately label many of Trump's statements as racist. They're not forcing him to say these things, and do things like pardon a controversial racist authoritarian, Apario, BEFORE he was sentenced.

Would you prefer the ignore it and/or simply hush their mouth and pretend these things aren't happening?

If a large minority voted for Trump, although they KNOWINGLY recognize his racaist statements, isn't that on THEM and no one else?

You don't vote a racist in to prove you're NOT racist. At the least you don't vote a guy that happily and willingly panders to racists to prove that you're NOT a racist. I'm sorry, but your 2nd theory makes no sense.

Everyone knows the media is 95% leftist propaganda.
Think of the media as a department of the DNC and it all makes sense as to what they do.

Leftist propaganda doesn't yield 38 indictments. Law enforcement does.

 

[MAGAman]

Republicans are the "ME" party, not the "WE THE PEOPLE" party. Which is why they are so racist. Those are their frustrations. It's actually quite simple.

That's kinda dumb given the fact that Leftists are the only ones promoting identity politics.

You didn't think your point it before you spoke, did you?

 

[Centrista]

There are two main theories of Trump’s support. One is that a large minority of Americans — 40 percent, give or take — are racist idiots. This theory is at least tacitly endorsed by the Democratic Party and the mainstream liberal media. The other is that a large majority of this large minority are good citizens with intelligible and legitimate opinions, who so resent being regarded as racist idiots that they’ll back Trump almost regardless. They may not admire the man, but he’s on their side, he vents their frustration, he afflicts the people who think so little of them — and that’s good enough.

It’s disappointing that Charlottesville hasn’t changed their minds — but then it hasn’t changed my mind either. I still think the first theory is absurd and the second theory basically correct. . . .

This sense that democratic politics is futile if not downright dangerous now infuses the worldview of the country’s cultural and intellectual establishment. Trump is routinely accused of being authoritarian and anti-democratic, despite the fact that he won the election and, so far, has been checked at every point and has achieved almost nothing in policy terms. (He might wish he were an authoritarian, but he sure hasn’t been allowed to function as one.) Many of his critics, on the other hand, are anti-democratic in a deeper sense: They appear to believe that a little less than half the country doesn’t deserve the vote.

The second theory — the correct theory — is a terrible indictment of the Democratic Party and much of the media. Why aren’t the intelligible and legitimate opinions of that large minority given a hearing? Why must their views be bundled reflexively into packages labelled “bigotry” and “stupidity”? Why can’t this large minority of the American people be accorded something other than pity or scorn?

Why People Still Support Trump

Because Democrats still can’t deal with losing, and a large part of belonging to the left is the satisfaction of feeling superior to ordinary Americans.

There are two main theories of Trump’s support. One is that a large minority of Americans — 40 percent, give or take — are racist idiots. This theory is at least tacitly endorsed by the Democratic Party and the mainstream liberal media. The other is that a large majority of this large minority are good citizens with intelligible and legitimate opinions, who so resent being regarded as racist idiots that they’ll back Trump almost regardless. They may not admire the man, but he’s on their side, he vents their frustration, he afflicts the people who think so little of them — and that’s good enough.

It’s disappointing that Charlottesville hasn’t changed their minds — but then it hasn’t changed my mind either. I still think the first theory is absurd and the second theory basically correct. . . .

This sense that democratic politics is futile if not downright dangerous now infuses the worldview of the country’s cultural and intellectual establishment. Trump is routinely accused of being authoritarian and anti-democratic, despite the fact that he won the election and, so far, has been checked at every point and has achieved almost nothing in policy terms. (He might wish he were an authoritarian, but he sure hasn’t been allowed to function as one.) Many of his critics, on the other hand, are anti-democratic in a deeper sense: They appear to believe that a little less than half the country doesn’t deserve the vote.

The second theory — the correct theory — is a terrible indictment of the Democratic Party and much of the media. Why aren’t the intelligible and legitimate opinions of that large minority given a hearing? Why must their views be bundled reflexively into packages labelled “bigotry” and “stupidity”? Why can’t this large minority of the American people be accorded something other than pity or scorn?

Why People Still Support Trump

Because Democrats still can’t deal with losing, and a large part of belonging to the left is the satisfaction of feeling superior to ordinary Americans.

You mean 40% of people?

 

[AntonToo]

Why is Pence is not a reasonable alternative to you?

Pence is busy doing what he was elected to do. Like Trump.

...wtf? Pence was elected selected as a VP and it's his job to take on POTUS responsibilities in the event president is removed from office.

Now I'll repeat the question and you see if you can answer it:

What is it you think Pence can't do for you that Trump will?

 

[MAGAman]

...wtf? Pence was elected selected as a VP and it's his job to take on POTUS responsibilities in the event president is removed from office.

Now I'll repeat the question and you see if you can answer it:

What is it you think Pence can't do for you that Trump will?

Lots of people could do what Trump is doing. Some better. So what? Any idiot could have taken Obama's place as well. You think Pelosi is special?

Trump was elected POTUS. Pence was elected VPOTUS.

Trump's success isn't because he's brilliant. It's because he wants to MAGA. Trump's reelection campaign is going to be about American prosperity. Democrats will run on the "America sux" platform.

Obama could have done as well as Trump if he had wanted to. But he didn't.