auditor0007
Gold Member
I have always worked very hard for a living, and never expected a dime from another.
I too disagree with giving free hand outs... but let me ask you a few questions.
1. How is a baby that was going to be aborted going to be raised ( sorry the non-profits can not handle the huge amount it takes ) I have worked in this field.
2. If a family goes through a really hard time, don't you feel that a family deserves food and shelter for a short time?
3. When a non-insured person gets into a horrible accident, you feel that they should just die ?
I could go on
You're combing the needy with the idle when it comes to helping. I've never heard anyone say we shouldn't have a safety net. When generations of a family have been on the doles, you can see that it's no longer a safety net. Safety nets are temporary.
People over the years have failed to plan for their future. If it was understood that welfare is not a permanent way of life and that people were expected to work, more would make choices to ensure their own security, such as staying in school and avoiding the problems that tend to cause people to mess up their lives. Right now, the left wants to pick up the slack when people don't try. There are too many unwed teen moms, who are likely children of past unwed teen moms, who understand that welfare allowed their mom and maybe their grandparents to avoid work. I have worked with social services and it is amazing how many women get pregnant when their youngest children is nearing age 18. I've seen women with 8 children and the state isn't collecting child support from the father(s) because the woman claims not to know who the father is. Couldn't possibly be the guy she's lived with for 10 years.
It's a scam with certain people and we need to break the cycle.
I think all able bodied people should work while on welfare. If they can't find a regular job, the city should have them doing tasks, such as mowing lawns or shoveling snow. Parks need to be cleaned up, buildings need painting and there are other jobs tax payers currently pay city workers to do. With so many cities going broke, wouldn't you think that welfare recipients would feel better if they were earning their way instead of just taking? That's what I always hear, that they have no choice, so why not set up a system in a way that allows them to keep their pride?
Of course, many I met on welfare claim to be disabled (though their doctors rarely agree) and claim not to be able to do any work. Couldn't be that they've managed to avoid it for so long that the thought of committing to daily work scares them a little? It always amazed me when a woman would claim she couldn't even do simple jobs, yet also claimed to be a good mom to a half dozen children. I have children and keeping up with them is a lot harder than most jobs I've held.
When gang members and drug dealers are drawing welfare and still selling drugs on the side, it's time to kick them off the welfare wagon. When illegals are letting the tax payers raise their children while they work and get paid under the table and support Mexico's economy, time to send them home. When woman keep having children and keep claiming not to know who the father is so the state can collect child support, time to investigate the live-in boyfriend and do some paternity tests.
We also have parents who never bothered to discipline their children so the kids get falsely diagnosed with ADHD when they get to school. Parents get an extra check every month if the child is considered handicapped. I see a lot of suspicious cases where good parenting would solve the problem. Instead, the child is deemed challenged and they don't try hard. If you can be taken care of, why knock yourself out trying to improve your life. That's the tax payers' job.
That's the message being sent from Washington. Screw up, run to government and they will raid what's left of the tax payers money. It's an invitation.
While no one should go without, I think parents who don't take care of their children should lose custody. The parents can go without just long enough to learn that they need to step up to the plate and act like adults. This all has to stop somewhere.
I have met way too many people who have no business being on the doles. It's bad in the small community where I live, so I can imagine the total fraud that goes on all around the country.
I am sick of the left accusing people of being cold and uncaring when they state that welfare recipients should do more for themselves. The able bodied ones should be and too many don't. I have a problem with that.
If an uninsured person falls ill or has an accident, they will receive life saving treatment. Yes, there will be a bill. The person will receive that bill and has a choice to make payments on it or not. Maybe they'll never get it all paid off. But, if they start sending small payments, it shows good faith and if the millions of people across the country would make small payments on their medical bills, it would make a huge difference and might even save some hospitals from closing their doors. Nothing is free. It's a hardship for some to make payments on their bills. It's a hardship on many tax payers to have to pay other people's bills. All we can ask is that some put a little more effort toward their own welfare. Too many don't do that.
We all know darn well there are freeloaders who are experts at scamming the system. They would be the ones driving the nice vehicles, living in a nice government house and using their EBT cards to purchase expensive things like tattoos, nail salon, cigarettes, big TVs and gambling. There is no excuse for the things people are buying with money given for the benefit of children and families.
Helping others truly in need makes people feel good. Getting drained by people who just don't want to work sucks and feels horrible. None of us like getting taken advantage of, but that is happening.
The problem I see with many cons is that they are so very detached from reality. I live in an area that is not doing so well, but people do work. A lot of them in this area work for minimum wage because that is all they can find. They have kids and work second jobs and struggle to get by. Some of them also get food stamps and are on SCHIP because they don't get benefits with their minimum wage jobs.
I realize there are some out there taking advantage or who are lifers to the public dole, but their numbers aren't near what you would think. It's just a pisser that we can't weed those people out. The difference is that I don't believe we should drop the safety net for all those who are trying and who desperately need it so that we can cut off the few who we don't care for who are taking advantage of the system. Many on the conservative side would just love to shut it all down because they can't stand the idea of someone getting a free check.