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What will it take to get the idiot liberal Dumbocrat to understand that nothing is "free". When someone gets food stamps, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets subsidized housing, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets free healthcare, someone else is forced to provide it.
When one labors and the fruits of those labor are given to another by force, there is a term for that - it's called SLAVERY. Leave it to the Dumbocrats to advocate slavery.
It begs the question though: why does the idiot liberal Dumbocrat advocate for free everything except the market?!?!
While you're absolutely correct that "nothing is free", I do think that it's constitutionally appropriate for STATES to provide whatever welfare services they deem appropriate. What ends up running away with us are FEDERAL programs. Even if it weren't for the fact that they're not constitutionally valid, and I don't believe that they are regardless of any previous SC rulings... there's no way to limit them.
Welfare programs at the State level are subject to market forces. Their growth is limited organically. Because States don't have printing presses in order to create more dollars, and most do have balanced budget amendments to their constitutions, they have little choice but to limit the size and scope of welfare programs to what they can afford. What's more, is they are subject to competition from other States for revenue dollars, each needing to attract businesses and citizens. That necessitates balance between appropriate taxation and public services. If you allow the taxes to climb too high, producers leave. If you allow the infrastructure to crumble, producers leave. If you allow blight and poverty with poor schools, homelessness, and criminality, producers leave. Reaching the right balance is crucial to keeping a steady revenue pool. And at the State level, sure... we'll have some doing it better than others, but no one state will sink the rest.
What this country truly needs most is to limit the size and scope of FEDERAL government. We need to be following the U.S. Constitution as it was meant to be. We need to undo the many depredations upon it which have given unintended powers to the federal government.
They shoud be helped by people that we willing to give to them, not by forcing people to give to them.1. How is a baby that was going to be aborted going to be raised.
They shoud be helped by people that we willing to give to them, not by forcing people to give to them.2. If a family goes through a really hard time, don't you feel that a family deserves food and shelter for a short time?
They shoud be helped by people that we willing to give to them, not by forcing people to give to them.3. When a non-insured person gets into a horrible accident, you feel that they should just die ?
A swing and a miss. TARP has been repaid, at a profit no less, by the banks. It's the money we put out to GM and Chrysler that's not coming back. And entitlement programs eat up two-thirds of our federal budget, meaning that any dollar which can be appropriated by Congress for spending can only come from the remaining one-third.
Of course it will be paid back, especially if you believe government accounting, and especially when you realize that many of the bailed out financial institutions get practically free Fed money to loan out. But that isn't the point. The point is how the money was used - to help Wall Street recapitalize and sustain it's system of bonuses-for-bad-risk-takers rather than moving the money into the wider economy. This isn't partisan. The fact that Ryan and the Tea Party are against TARP when they need to foment hatred against government is funny and odd, given that other parts of the Right support it. One of the largest culprits for making sure the policy benefited the banks to the exclusion of homeowners is Obama's Geithner (who, because he works for Obama, is supposed to be a socialists who robs from the private sector banks and gives to the poor. Right?)
But I agree with you. It is crucial to recognize that the private sector needs Big Government bailouts. And it needs (craves) Big Government FDIC insurance. I wrote part of my thesis on how global capital flows into the USA pharmaceutical R&D. The reason being the Big Government Patent system which protects those investments. Some countries lack such a powerful patent system where big government protects your product from market competitors. Point is: John Galt loves the protection and help he gets from Big Government. He lobby like a sonofabitch for all da help he'z can git. He loves taking risks when he has a big government safety net. Milton Friedman preaches against ANY government help, subsidies, patents, regulations and bailouts in order to make everyone feel like they're practicing that ol' time free market religion, but every time you poke behind the curtain you see ol' Johnny Galt with his hand in the cookie jar, soaking up that big brother love.
Monday on "CBS This Morning," Barofsky said, "They captured regulators' ideology. ... What I saw with TARP, is that it went from a program that was supposed to help Main Street - reinvigorate the economy, restart lending and help struggling homeowners - turn into a program that really only served the financial elites on Wall Street."
Though Barofsky says TARP deserves credit for stopping the financial collapse of the U.S. economy, he said the program was intended to do more.
"When you think about it, throwing a few hundred billion dollars at the largest banks and trillions of dollars of other support just to preserve what is essentially a broken status quo that benefits really the financial executives, ... wouldn't be that impressive," Barofsky said.
"That's why Congress insisted and Treasury promised more, that the banks would take this money and use it to deploy it into the economy and bring back economic growth, which hasn't happened because of the way it was mismanaged. They promised -- and TARP doesn't get passed but for the promise to help struggling homeowners and the foreclosure crisis. Democrats in Congress are not going to pass that bill without that promise. And that promise was abandoned. And the reason why is, again, the interests of the bank were always put first."
Barofsky says Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, in particular, is to blame for the mishandling of TARP. "Among other things, he presided over, made the policy choices to put the banks before homeowners. He oversaw a policy that saw our largest banks, the too-big-to-fail institutions get bigger than ever and more powerful, more politically connected. ... Where we are in the economy today is partly the responsibility of Secretary Geithner and the bad policy choices that he has made."
The banks have already paid it back, with interest. What's more, there were some, like BB&T, which were already well capitalized, in no danger whatsoever, and were forced to not only take those loans, but to pay them back and tolerate the same kind of government interference as the bad players. Meanwhile back at the ranch.. the worst case of cronyism is exemplified by the GM/Chrysler bailout that Obama and Democrats are touting on the campaign trail, when they set aside traditional laws regarding bankruptcy in order to bail out the UAW.
And of course... NOTHING has been done to control the spiraling costs of our entitlement system. Instead, they added another gargantuan program, which to date is expected to cost THREE TIMES more than they said it would.
Yeah... there's some partisan problems there.
What will it take to get the idiot liberal Dumbocrat to understand that nothing is "free". When someone gets food stamps, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets subsidized housing, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets free healthcare, someone else is forced to provide it.
When one labors and the fruits of those labor are given to another by force, there is a term for that - it's called SLAVERY. Leave it to the Dumbocrats to advocate slavery.
It begs the question though: why does the idiot liberal Dumbocrat advocate for free everything except the market?!?!
I must be a horrible person, forcing people to provide a roof over the heads of others, food in everyones belly, and welfare to help struggling families.
The shame I should feel!
I have always worked very hard for a living, and never expected a dime from another.
I too disagree with giving free hand outs... but let me ask you a few questions.
1. How is a baby that was going to be aborted going to be raised ( sorry the non-profits can not handle the huge amount it takes ) I have worked in this field.
2. If a family goes through a really hard time, don't you feel that a family deserves food and shelter for a short time?
3. When a non-insured person gets into a horrible accident, you feel that they should just die ?
I could go on
he'd rather we had debtors prisons and workhouses like dickensian england.
Funny we don't have debtor's prisons except for the IRS. The government can put you in jail for not paying taxes but you can't go to jail for not paying your bills. Do you agree it's OK for the government to have debtor's prison??
to benefit all of us
Ah yes, the ignorant battle cry of the idiot communist. You know what would "benefit us ALL", asshole? Ending the dependent parasites like you. Forcing you parasites to get up off of your lazy ass and provide for yourselves.
What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?
Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?
Is this your view of America?
to benefit all of us
Ah yes, the ignorant battle cry of the idiot communist. You know what would "benefit us ALL", asshole? Ending the dependent parasites like you. Forcing you parasites to get up off of your lazy ass and provide for yourselves.
What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?
Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?
Is this your view of America?
Freedom aint free, and it's called taxes.
That might justify the military, but what do Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and food stamps have to do with freedom.
The wealthy already pay far more than their "fair share."
Bitching about taxes because it isn't "free" is the most idiotic thing I've seen all week, but then again, Republicans like to avoid taxes. Just look at mittens.
Why else would you bitch about taxes? Here's the bottom line: taxation is theft. No one is entitled to live by taking money from another at gun point. disguising the robbery with the trappings of democracy only fools the gullible.
1. Bush Era tax breaks are STILL ACTIVE, which means tax breaks for the wealthy and Corporations.
2. It's one's obligation to pay taxes. It's what keeps this nation running. If you don't like it, blame our founding fathers and get out. Freedom aint free. And we need to work on making everyone pay their fair share and then focus on other important issues.
Tax is not theft.
But it works for you to hate on the wealthy who already pay the majority of the income tax burden.. If 47% of voters pay zero income tax and 1% are in the highest bracket, it makes electoral sense to pit the 47 against the 1. It's immaterial that it's dishonest. It buys votes which is all that matters to Liberals.
For forcing your version of morality on others?What will it take to get the idiot liberal Dumbocrat to understand that nothing is "free". When someone gets food stamps, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets subsidized housing, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets free healthcare, someone else is forced to provide it.
When one labors and the fruits of those labor are given to another by force, there is a term for that - it's called SLAVERY. Leave it to the Dumbocrats to advocate slavery.
It begs the question though: why does the idiot liberal Dumbocrat advocate for free everything except the market?!?!
I must be a horrible person, forcing people to provide a roof over the heads of others, food in everyones belly, and welfare to help struggling families.
The shame I should feel!
What will it take to get the idiot liberal Dumbocrat to understand that nothing is "free". When someone gets food stamps, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets subsidized housing, someone else is forced to provide it. When someone gets free healthcare, someone else is forced to provide it.
When one labors and the fruits of those labor are given to another by force, there is a term for that - it's called SLAVERY. Leave it to the Dumbocrats to advocate slavery.
It begs the question though: why does the idiot liberal Dumbocrat advocate for free everything except the market?!?!
he'd rather we had debtors prisons and workhouses like dickensian england.
Funny we don't have debtor's prisons except for the IRS. The government can put you in jail for not paying taxes but you can't go to jail for not paying your bills. Do you agree it's OK for the government to have debtor's prison??
the IRS doesn't have debtors prison. you go to jail for dodging taxes because you violate the law.
so your premise, as usual, is nonsense.
I witnessed socialism on display in Germany when a local bar had "American Buffett" night on Thursday nights to draw in crowds to pay for beer, watch soccer and eat FREE American food.
The food was chicken wings, jalapeno poppers, etc and......CHEESEBURGERS. The cheeseburger plate was empty when I went through the line so I headed back a second time once they brought up about 20 cheeseburgers......well, about 8 people stole 20 cheeseburgers before we could get to the plate.
You see since they were FREE and the best food in the place, people took 2-3 of them for themselves or for their table instead of sharing with others. Now, if they had to pay $4 per cheeseburger then they would have 1 maybe 2 tops for the night.
Free stuff when provided to people will be gobbled up and stolen before others in line get to it.
Republicans only care about money going into their pockets.
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And complaining about paying taxes. Or not paying them at all.
Lol, yep. Just look at the tax breaks for the higher up and corps, which account for nearly $1,000,000,000,000 in our federal deficit.
Better yet, we could lift all tax exemption statuses on all churches who break the law and put that tax towards nasa, getting more shit done for science and to benefit all of us instead of praying to a false hope and ideology for the US to go back to a medievil state with barbaric, religiously motivated laws.
Jill is not a "mooch" dickhead......and you havent "dismantled anyone....well maybe in your mind you have.....but after seeing the shit you post....i dont think so....he'd rather we had debtors prisons and workhouses like dickensian england.
Exactly! "Debtors prisons" and "workhouses" is 1,000x's better than having parasite mooches like you taking the American people for all they have and collapsing this once great nation. God forbid we have personal accountability & responsibility, right mooch?
Further more, the idiot liberal like you make such absurd extreme positions. It's either communism or death for the poor in your minds. As if people without insurance can't be put on payment plans and required to pay back their debts, no matter how long it takes.
So much easier to just STEAL from another and force them into SLAVERY, right Jillian?
Once again we find you making weak, uneducated "points" and me thoroughly dismantling them. Doesn't this get tired/embarassing for you ever?
he'd rather we had debtors prisons and workhouses like dickensian england.
Funny we don't have debtor's prisons except for the IRS. The government can put you in jail for not paying taxes but you can't go to jail for not paying your bills. Do you agree it's OK for the government to have debtor's prison??
The majority of the people filling our prisons are because of our archaic War on Drugs laws
to benefit all of us
Ah yes, the ignorant battle cry of the idiot communist. You know what would "benefit us ALL", asshole? Ending the dependent parasites like you. Forcing you parasites to get up off of your lazy ass and provide for yourselves.
What do you think should be the fate of dependent parasites in this country?
Living in cardboard boxes? Dumster diving for food? Going from door to door asking for handouts? Dying in the streets for lack of medical care?
Is this your view of America?
And complaining about paying taxes. Or not paying them at all.
Lol, yep. Just look at the tax breaks for the higher up and corps, which account for nearly $1,000,000,000,000 in our federal deficit.
Better yet, we could lift all tax exemption statuses on all churches who break the law and put that tax towards nasa, getting more shit done for science and to benefit all of us instead of praying to a false hope and ideology for the US to go back to a medievil state with barbaric, religiously motivated laws.
There is no excuse for tax free churches. Its obscene that most sit empty all week so that, on Sunday, the believers can feel all self-righteous if they TALK about hungry children.
Rs TALK about how bad sharia law is while trying to turn us into a country of sharia laws.
Children, elderly, vets, mentally ill and more - rw's don't care. The most you'll hear is that "they shouldn't have had the kid in the first place" or other idiotic and cold-blooded crap.
They won't be happy until we have soup kitchens and bread lines.
Jill is not a "mooch" dickhead......and you havent "dismantled anyone....well maybe in your mind you have.....but after seeing the shit you post....i dont think so....he'd rather we had debtors prisons and workhouses like dickensian england.
Exactly! "Debtors prisons" and "workhouses" is 1,000x's better than having parasite mooches like you taking the American people for all they have and collapsing this once great nation. God forbid we have personal accountability & responsibility, right mooch?
Further more, the idiot liberal like you make such absurd extreme positions. It's either communism or death for the poor in your minds. As if people without insurance can't be put on payment plans and required to pay back their debts, no matter how long it takes.
So much easier to just STEAL from another and force them into SLAVERY, right Jillian?
Once again we find you making weak, uneducated "points" and me thoroughly dismantling them. Doesn't this get tired/embarassing for you ever?
