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Good stuff, thanks.First, there will clearly continue to be significant short-term pain as we (ever so slowly) come to grips with the fact that millions of people are simply no longer needed at their jobs due to advances in technology. Their skills are literally becoming obsolete, more so by the day, and many of the them might very well never return to the income and productivity levels of their past. So it's incumbent on us to (a) recognize this cold fact, and (b) consciously choose to either help them in some way or let them founder and rot.
I totally agree. This is an oncoming crisis and it seems few are even thinking about it.
Second, my fear is that this process will take far longer than it has to, because it will inevitably become hyper-politicized like everything else - meaning over-simplified, dumbed down and bumper-stickerized by both political ends. The damage done while this process plays out will almost certainly be incalculable. Some out-of-the-box thinking and true intellectual curiosity are badly needed here, and clearly both are in terribly short supply in contemporary American politics.
Yes, we simply MUST get back to the old paradigm of the Early Enlightenment Classic Liberal and Classic Conservative (Burke Conservative) engaging in open discussion and coming to resolutions that identify the interests of all parties and respect them. Our current polarized paradigm of the far right vrs the far left is taking us into a current heading to disaster as we cannot agree to let anyone take the rudder.
Edmund Burke was liberal enough in his day to support the American Revolution and yet conservative enough to oppose the French Revolution which he correctly identified as very different in essence and axioms. We need more of his kind of conservative, and more of the Jeffersonian kind of liberal.
Third, finally, the good side: Isn't technology doing precisely what we have always wanted, bringing down costs, increasing productivity and making lives easier for end users? This could translate, if we let it, if we use our heads, into an entirely new way of looking at how we work and earn a living. The first thought that comes to mind is a shorter work week, job sharing, and the base income you describe. Imagine technology allowing for a higher standard of living on the low end AND a 20-hour work week.
Again, I totally agree. We have a future Technological Utopia that will give us a life of leisure where people can make most of what they need and can barter for most of the rest with others who also make things. What cash will be needed could be obtained from the occasional part time job.
The challenge is getting us all from the present situation where so many of us depend on having a job and career for peace of mind, to the Utopia where this wont be necessary and not have an intervening civil war.
We could move towards a Jetsons-like future if we could just get along like adults.
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Well some of us will see it, but just how many of us?
The more the merrier I say.
And you really think that your attitude here is conducive to reasonable discussion with that polarizing rhetoric that casts ALL the blame on one side?Where you go wrong is where you often go wrong. You know as well as I do that one side of the political spectrum is more likely to endeavor to get along like adults and be open to making the needed adjustments. One side is more likely to dig their heels in and balk at the idea that people will be lazy freeloaders and it's tough titties if they can't make enough money to feed themselves and their families. One side is way more likely to "bumper stickerize" a given issue.
When one side acts the fool and doesn't have any intention of working with the other side....you just can't point fingers of condemnation at both sides.
Now....be sure and say that you predicted my reply and that I am a perfect example of someone who wants to politicize this issue. You know....because I responded to your comment about politicization.
You need to open your eyes and realize that the side that shuts down discussion of almost any topic with accusations of racism and homophobia is as much in the wrong as their opposites who think everyone else is a lazy bum.
Eventually the adults will take control and put the bad children in time out so the rest of us can resume finding solutions to problems.Regarding going back to "the old paradigm of the Early Enlightenment Classic Liberal and Classic Conservative (Burke Conservative) engaging in open discussion and coming to resolutions that identify the interests of all parties and respect them", well, I think we're significantly closer to falling apart, literally, than we are to returning to that. Sadly.
Meanwhile, the days and years go by, and we're addressing your OP.
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You just did the polarizing rhetorical rhumbah that proves my point, dude.And you really think that your attitude here is conducive to reasonable discussion with that polarizing rhetoric that casts ALL the blame on one side?Where you go wrong is where you often go wrong. You know as well as I do that one side of the political spectrum is more likely to endeavor to get along like adults and be open to making the needed adjustments. One side is more likely to dig their heels in and balk at the idea that people will be lazy freeloaders and it's tough titties if they can't make enough money to feed themselves and their families. One side is way more likely to "bumper stickerize" a given issue.
When one side acts the fool and doesn't have any intention of working with the other side....you just can't point fingers of condemnation at both sides.
Now....be sure and say that you predicted my reply and that I am a perfect example of someone who wants to politicize this issue. You know....because I responded to your comment about politicization.
You need to open your eyes and realize that the side that shuts down discussion of almost any topic with accusations of racism and homophobia is as much in the wrong as their opposites who think everyone else is a lazy bum.
Yeah...except my side doesn't do that. That's your imagination.
You just did the polarizing rhetorical rhumbah that proves my point, dude.And you really think that your attitude here is conducive to reasonable discussion with that polarizing rhetoric that casts ALL the blame on one side?Where you go wrong is where you often go wrong. You know as well as I do that one side of the political spectrum is more likely to endeavor to get along like adults and be open to making the needed adjustments. One side is more likely to dig their heels in and balk at the idea that people will be lazy freeloaders and it's tough titties if they can't make enough money to feed themselves and their families. One side is way more likely to "bumper stickerize" a given issue.
When one side acts the fool and doesn't have any intention of working with the other side....you just can't point fingers of condemnation at both sides.
Now....be sure and say that you predicted my reply and that I am a perfect example of someone who wants to politicize this issue. You know....because I responded to your comment about politicization.
You need to open your eyes and realize that the side that shuts down discussion of almost any topic with accusations of racism and homophobia is as much in the wrong as their opposites who think everyone else is a lazy bum.
Yeah...except my side doesn't do that. That's your imagination.
Agreed, and here's hoping.Eventually the adults will take control and put the bad children in time out so the rest of us can resume finding solutions to problems.Regarding going back to "the old paradigm of the Early Enlightenment Classic Liberal and Classic Conservative (Burke Conservative) engaging in open discussion and coming to resolutions that identify the interests of all parties and respect them", well, I think we're significantly closer to falling apart, literally, than we are to returning to that. Sadly.
Meanwhile, the days and years go by, and we're addressing your OP.
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I think a huge part of that process will be to greatly reduce the influence of for-profit corporations in the discussion.
Eventually the adults will take control and put the bad children in time out so the rest of us can resume finding solutions to problems.Regarding going back to "the old paradigm of the Early Enlightenment Classic Liberal and Classic Conservative (Burke Conservative) engaging in open discussion and coming to resolutions that identify the interests of all parties and respect them", well, I think we're significantly closer to falling apart, literally, than we are to returning to that. Sadly.
Meanwhile, the days and years go by, and we're addressing your OP.
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I think a huge part of that process will be to greatly reduce the influence of for-profit corporations in the discussion.
Eventually the adults will take control and put the bad children in time out so the rest of us can resume finding solutions to problems.Regarding going back to "the old paradigm of the Early Enlightenment Classic Liberal and Classic Conservative (Burke Conservative) engaging in open discussion and coming to resolutions that identify the interests of all parties and respect them", well, I think we're significantly closer to falling apart, literally, than we are to returning to that. Sadly.
Meanwhile, the days and years go by, and we're addressing your OP.
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I think a huge part of that process will be to greatly reduce the influence of for-profit corporations in the discussion.
And....you are one of the adults?
Forced Sterilization is the answer. Don't allow poor people to produce more poor people.That's the thing. At some point we'll have to divorce our thinking from things like socialism and communism and look at the reality.Star Trek is socialist fiction. That being said, if we could do most all of our manufacturing with replicators as on Star Trek, socialism might just work pretty well.
I don't see how this is not inevitable. There are millions of people who are being "technologied" out of the workforce. We can just let them rot or we can start looking at new ideas.
Socialism and communism, and even capitalism, could be becoming obsolete due to advances in technology.
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Forced Sterilization is the answer. Don't allow poor people to produce more poor people.That's the thing. At some point we'll have to divorce our thinking from things like socialism and communism and look at the reality.Star Trek is socialist fiction. That being said, if we could do most all of our manufacturing with replicators as on Star Trek, socialism might just work pretty well.
I don't see how this is not inevitable. There are millions of people who are being "technologied" out of the workforce. We can just let them rot or we can start looking at new ideas.
Socialism and communism, and even capitalism, could be becoming obsolete due to advances in technology.
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Forced Sterilization is the answer. Don't allow poor people to produce more poor people.
Stupidity and ignorance, on the other hand, are bone deep and enduring. If anyone, it's the country's clods are whom we should sterilize...Either that or take more seriously the principles of social Darwinism. I don't personally have a preference on which approach be used.
Stupidity and ignorance, on the other hand, are bone deep and enduring. If anyone, it's the country's clods are whom we should sterilize...Either that or take more seriously the principles of social Darwinism. I don't personally have a preference on which approach be used.
That sounds like eugenics. Genetic engineering is a much better approach.
When we are all Super human, there wont be any need for eugenics.
Humans 'will become God-like cyborgs within 200 years'
Is technology causing us to evolve into a new SPECIES?
You can't solve the problem by giving poor people money if there are infinite poor people.Forced Sterilization is the answer. Don't allow poor people to produce more poor people.
Giving the government the authority to violate peoples basic human rights like that is far worse then the problem it is attempting to address.
Then we'll be fighting over parts, screws, nuts, bolts, and fuel. The poor will be rust buckets.Stupidity and ignorance, on the other hand, are bone deep and enduring. If anyone, it's the country's clods are whom we should sterilize...Either that or take more seriously the principles of social Darwinism. I don't personally have a preference on which approach be used.
That sounds like eugenics. Genetic engineering is a much better approach.
When we are all Super human, there wont be any need for eugenics.
Humans 'will become God-like cyborgs within 200 years'
Is technology causing us to evolve into a new SPECIES?
Actually, and I know it is counter-intuitive, but once people feel secure and in a middle class life style their birthrate drops.You can't solve the problem by giving poor people money if there are infinite poor people.
You feed a feral cat, what does it do, it has babies that need to be fed.
You can't solve the problem as long as they keep breeding.
Welfare for everybody, nobody works, everybody starves.
Sounds great.
Then we'll be fighting over parts, screws, nuts, bolts, and fuel. The poor will be rust buckets.Stupidity and ignorance, on the other hand, are bone deep and enduring. If anyone, it's the country's clods are whom we should sterilize...Either that or take more seriously the principles of social Darwinism. I don't personally have a preference on which approach be used.
That sounds like eugenics. Genetic engineering is a much better approach.
When we are all Super human, there wont be any need for eugenics.
Humans 'will become God-like cyborgs within 200 years'
Is technology causing us to evolve into a new SPECIES?
