Why Left Wingers HATE the Electoral College !!!

[Dr Grump]

there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

Moronic question.

The Electoral College was placed to prevent unequal representations in election for President.
The fact that populous states with large democrat voting population centers cannot decide the presidential election on their own infuriates you liberal.
How just would it be if New York. California, Illinois, Washington and Oregon could decide who gets to be president all by themselves while the rest of our votes don't mean shit?

Um, I'm not a liberal for a start. Only in looney, neo-con right-wing whackjob America am I considered such. To the rest of the normal world, my political leanings are centrist.

Now, on to the subject. I don't have a problem with EC per se, just how it is handled. I think the EC vote in each state should be split via the vote count in each state. As for the biggest states 'deciding', they already do because they have more EC votes than smaller states. I would argue your last four fed elections have come down to Ohio and Florida.

However, now that you have brought up the smaller states having a say, taking it to the nth degree, do you think it OK that the 1 million people living in Montana have two Senators whose votes equal those of two senators who represent the 19.5 million New Yorkers? Doesn't that then send the balance too far to the minority?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives love the Federal government and hate states.

There is not a single state that would have ratified the Constitution if they saw what a mockery Progressive have made of the system

 

[Dr Grump]

Progressives love the Federal government and hate states.

There is not a single state that would have ratified the Constitution if they saw what a mockery Progressive have made of the system

I love the term progressives..

I love the antonym more

It's called being a luddite...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

and what's funny is they don't understand why it would trouble some of us that they vote land that has more power per vote than the votes of people.

How did you become a "lawyer" when you don't even have a Reading Rainbow understanding of our system of government? How?

 

[Contumacious]

I am firmly for the 17th Amendment,

One people, one Empire, One Leader

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[Dr Grump]

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

and what's funny is they don't understand why it would trouble some of us that they vote land that has more power per vote than the votes of people.

How did you become a "lawyer" when you don't even have a Reading Rainbow understanding of our system of government? How?

Where in her post do you get the impression she doesn't understand it?

Here's a hint: Disagreeing with some of its tenets doesn't mean she doesn't understand it...

Not liking Tiger Woods doesn't equate to him not being a good golfer..capice?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

and what's funny is they don't understand why it would trouble some of us that they vote land that has more power per vote than the votes of people.

How did you become a "lawyer" when you don't even have a Reading Rainbow understanding of our system of government? How?

Where in her post do you get the impression she doesn't understand it?

Here's a hint: Disagreeing with some of its tenets doesn't mean she doesn't understand it...

Not liking Tiger Woods doesn't equate to him not being a good golfer..capice?

The Founders knew EXACTLY what they were doing by having the electoral college SPECIFICALLY so that citizens in sparsely populated states would have a voice.

Again, how does she not seem to know that?

 

[Dr Grump]

How did you become a "lawyer" when you don't even have a Reading Rainbow understanding of our system of government? How?

Where in her post do you get the impression she doesn't understand it?

Here's a hint: Disagreeing with some of its tenets doesn't mean she doesn't understand it...

Not liking Tiger Woods doesn't equate to him not being a good golfer..capice?

The Founders knew EXACTLY what they were doing by having the electoral college SPECIFICALLY so that citizens in sparsely states would have a voice.

Again, how does she not seem to know that?

Is it possible to speak s-l-o-w-l-y in cyberspace.
Say this to yourself slowly and you might get it.

She does know it, she just disagrees with it.

You folk put too much stock in 200+ year old dead guys...

 

[Jebril]

Well when we consider the fact this nation is not even designed as a true democracy but rather as a Republic we begin to understand why things are the way they are.

I don't like the electoral college however it addresses one problem by going with a majority wins rule. 200 thousand people vote in a state, 100 vote in one way the other 80 vote in another way and 20 vote in different other ways.

But only 100,000 of those votes will even matter the others are negated, if this was indeed suppose to be a Republic then their votes would matter. We need a system similar to the primaries and caucuses. I prefer the caucuses more because it's very local and people have to give a shit for their candidate to get elected.

Now a days you lazy folks just walk over a hit a button on those Diebold machines (those have been proven to be easily hackable BTW without a trace or clue left) without having a clue what you're voting for.

I would recommend watching Hacking Democracy however and seeing how 'real' our elections are.

 

[jillian]

Where in her post do you get the impression she doesn't understand it?

Here's a hint: Disagreeing with some of its tenets doesn't mean she doesn't understand it...

Not liking Tiger Woods doesn't equate to him not being a good golfer..capice?

The Founders knew EXACTLY what they were doing by having the electoral college SPECIFICALLY so that citizens in sparsely states would have a voice.

Again, how does she not seem to know that?

Is it possible to speak s-l-o-w-l-y in cyberspace.
Say this to yourself slowly and you might get it.

She does know it, she just disagrees with it.

You folk put too much stock in 200+ year old dead guys...

frank's not very bright. and i think he forgets that there weren't 50 states when the founders were doing their thing. I think he also forgets what was intended for an agrarian society of white, male, landed gentry, doesn't necessarily work for today.

Or maybe he's just too dumb to understand that if NY has 29 electoral votes that represent X number of people and North Dakota has 3 electoral votes that represent X-20 people per electoral vote, that North Dakota voters, as individuals, have more power.

Or he's a compulsive liar.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[daveman]

Progressives love the Federal government and hate states.

There is not a single state that would have ratified the Constitution if they saw what a mockery Progressive have made of the system

I love the term progressives..

I love the antonym more

It's called being a luddite...

Hardly. Progressives want the US to "progress" to the condition of the USSR circa 1958.

Do you see that as progress? Because it's not.

 

[xotoxi]

I'd like to see more states do it like ME and NE, where the electoral votes are divided by district won while the final two go to the popular winner in the state. I think that might bring the tally closer to the national popular vote while still keeping things balanced.

 

[FA_Q2]

actually, he's dead on right,

Actually, you're an uneducated dolt.

Without the EC, 48 out of 50 states could be denied any voice in the process of electing the president.

You see cretin, when this nation was formed, the less populace states rightly were concerned that the more populace ones would run roughshod over them. There was little advantage in trading the rule of London for the rule of Philadelphia. The electoral college is the means of giving voice to all the states. Each state elects the president, independent of all other states. Based on the result of each state's election, electors are sent to cast the will of the voters in the many states. As such, every state has a voice in the process.

Look, I realize that this is far beyond your ability to grasp.

That is simply not true though. The facts are that the college RARELY differs from the popular vote. That alone suggest that there will be little difference in the actual elections. Add that to the fact that populous states DO matter and they matter far more with the electoral college because even if CA votes 60 - 40, the democrat is always going to get the 40% that voted for the other guy. CA alone would give a great incentive for the GOP to actually get rid of the electoral college. I have also read a few studies (unfortunately I cannot locate a link ATM but I will look later) that essentially conclude presidential politics would have very few changes in the way they conduct business. The 'battlegrounds' would change but the general makeup of them would not. Rural communities would still have similar influence in elections as they currently do. All in all, there is no reason to abolish the college simply because there is a negligible effect of actually doing so. Why go through the hassle of changing the constitution when there is nothing gained?

 

[Cowman]

Along with wishing the 17th amendment was repealed, Conservatives LOVE the Electoral College.

It's not just conservatives. The 17th Amendment should be repealed. It's passage essentially nullified the reason for the Senate existing in the first place.

Seems they don't want democracy ANYWHERE near the United States of America.

You're right. I don't want democracy because democracy is a poor form of government. That's why we were set up to be a Republic.

But you you know, now that I come to think of it , by abolishing the electoral college some one like Obama would not hesitate to admit that he is a fucking socialist - rural Americans would have no choice but take arms and bring about the Second American revolution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL.

You'd be dead in no time.

That's what happens to radicals like you who try to fuck with America with armed violence against its citizens.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

and what's funny is they don't understand why it would trouble some of us that they vote land that has more power per vote than the votes of people.

Did I upset the little ignorant Neo-Nazi?

Poor Jilly, such big opinions and such thin skin, not a good mix

 

[Contumacious]

I am firmly for the 17th Amendment, and I firmly support the Electoral College.

I am firmly for anything that prevents the stupidest people from taking over the country...

but I 'spect it's too late for that...

That was the intent of the Constitution (1787)

We hold these truths to be self-evident,

that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

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[Cowman]

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

and what's funny is they don't understand why it would trouble some of us that they vote land that has more power per vote than the votes of people.

Did I upset the little ignorant Neo-Nazi?

Poor Jilly, such big opinions and such thin skin, not a good mix

What kind of stupid shit is this you're posting Frank? God damn man.

 

[Sallow]

Gotta love the "most Americans are conservative" crowd. Except when it comes to actually counting the votes..then they want the kludge of the electoral college.



Guess most Americans aren't conservative..

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone who has trouble with lthe 17th AMendment does not know or understand the American narrative, much less the Constitution

 

[Nosmo King]

I am firmly for the 17th Amendment, and I firmly support the Electoral College.

I am firmly for anything that prevents the stupidest people from taking over the country...

but I 'spect it's too late for that...

That was the intent of the Constitution (1787)

We hold these truths to be self-evident,

that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

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You are a poor student. You quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.