Why Left Wingers HATE the Electoral College !!!

[Uncensored2008]

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

No dummy, 50 states have a say in the selection of the POTUS, even though you think most states are "yucky" and should shut up and obey.

The EC makes the election of a president regional. Each state is independent in the election, then they cast a weighted vote, based on the number of House members, for the final election.

It allows all states a stake in the process.

You leftists view denying a voice to 48 out of 50 states as the mark of "democracy."

 

[Contumacious]

Left wingers as a group don't 'hate' the electoral college, neither do right wingers as a group. There's pros and cons to both systems, and supporters and dissenters from both philosophies.

I said the same thing to the OP who claimed right-wingers were 'afraid of' the electoral college or some such noise.

Well, that is my point precisely.

We dot not want a nation controlled by religious right wingers or Marxist left wingers.

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[jillian]

there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

and what's funny is they don't understand why it would trouble some of us that they vote land that has more power per vote than the votes of people.

 

[jillian]

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

No dummy, 50 states have a say in the selection of the POTUS, even though you think most states are "yucky" and should shut up and obey.

The EC makes the election of a president regional. Each state is independent in the election, then they cast a weighted vote, based on the number of House members, for the final election.

It allows all states a stake in the process.

You leftists view denying a voice to 48 out of 50 states as the mark of "democracy."

actually, he's dead on right,

and you calling anyone dummy is hysterical.

 

[Dr Grump]

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

No dummy, 50 states have a say in the selection of the POTUS, even though you think most states are "yucky" and should shut up and obey.

The EC makes the election of a president regional. Each state is independent in the election, then they cast a weighted vote, based on the number of House members, for the final election.

It allows all states a stake in the process.

You leftists view denying a voice to 48 out of 50 states as the mark of "democracy."

I get how your system works numbskull.....

 

[Contumacious]

Unanamous ratification is not required. Why would you say otherwise?

Article Five of the United States Constitution ....no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Parasitic? Isn't is grand that American citizens can get away with such stupidity as calling their fellow American citizens parasitic?

What do the "progressives" call those Americans who vote according to how much largesse will be extended to them? .

The Senate seats for each state remain two. Nothing has changed.

I am so tired of parasitic pseudo-libertarianism that can't tell is anus from a hole in the ground.

Mr. Fucktard, the senate is nothing more than another house of representatives which is controlled by masses which have been federalized by largesse.

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[Uncensored2008]

actually, he's dead on right,

Actually, you're an uneducated dolt.

Without the EC, 48 out of 50 states could be denied any voice in the process of electing the president.

You see cretin, when this nation was formed, the less populace states rightly were concerned that the more populace ones would run roughshod over them. There was little advantage in trading the rule of London for the rule of Philadelphia. The electoral college is the means of giving voice to all the states. Each state elects the president, independent of all other states. Based on the result of each state's election, electors are sent to cast the will of the voters in the many states. As such, every state has a voice in the process.

Look, I realize that this is far beyond your ability to grasp.

and you calling anyone dummy is hysterical.

I'm calling you a fucking moron, and let's face it - I'm 100% correct.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I get how your system works numbskull.....

It's not "my system" shitferbrains, it's the constitutional governance of the nation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Article Five of the United States Constitution ....no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
What do the "progressives" call those Americans who vote according to how much largesse will be extended to them? .

The Senate seats for each state remain two. Nothing has changed.

I am so tired of parasitic pseudo-libertarianism that can't tell is anus from a hole in the ground.

Mr. Fucktard, the senate is nothing more than another house of representatives which is controlled by masses which have been federalized by largesse. .

The proper constitutional process was followed. That you don't like it is an excellent reminder that the American people's choice was the correct one.

 

[daveman]

What do the "progressives" call those Americans who vote according to how much largesse will be extended to them?

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Good Democrats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you're a Republican living in a blue state, your vote for president almost always counts for ZERO.

I would think you people wouldn't like that.

 

[daveman]

If you're a Republican living in a blue state, your vote for president almost always counts for ZERO.

I would think you people wouldn't like that.

We'll just put you in the "Thinks CA and NY should decide for the rest of the nation" column.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The electoral college still meets the needs of the overwhelming numbers of Americans, and far leftists are dead wrong on wanting to change it. They can't.

The popular election of senators stillmeets the needs of the overwhelming numbers of Americans, and far rightist are dead wrong wanting to change it. They can't.

America is much better off without the extremes of left or right telling the good and great American majority what to do.

 

[Nosmo King]

Mr. Dumb Fuck, Sir:

1) the vote to ratify the 17th Amendment was not unanimous hence it is a nullity

2) there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

Unanamous ratification is not required. Why would you say otherwise?

Article Five of the United States Constitution

....no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Parasitic? Isn't is grand that American citizens can get away with such stupidity as calling their fellow American citizens parasitic?

What do the "progressives" call those Americans who vote according to how much largesse will be extended to them?

.

farmers

 

[Lakhota]

GALLUP: Americans Would Swap Electoral College for Popular Vote

by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Nearly 11 years after the 2000 presidential election brought the idiosyncrasies of the United States' Electoral College into full view, 62% of Americans say they would amend the U.S. Constitution to replace that system for electing presidents with a popular vote system. Barely a third, 35%, say they would keep the Electoral College.

Gallup's initial measure of support for the Electoral College with this wording was conducted in the first few days after the 2000 presidential election in which the winner remained undeclared pending a recount in Florida. At that time, it was already clear that Democratic candidate Al Gore had won the national popular vote over Republican George W. Bush, but that the winner of the election would be the one who received Florida's 25 Electoral College votes.

During this period, Democrats were much more likely than Republicans to favor replacing the Electoral College system with a popular vote system. In a Gallup poll conducted Dec. 15-17 -- shortly after the Dec. 12 Supreme Court decision that ended the Florida recount, thereby deciding the election in Bush's favor -- 75% of Democrats said they would amend the Constitution so that the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide wins. By contrast, 56% of Republicans favored keeping the Electoral College, while 41% favored replacing it with a popular vote system.

Republicans have grown somewhat more amenable to adopting a popular vote system over the past decade. Now, for the first time since 2000, the majority of Republicans favor it. Independents are not quite as supportive as Democrats of the popular vote system, but the majority of them have consistently favored it.

Notably, in November 1980, when 67% of Americans, overall, said they approved of an amendment that would change the electoral system, Gallup found little partisan disagreement. Support was 62% among Republicans, 66% among Democrats, and 73% among independents. This suggests that the partisan results seen more recently may result from the political dynamic of the 2000 election, in which the Republican candidate benefited from the Electoral College system at the Democrat's expense.

Bottom Line

With 62% of Americans today in favor of abolishing the Electoral College, Americans show relatively little attachment to this unique invention of the country's Founding Fathers. The system was devised as a compromise between those who wanted Congress to select the president and those who favored election by the people, and it has resulted in a highly state-based approach to presidential campaigning.

Those who advocate abolishing the Electoral College often do so on the basis that the system puts undue emphasis on a small number of swing states. Whether Americans as a whole are concerned about that byproduct is unclear. However, they broadly agree that the country should adopt a system in which the popular vote prevails. While Republicans are less supportive of this than Democrats, 11 years after the 2000 election politicized the issue, the majority of Republicans once again favor the change.

Americans Would Swap Electoral College for Popular Vote

 

[Wolfstrike]

recently Romney blasted Obama for passing the health care bill with conflcts with some policies of the Catholic church.

today the White House released a press statement saying that Romney passed the same thing in Massachusetts

 

[Dr Grump]

I get how your system works numbskull.....

It's not "my system" shitferbrains, it's the constitutional governance of the nation.

Only a moron would not see that when I was refering to 'your' I meant the US. But as you are a thick-as-pig-shit moron, I'll know next time to spell it out more clearly for you....

 

[bripat9643]

Along with wishing the 17th amendment was repealed, Conservatives LOVE the Electoral College.

Seems they don't want democracy ANYWHERE near the United States of America.

What rational person supports democracy? Why would anyone want to be ruled by the bottom 51% of the electorate?

 

[thereisnospoon]

there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

Moronic question.

The Electoral College was placed to prevent unequal representations in election for President.
The fact that populous states with large democrat voting population centers cannot decide the presidential election on their own infuriates you liberal.
How just would it be if New York. California, Illinois, Washington and Oregon could decide who gets to be president all by themselves while the rest of our votes don't mean shit?

 

[Dr Grump]

Along with wishing the 17th amendment was repealed, Conservatives LOVE the Electoral College.

Seems they don't want democracy ANYWHERE near the United States of America.

What rational person supports democracy? Why would anyone want to be ruled by the bottom 51% of the electorate?

Depends on the type of democracy.

So what do you think of Prop 8? A majority decision...