Why Left Wingers HATE the Electoral College !!!

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    Why the Electoral College?

    by P. Andrew Sandlin

    In this atmosphere, the Founders were concerned that a popular regional candidate in a populous area may be able to garner enough votes to win the election, particularly if several other candidates divided the balance of the vote. This regionally popular first candidate would not likely have the interests of the entire number of states – the nation itself – at heart. If a candidate needed to win only the popular vote, it would possible for him to be elected President without winning a majority of anything. He would not have been elected on the basis of any sort of consensus of the states, but simply on his popularity in a particular state or in two or three heavily populated areas.

    Article 2 of the Constitution and its 12th Amendment stipulate that the President is chosen by electors, who are themselves chosen by the state, "in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct … equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress." This arrangement obliges candidates to make a much wider appeal than they would if they simply were required to win the popular national election.

    The electoral college is a bulwark of states’ rights yet, perhaps paradoxically, it also tends to foster the cohesiveness of the entire nation. It makes it difficult for more populous urban states, or states with larger populations, like New York, Florida, and California, to gain an unfair advantage over less urban and populous states like North Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana.

    To eliminate the electoral college would be essentially to eliminate the role of states in presidential elections. It would comprehensively nationalize the selection and insinuate that states as such have no interest in national presidential politics. For all practical purposes, it would remove the borders between states and transform the United States of America into the united people of America.

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    Along with wishing the 17th amendment was repealed, Conservatives LOVE the Electoral College.

    Seems they don't want democracy ANYWHERE near the United States of America.
     
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    Left wingers as a group don't 'hate' the electoral college, neither do right wingers as a group. There's pros and cons to both systems, and supporters and dissenters from both philosophies.

    I said the same thing to the OP who claimed right-wingers were 'afraid of' the electoral college or some such noise.
     
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    Mr. Dumb Fuck, Sir:

    1) the vote to ratify the 17th Amendment was not unanimous hence it is a nullity

    2) there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America
     
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    It's not just conservatives. The 17th Amendment should be repealed. It's passage essentially nullified the reason for the Senate existing in the first place.

    You're right. I don't want democracy because democracy is a poor form of government. That's why we were set up to be a Republic.
     
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    But you you know, now that I come to think of it , by abolishing the electoral college some one like Obama would not hesitate to admit that he is a fucking socialist - rural Americans would have no choice but take arms and bring about the Second American revolution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Unanamous ratification is not required. Why would you say otherwise?

    Parasitic? Isn't is grand that American citizens can get away with such stupidity as calling their fellow American citizens parasitic?

    And YOU called ME a Dumb Fuck! Balls the size of churchbells on you, that's certain.
     
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    Even in a republic, the people have franchise.
     
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    Article Five of the United States Constitution

    ....no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.


    What do the "progressives" call those Americans who vote according to how much largesse will be extended to them?

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    That really depends on how you conduct the vote. If no candidate receiving a majority means the House still got to decide - the winner would still have to win a majority of something.




    That's not how it works in practical reality

    IN THE REAL WORLD candidates only have to make an appeal to a handful of "battleground" states, while the can ignore the vast majority of the rest.
    Under the present system as used in practice - what role is that, exactly? When's the last time a state decided the legislature would choose the electors rather than passing that privilege onto the people?


    Fact is the electoral college never quite worked as designed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

    1) Only two states employ a district system of election
    2) Most all states contractually require their electors to vote for whom they pledged to vote, thus electors cannot (practically) exercise their independent judgment when voting
    3) When is the last time a President ran without a running mate?
    4) When's the last time the House chose the President?
     
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