Why Left Wingers HATE the Electoral College !!!

Anyone who has trouble with lthe 17th AMendment does not know or understand the American narrative, much less the Constitution

What?

That white landed gentry were chosen to lead this fair country of ours in perpetuity?

Well..a few things have changed since the men with powdered wigs wrote the thing.

Like women's suffrage..freeing of the slaves...you know..like history?

Oh..and they don't use muskets any more.
 
Is that what leftists call "democracy," denying voice to 48 of the 50 states?

They don't want democracy ---they want tyranny by the majority so long as the majority are Marxists/fascists.

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:lol:

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noun, plural -cies.
1.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

2.
a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.

3.
a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.

4.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.

5.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com

Democracy..by it's very nature is.."Tyranny of the Majority".
 
Anyone who has trouble with lthe 17th AMendment does not know or understand the American narrative, much less the Constitution

What?

That white landed gentry were chosen to lead this fair country of ours in perpetuity?

Well..a few things have changed since the men with powdered wigs wrote the thing.

Like women's suffrage..freeing of the slaves...you know..like history?

Oh..and they don't use muskets any more.

Reread the dialogue before you jump into boiling water, please.
 
Is that what leftists call "democracy," denying voice to 48 of the 50 states?

They don't want democracy ---they want tyranny by the majority so long as the majority are Marxists/fascists. .

You don't get to redefine traditional and historical concepts. You are not a patriot, and the dems and publs are not socialist marxists martian fascists coming to get you.
 
Mr. Dumb Fuck, Sir:

1) the vote to ratify the 17th Amendment was not unanimous hence it is a nullity

2) there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

You don't even need Florida.

California and New York alone are enough.

And so long as they control those two states they are happy and want to abolish the EC - however if the opposite was true they would squeal like stuck hogs.

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there are large parasitic concentration in the large cities ; so by winning in NY, California and Florida a candidate would win the election - effectively silencing rural America

So one rural vote is worth 100 city votes? Right, glad to see you live in such a 'free' country....

and what's funny is they don't understand why it would trouble some of us that they vote land that has more power per vote than the votes of people.

So what do you want to do, abolish the states ...change the name to United People of America?

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The Senate seats for each state remain two. Nothing has changed.

I am so tired of parasitic pseudo-libertarianism that can't tell is anus from a hole in the ground.
Mr. Fucktard, the senate is nothing more than another house of representatives which is controlled by masses which have been federalized by largesse. .

The proper constitutional process was followed. That you don't like it is an excellent reminder that the American people's choice was the correct one.

I was referring to the US Constitution, not Cuba's.

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Mr. Fucktard, the senate is nothing more than another house of representatives which is controlled by masses which have been federalized by largesse. .

The proper constitutional process was followed. That you don't like it is an excellent reminder that the American people's choice was the correct one.
I was referring to the US Constitution, not Cuba's.

You are mixed up as usual. Article V does not preclude the 17th Amendment. You don't understand that the amendment process supersedes parts of the Constitution when the process is followed.

Your pseduo-libertarianism and faulty Constitutional construction often leads you into confusing cul de sacs.
 
IN THE REAL WORLD candidates only have to make an appeal to a handful of "battleground" states, while the can ignore the vast majority of the rest.

Even if the assertion is correct , Battleground states will represent a good cross section of the US population.


Battleground states in the 2012 presidential election




(Reuters) - "Swing" or "battleground" states, which can switch back and forth between the two major parties in U.S. presidential votes and are heavily courted by candidates, will be crucial to deciding the winner of next year's election for the White House.

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Sure - if by a "good cross section" you mean excluding people from most states.
 
Anyone who has trouble with lthe 17th AMendment does not know or understand the American narrative, much less the Constitution

What?

That white landed gentry were chosen to lead this fair country of ours in perpetuity?

Well..a few things have changed since the men with powdered wigs wrote the thing.

Like women's suffrage..freeing of the slaves...you know..like history?

Oh..and they don't use muskets any more.
Always with the racial shit.
You self hating Caucasian liberals are a trip.
 
Is that what leftists call "democracy," denying voice to 48 of the 50 states?

They don't want democracy ---they want tyranny by the majority so long as the majority are Marxists/fascists.

.

:lol:

de·moc·ra·cy
   [dih-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA

noun, plural -cies.
1.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

2.
a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.

3.
a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.

4.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.

5.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com

Democracy..by it's very nature is.."Tyranny of the Majority".
An absolute democracy, yes. We do not have that here.
The US is a representative republic. And as such, the Electoral College is necessary to protect the interests of the minority in the presidential election.
Every four years, you lefties dredge up this nonsense because you fear losing.
Interesting to note....California which has probably the closest example to an absolute democracy, drives you people batty when the residents vote into law a Proposition you don't like. Right away you are running to court with paper bags full of pro bono litigators with the hope of usurping the will of the people.
Then 5 minutes later when a Proposition vote goes your way, you are all about democracy.
You libs have no right discussing the issue of democracy because you believe in it as a matter of convenience
 
They don't want democracy ---they want tyranny by the majority so long as the majority are Marxists/fascists.

.

:lol:

de·moc·ra·cy
   [dih-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA

noun, plural -cies.
1.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

2.
a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.

3.
a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.

4.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.

5.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com

Democracy..by it's very nature is.."Tyranny of the Majority".
An absolute democracy, yes. We do not have that here.
The US is a representative republic. And as such, the Electoral College is necessary to protect the interests of the minority in the presidential election.

So all representative republics must have an electoral college?

You libs have no right discussing the issue of democracy because you believe in it as a matter of convenience
Ahh, I see, we have no right to exercise our 1st amendment rights when its not convenient to you, got it.
 
I'd like to see more states do it like ME and NE, where the electoral votes are divided by district won while the final two go to the popular winner in the state. I think that might bring the tally closer to the national popular vote while still keeping things balanced.

That is what I was alluding to in my first post. That way all voters get a say./...
 
Progressives love the Federal government and hate states.

There is not a single state that would have ratified the Constitution if they saw what a mockery Progressive have made of the system

I love the term progressives..

I love the antonym more

It's called being a luddite...
Hardly. Progressives want the US to "progress" to the condition of the USSR circa 1958.

Do you see that as progress? Because it's not.

In that case you are using the wrong word. They would be regressives, not progressives. More than willing to post a definition of what 'progress' means. Doesn't fit your definition...
 
Why the Electoral College?

by P. Andrew Sandlin

In this atmosphere, the Founders were concerned that a popular regional candidate in a populous area may be able to garner enough votes to win the election, particularly if several other candidates divided the balance of the vote. This regionally popular first candidate would not likely have the interests of the entire number of states – the nation itself – at heart. If a candidate needed to win only the popular vote, it would possible for him to be elected President without winning a majority of anything. He would not have been elected on the basis of any sort of consensus of the states, but simply on his popularity in a particular state or in two or three heavily populated areas.

Article 2 of the Constitution and its 12th Amendment stipulate that the President is chosen by electors, who are themselves chosen by the state, "in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct … equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress." This arrangement obliges candidates to make a much wider appeal than they would if they simply were required to win the popular national election.

The electoral college is a bulwark of states’ rights yet, perhaps paradoxically, it also tends to foster the cohesiveness of the entire nation. It makes it difficult for more populous urban states, or states with larger populations, like New York, Florida, and California, to gain an unfair advantage over less urban and populous states like North Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana.

To eliminate the electoral college would be essentially to eliminate the role of states in presidential elections. It would comprehensively nationalize the selection and insinuate that states as such have no interest in national presidential politics. For all practical purposes, it would remove the borders between states and transform the United States of America into the united people of America.

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The reason I hate the electoral college is that in 2000 Al Gore beat the worst president this country has ever had to experience by half a million votes but because of the electoral system and one state Jeb Bush and his concubine was able to use the right wing supreme court and steal it from Gore. Do you need anything else
 
Democracy..by it's very nature is.."Tyranny of the Majority".

Which is why any reasonable person rejects it.

You of the left want power, not democracy. You'll use any means to obtain power, including democracy.

And the Cons don't want power??
RATFLMAO!!!
That aside, tyranny of the minority is better?

And if you are against Tyranny of the Majority, you must be against Prop 8. The gay men and women of California thank you for your support...
 
A good read for the electoral college, afterall, it is the United States.
The Electoral College - Origin and History

A third idea was to have the president elected by a direct popular vote. Direct election was rejected not because the Framers of the Constitution doubted public intelligence but rather because they feared that without sufficient information about candidates from outside their State, people would naturally vote for a "favorite son" from their own State or region. At worst, no president would emerge with a popular majority sufficient to govern the whole country. At best, the choice of president would always be decided by the largest, most populous States with little regard for the smaller ones.

Seems that our FF's WERE much smarter than a 5th grader.


Thank you, Asaratis
 
A good read for the electoral college, afterall, it is the United States.
The Electoral College - Origin and History

A third idea was to have the president elected by a direct popular vote. Direct election was rejected not because the Framers of the Constitution doubted public intelligence but rather because they feared that without sufficient information about candidates from outside their State, people would naturally vote for a "favorite son" from their own State or region. At worst, no president would emerge with a popular majority sufficient to govern the whole country. At best, the choice of president would always be decided by the largest, most populous States with little regard for the smaller ones.

Seems that our FF's WERE much smarter than a 5th grader.


Thank you, Asaratis

And you think Nevada, or South Dakota or Alaska have as much input/say as Texas, California, NY or Florida. Can you name one election in the past 30 years that has been decided by Alaska?
 

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