Why Jordan Doesn't Want More Palestinians

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Yawn

anyone hear a slight whine ?

I hear a whine, not sure where its coming from but its kinda annoying ;--)

Wow, yeah listen.... I can hear it too....

Must be coming outta your ass Busboy!

You keep bleating on like a lost lamb about Jordan being Palestine and, one day, you might actually believe it yourself, no one else will!
 
The Bedouins originated on the Arabian peninsula. Jordan was part of the Hejaz, the northwestern part of the Arabian peninsula. In fact, it was called Arabia Petraea by the Romans and it was part of the Hejaz Villayet under the Ottomans.

The Bedouins of what is now called Jordan, who are Arabians of the Hejaz, ruled by the Bedouin Hashemites, have no ethnic relationship with the Muslim and Christian Palestinians who are Levantines. Not desert people.

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The Bedouins originated on the Arabian peninsula.

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You spent a lot of time in remedial classes didn't you ? How long have we been telling you this and NOW you finally admit it ?

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Jordan was part of the Hejaz

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There was no Jordan you dope. Jordan never existed until the mandate period. Its one of the two states within the mandate area today. The two state solution.

Oh this just gets better and better. "The fantasies of the Ignorant" by Montey ole Bean. Available online soon.

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In fact, it was called Arabia Petraea by the Romans

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OK genius would you please inform us of how the Romans could have used a word that didn't exist until long after the fall of the Roman empire.

Epic fail there ole Bean.

OK I've got better things to do

Where to start? The level of ignorance displayed by the Hasbara Fellow is astounding.


1. The territory which now called Jordan was the northwestern part of the Hejaz which is part of Arabia, futhermore, it was part of the Arabian Nabataean kingdom, annexed by Rome in 106 AD. Petra, the famous site in Jordan, was the Nabataean captal.

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2.
Arabia Petraea
To the Romans, Arabia Petraea was one of three zones that comprised the whole of Arabia (the other two regions being Arabia Deserta and Arabia Felix). In the Roman geographical sense, it was an Eastern or Hellenized province located directly to the south of Syria, bordering Egypt's nothern limit, and juxtaposed against Iudea (also Syria Paelestina).

In modern terms, Arabia is compromised of the Negev region and present-day southern Syria, Jordan and northwest Saudi Arabia Politically and economically, the territory was relatively stable from its annexation as a frontier province by Trajan in 105 or 106 AD.

Arabia - Province of the Roman Empire

You not only fail every time you post, you demonstrate to all that you have never studied ancient history and become confused when presented with historical fact.
 
Read the LoN mandates again and see that Jordan was to be arab Palestine

No it doesn't!

Jordan was never going to be Palestine...

(Now we wait for the post of the cover of the mandate that mentions Transjordan)

Other than that, got any other evidence?

No Flag Boy, wrong again. We're going to wait for the post that covers what the kings of Jordan and Jordan's policy makers and ministers had to say about it being this so called palestine of yours.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwi8ub3vq5jMAhVDlYMKHZ9QAnYQFgguMAM&url=https://israelamerica.wordpress.com/jordan-is-palestine-palestine-is-jordan/&usg=AFQjCNEMn3hDQLvMvhlsNtsQrKGaLbj1eg&sig2=qvnAAv2naBeB5KEH4MIreQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc


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Jordan is Palestine. Palestine is Jordan.This is the royal decree and sentiments of two of the kings of Jordan.

“Palestine and Jordan are one…” said King Abdullah in 1948.

“The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan,”said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981.

Let’s closely examine the facts of history from the Arab perspective, rather than the Jewish one, regarding Jordan and Palestine.

“Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate,” Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.

Accordingly, Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared, in 1980, “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”

In other words, Jordan is Palestine. Arab Palestine. There is absolutely no difference between Jordan and Palestine, nor between Jordanians and Palestinians (all actually Arabs).

This fact is also confirmed by other Arabs, Jordanians and ‘Palestinans’ who were either rulers or scholars.

“There should be a kind of linkage because Jordanians and Palestinians are considered by the PLO as one people,”according to Farouk Kaddoumi, then head of the PLO Political Department, who gave the statement to Newsweek on March 14, 1977. Distinguished Arab-American Princeton University historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee,

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Feel free to ask any questions ;--)

Flag troll, if you actually had even half the intelligence you pretend to have you would also know the reasons why these were said... It has NOTHING to do with physical borders!

Oh no, wait, if you had even a fraction of the intelligence you pretend to have you would know that trolling your silly flag in your posts is really not etiquette on forums!

Jordan never has been, never will be Palestine... It's zionut hasbara BS that falls down time and time again...

Bleating on about it won't change a thing dumbass!






Because you say so I expect.


The Romans included the land of Jordan as part of their Palestine, the LoN in their original plans had trans Jordan as part of Palestine granted to the Jews for their national home. Everyone but you sees that trans Jordan was part of Palestine, so it is time to put up or shut up .
 
The Bedouins originated on the Arabian peninsula. Jordan was part of the Hejaz, the northwestern part of the Arabian peninsula. In fact, it was called Arabia Petraea by the Romans and it was part of the Hejaz Villayet under the Ottomans.

The Bedouins of what is now called Jordan, who are Arabians of the Hejaz, ruled by the Bedouin Hashemites, have no ethnic relationship with the Muslim and Christian Palestinians who are Levantines. Not desert people.

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The Bedouins originated on the Arabian peninsula.

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You spent a lot of time in remedial classes didn't you ? How long have we been telling you this and NOW you finally admit it ?

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Jordan was part of the Hejaz

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There was no Jordan you dope. Jordan never existed until the mandate period. Its one of the two states within the mandate area today. The two state solution.

Oh this just gets better and better. "The fantasies of the Ignorant" by Montey ole Bean. Available online soon.

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In fact, it was called Arabia Petraea by the Romans

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OK genius would you please inform us of how the Romans could have used a word that didn't exist until long after the fall of the Roman empire.

Epic fail there ole Bean.

OK I've got better things to do

Where to start? The level of ignorance displayed by the Hasbara Fellow is astounding.


1. The territory which now called Jordan was the northwestern part of the Hejaz which is part of Arabia, futhermore, it was part of the Arabian Nabataean kingdom, annexed by Rome in 106 AD. Petra, the famous site in Jordan, was the Nabataean captal.

NabataeanBigMap.png


2.
Arabia Petraea
To the Romans, Arabia Petraea was one of three zones that comprised the whole of Arabia (the other two regions being Arabia Deserta and Arabia Felix). In the Roman geographical sense, it was an Eastern or Hellenized province located directly to the south of Syria, bordering Egypt's nothern limit, and juxtaposed against Iudea (also Syria Paelestina).

In modern terms, Arabia is compromised of the Negev region and present-day southern Syria, Jordan and northwest Saudi Arabia Politically and economically, the territory was relatively stable from its annexation as a frontier province by Trajan in 105 or 106 AD.

Arabia - Province of the Roman Empire

You not only fail every time you post, you demonstrate to all that you have never studied ancient history and become confused when presented with historical fact.

Irrelevant hogwash. That entire region including today's Jordan belonged to the Ottoman Turks for the last 700 years, who at no time considered a Palestine or Palestinian people. Once the Ottoman Empire fell, Jordan aka Transjordan became part of the British territory known as the Palestine Mandate, which lasted from 1922 to 1947. Originally in 1921 the British and League of nations decided to turn Jordan into "Arab Palestine" (free of Jews) and Israel including the West Bank and Gaza, "Jewish Palestine" (including the Arabs, funny how that works). The Arab savages rejected this idea, and started attacking and massacring the Jews, led by the Nazi mufti who orchestrated the Hebron massacre of 1929. The Jews fought back by arming themselves and forming militant organizations such as the Irgun and Haganah. A civil war between the Jews and Arab Muslims erupted, the Arabs lost, and Israel was officially declared a state in 1948. Since then the intolerant savage Arabs have constantly gotten their asses kicked in their attempt to destroy the Jewish state. That will never happen.

Deal with it, or not, who cares!
 
The Bedouins originated on the Arabian peninsula. Jordan was part of the Hejaz, the northwestern part of the Arabian peninsula. In fact, it was called Arabia Petraea by the Romans and it was part of the Hejaz Villayet under the Ottomans.

The Bedouins of what is now called Jordan, who are Arabians of the Hejaz, ruled by the Bedouin Hashemites, have no ethnic relationship with the Muslim and Christian Palestinians who are Levantines. Not desert people.

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The Bedouins originated on the Arabian peninsula.

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You spent a lot of time in remedial classes didn't you ? How long have we been telling you this and NOW you finally admit it ?

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Jordan was part of the Hejaz

End Quote

There was no Jordan you dope. Jordan never existed until the mandate period. Its one of the two states within the mandate area today. The two state solution.

Oh this just gets better and better. "The fantasies of the Ignorant" by Montey ole Bean. Available online soon.

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In fact, it was called Arabia Petraea by the Romans

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OK genius would you please inform us of how the Romans could have used a word that didn't exist until long after the fall of the Roman empire.

Epic fail there ole Bean.

OK I've got better things to do

Where to start? The level of ignorance displayed by the Hasbara Fellow is astounding.


1. The territory which now called Jordan was the northwestern part of the Hejaz which is part of Arabia, futhermore, it was part of the Arabian Nabataean kingdom, annexed by Rome in 106 AD. Petra, the famous site in Jordan, was the Nabataean captal.

NabataeanBigMap.png


2.
Arabia Petraea
To the Romans, Arabia Petraea was one of three zones that comprised the whole of Arabia (the other two regions being Arabia Deserta and Arabia Felix). In the Roman geographical sense, it was an Eastern or Hellenized province located directly to the south of Syria, bordering Egypt's nothern limit, and juxtaposed against Iudea (also Syria Paelestina).

In modern terms, Arabia is compromised of the Negev region and present-day southern Syria, Jordan and northwest Saudi Arabia Politically and economically, the territory was relatively stable from its annexation as a frontier province by Trajan in 105 or 106 AD.

Arabia - Province of the Roman Empire

You not only fail every time you post, you demonstrate to all that you have never studied ancient history and become confused when presented with historical fact.

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Lets take a look at entomology here and see if the Ole Beans claims are even possible of if its an example of modern chroniclers assigning modern terminology to ancient history

See
Ira M. Lapidus (2014). A History of Islamic Societies. p. 29.

and
William Bowden, Luke Lavan, Carlos Machado (2004). Recent Research on the Late Antique Countryside. Brill. p. 91.

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The oldest surviving indication of an Arab identify is an inscription made in early Arabic using the Nabatean Aramaic alphabet in 328 CE, which refers to Imru' al-Qays ibn 'Amr as "King of all the Arabs".[4][5]

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Which translates Imru' al-Qays ibn 'Amr and never actually uses the term "Arabia"

About 450 years AFTER the Ole Bean claims it was the name of a Roman province.

Your modifying historical terms to misrepresent your twisted views.

When the word does come into use it appears to have two meanings, A dry arid region or a form of speech. Its not associated with a specific people until the 7th century when Islam originates among the nomadic tribes of the Arabian Peninsula.

Nice twist trying to legitimize the term as referring to a given people or even people at all but, once again your hasbara has been exposed. ;--)

As I said. The term didn't exist at the time you claim its being used to define a Roman province ;--)

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Maybe you'd like to modify your claim from the term Arabia to Aribi or Arabuthat ;--)
 
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Are you actually claiming that Arabia Petraea was unknown to the Romans and that was not annexed in 106 AD by the Emperor Trajan?

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Hegra was the major center in the south of the Nabataean kingdom that in the 1st century CE also controlled other oasis towns, such as nearby Taima or Dumatha. The kingdom was one of Rome's client states along its eastern border. When the last Nabataean king died in 106 CE, Trajan had already prepared the orders for imperial troops in neighboring provinces to swiftly move in and occupy his territory before any resistance could possibly be organized. The newly annexed state was subsequently transformed into the province Arabia. Mostly due to the remoteness of the oasis towns, most scholars believed that only the urbanized core region of the old kingdom east of the Jordan, together with the the Sinai peninsula, constituted the new province's territory and that the newly build Via Nova Traiana from Bostra to Aila, which connected a chain of forts, marked its eastern border.

New inscriptions from Saudi Arabia and the extent of Roman rule along the Red Sea | Sardis Verlag

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Are you actually claiming that Arabia Petraea was unknown to the Romans and that was not annexed in 106 AD by the Emperor Trajan?

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Hegra was the major center in the south of the Nabataean kingdom that in the 1st century CE also controlled other oasis towns, such as nearby Taima or Dumatha. The kingdom was one of Rome's client states along its eastern border. When the last Nabataean king died in 106 CE, Trajan had already prepared the orders for imperial troops in neighboring provinces to swiftly move in and occupy his territory before any resistance could possibly be organized. The newly annexed state was subsequently transformed into the province Arabia. Mostly due to the remoteness of the oasis towns, most scholars believed that only the urbanized core region of the old kingdom east of the Jordan, together with the the Sinai peninsula, constituted the new province's territory and that the newly build Via Nova Traiana from Bostra to Aila, which connected a chain of forts, marked its eastern border.

New inscriptions from Saudi Arabia and the extent of Roman rule along the Red Sea | Sardis Verlag

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Clearly you are having comprehension problems. Let me spell it out for you in the simplest of terms

The term Arabia is a modern one. It doesn't' appear in use until some time after the fall of the Roman empire. There is a term Aribi that references language that exists prior to the late 4th century as well as the term Arabuthat which I think is a Syrian term for its province.

However you are referencing modern chroniclers application of a term that didn't exist yet.

It'd be like calling ancient Judea, Israel, its not. Israel didn't exist prior to 1948. Jordan didn't exist prior to the mandate period and Arabia certainly didn't exist before the word was even invented.

your roaming bedouin tribes have nothing to do with the ancient provinces none of which were called Arabia in their day. You'd be hard pressed to prove one way or the other that the Judaic people weren't the ones being referenced in any of your nonsense as the bedouin ( then Arab Muslims ) didn't colonize outside the Arabian peninsula until the mid 7th century.

Once again you are depending on revisionist history to present your hasbara ;--)
 
I believe the term Ingrate applies best to the Arab Muslims in Israel.

Its no wonder the Jordanians would prefer to bail out of the whole thing

How wise Jordan was for rejecting Israel's offer to return the entire West Bank for nothing in return after the 67 war so they could dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with.
 
I believe the term Ingrate applies best to the Arab Muslims in Israel.

Its no wonder the Jordanians would prefer to bail out of the whole thing

How wise Jordan was for rejecting Israel's offer to return the entire West Bank for nothing in return after the 67 war so they could dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with.

Jordanians and Palestinians are one and the same.
 
King Abdullah is one smart dude. Marries the most gorgeous Palestinian, queen Rania, & refuses to grant any right of return to all other Palestinians Jordan left as hostages.
 
King Abdullah is one smart dude. Marries the most gorgeous Palestinian, queen Rania, & refuses to grant any right of return to all other Palestinians Jordan left as hostages.

Yes sir, that's my kind of gal. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

http://www.cifiaonline.com/photos/undefined/Shimon Peres Izraeli PM with Queen Rania.jpg

One of the hottest woman I ever dated was an Egyptian. Seriously hot. I should spend more time in Egypt ;--)

The Arab Muslims in Israel I can't picture being a very attractive bunch. They pound out kids way to fast to maintain their beauty ( yeah yeah I'm a chauvinist pig )

Jewish girls are a pain in the ass ;--)

We now return you to your normally scheduled topic
 
King Abdullah is one smart dude. Marries the most gorgeous Palestinian, queen Rania, & refuses to grant any right of return to all other Palestinians Jordan left as hostages.

Yes sir, that's my kind of gal. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

http://www.cifiaonline.com/photos/undefined/Shimon Peres Izraeli PM with Queen Rania.jpg

One of the hottest woman I ever dated was an Egyptian. Seriously hot. I should spend more time in Egypt ;--)

The Arab Muslims in Israel I can't picture being a very attractive bunch. They pound out kids way to fast to maintain their beauty ( yeah yeah I'm a chauvinist pig )

Jewish girls are a pain in the ass ;--)

We now return you to your normally scheduled topic

What about the Israeli Wonder Woman?
 
King Abdullah is one smart dude. Marries the most gorgeous Palestinian, queen Rania, & refuses to grant any right of return to all other Palestinians Jordan left as hostages.

It's not "Jordan" which left the Palestinians as hostages, but the Hashemite dynasty. There is no Jordan. Jordan is an artificial country, which was lopped off the Palestine Mandate, and named after a river. The overwhelming majority of this artificial country is Palestinian. That's why the PLO tried to take over the country in 1970. Many Palestinian officials have declared as much, and I think they know more about the situation than monte and Humanity. MJB is also feeding into this fiction when he says that "Jordan" is keeping out Palestinians (from a 2-year-old article), rather than saying the Hashemite dynasty is trying to keep them out, because they want to keep the crown. Let's be clear about this. Jordan was occupied by the tribes of Reuben and Gad in the time of the Bible. Jews were forbidden to enter Jordan from the time of the British Mandate, because it was supposed to become Arab Palestine. Jews are still not allowed to be citizens there. Jordan is Palestine.
 
Jordan was never intended to be any part of Palestine and is not Palestine today. Palestinians that entered Jordan when evicted by the Jews from their homeland are not natives of Arabia Petrea, which is what the area Jordan now occupies was called.

It was never part of Palestine and prior to the British takeover through the mandate process, the territory was the southwestern portion of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, whose Hashemite king, Faisal the First, was overthrown by the French after the siege of Damascus 24 July, 1920.

The native Jordanians are members of recognized Bedouin tribes, the Palestinians in Jordan are Levantine people they are not not members of Bedouin tribes.
 
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Ha ha...good joke.

All this BS and and yet for the last 700 years under Ottoman rule, there was no Jordan or Palestine, or Palestinian people.
 
Jordan was never intended to be any part of Palestine and is not Palestine today. Palestinians that entered Jordan when evicted by the Jews from their homeland are not natives of Arabia Petrea, which is what the area Jordan now occupies was called.

It was never part of Palestine and prior to the British takeover through the mandate process, the territory was the southwestern portion of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, whose Hashemite king, Faisal the First, was overthrown by the French after the siege of Damascus 24 July, 1920.

The native Jordanians are members of recognized Bedouin tribes, the Palestinians in Jordan are Levantine people they are not not members of Bedouin tribes.






Read the LoN treaties and mandate of Palestine. These source documents say you are a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
 
Jordan was never intended to be any part of Palestine and is not Palestine today. Palestinians that entered Jordan when evicted by the Jews from their homeland are not natives of Arabia Petrea, which is what the area Jordan now occupies was called.

It was never part of Palestine and prior to the British takeover through the mandate process, the territory was the southwestern portion of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, whose Hashemite king, Faisal the First, was overthrown by the French after the siege of Damascus 24 July, 1920.

The native Jordanians are members of recognized Bedouin tribes, the Palestinians in Jordan are Levantine people they are not not members of Bedouin tribes.






Read the LoN treaties and mandate of Palestine. These source documents say you are a LYING PIECE OF SHIT

I don't think he reads

Seems more like he listens to some towel head five times a day and simply mimes the party line.

Basically, your asking someone who's never thought for himself, to start. I don't see it happening

For instance, he can't seem to figure out that Jordan doesn't want more Arab Muslims from Israel because of the problems they've caused already. Why want more when the ones you already have a such a pain in the ass.
 
Jordan was never intended to be any part of Palestine and is not Palestine today. Palestinians that entered Jordan when evicted by the Jews from their homeland are not natives of Arabia Petrea, which is what the area Jordan now occupies was called.

It was never part of Palestine and prior to the British takeover through the mandate process, the territory was the southwestern portion of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, whose Hashemite king, Faisal the First, was overthrown by the French after the siege of Damascus 24 July, 1920.

The native Jordanians are members of recognized Bedouin tribes, the Palestinians in Jordan are Levantine people they are not not members of Bedouin tribes.






Read the LoN treaties and mandate of Palestine. These source documents say you are a LYING PIECE OF SHIT

I don't think he reads

Seems more like he listens to some towel head five times a day and simply mimes the party line.

Basically, your asking someone who's never thought for himself, to start. I don't see it happening

For instance, he can't seem to figure out that Jordan doesn't want more Arab Muslims from Israel because of the problems they've caused already. Why want more when the ones you already have a such a pain in the ass.

Good point. So sad it took Jordan's Black September to communicate a lasting peace from their Palestinians. Let us hope the Pali's won't force Israel to do the same.
 
The joke's on you. You demonstrate your ignorance regarding the history of the region every time you post your usual false non sequitur.
 
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