Why have a standing Army Policy?

[High_Gravity]

Plenty of dead muslims to go around if that happens.

Yeah right.

As would be your opinion. it ain't going to happen.

If a mosque can be built right across from ground zero in this country, and a president with a Muslim background can be President, why not Shariah?

 

[Sallow]

What is it that you wingnuts fail to comprehend? It is the job of the Federal government to maintain the military that is a mandate of the Constitution. It is not the Federals Governments job to handle social welfare, that would be the job of each individual state.

Why don't you try actually reading the Constitution every once in a while..

This is the part that covers welfare (and defense)..


This is specific to the military.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Section 1 - The President

Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In a nutshell.

-The navy is permanent.
-The army is is not. It is meant to be drawn from the militia in times of invasion or insurrection..and funding must be voted on every 2 years by congress.
-Congress is the only body that can declare war.
-The military is under and inferior to civilian control.
-The President is commander in chief.

Constitutionally the military is:
Defensive
Made up of part time citizen soldiers (Which is where the right to bear arms is derived from)
Under civilian control.

What we have now is not Constitutional.

What is this?

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Someone had to be a full time officer to train the militia.

And the welfare part is not to maintain peoples livelyhood.

That falls under the powers of Congress. There is no, none..provision for a full time army or army officer. So..you may have pointed out a "flaw" in the Constitution.

And the "Welfare"/"Domestic Tranquility" part is just that. Provide for the welfare of the people and maintain domestic tranqulity. If you let people starve..they will become angry and riot.

Just a reminder:
Militia:

mi·li·tia   /mɪˈlɪʃə/ Show Spelled
[mi-lish-uh] Show IPA

–noun
1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.

Here's another little ditty for ya.

Militia Acts of 1792 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yeah right.

As would be your opinion. it ain't going to happen.

If a mosque can be built right across from ground zero in this country, and a president with a Muslim background can be President, why not Shariah?

Because the mosque is protected by the first amendment the very thing you want to get rid of.
The president was elected and voted for by people who where engulfed by the song and dance of hopey and changey. If 2008 could be relived and people know what they know now. there would not be any obamanation in America today.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why don't you try actually reading the Constitution every once in a while..

This is the part that covers welfare (and defense)..


This is specific to the military.


In a nutshell.

-The navy is permanent.
-The army is is not. It is meant to be drawn from the militia in times of invasion or insurrection..and funding must be voted on every 2 years by congress.
-Congress is the only body that can declare war.
-The military is under and inferior to civilian control.
-The President is commander in chief.

Constitutionally the military is:
Defensive
Made up of part time citizen soldiers (Which is where the right to bear arms is derived from)
Under civilian control.

What we have now is not Constitutional.

What is this?

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Someone had to be a full time officer to train the militia.

And the welfare part is not to maintain peoples livelyhood.

That falls under the powers of Congress. There is no, none..provision for a full time army or army officer. So..you may have pointed out a "flaw" in the Constitution.

And the "Welfare"/"Domestic Tranquility" part is just that. Provide for the welfare of the people and maintain domestic tranqulity. If you let people starve..they will become angry and riot.

Just a reminder:
Militia:

mi·li·tia   /mɪˈlɪʃə/ Show Spelled
[mi-lish-uh] Show IPA

–noun
1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.

Here's another little ditty for ya.

Militia Acts of 1792 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're using a 18th century word with a 20th century definition

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RgLEGibyXs[/ame]
7:41 OF THE VIDEO WILL EXPLAI N

 

[High_Gravity]

As would be your opinion. it ain't going to happen.

If a mosque can be built right across from ground zero in this country, and a president with a Muslim background can be President, why not Shariah?

Because the mosque is protected by the first amendment the very thing you want to get rid of.
The president was elected and voted for by people who where engulfed by the song and dance of hopey and changey. If 2008 could be relived and people know what they know now. there would not be any obamanation in America today.

Its ok, get that beard growing and cover up your wife in a burka and maybe the religion of peace will take mercy on you.

 

[Sallow]

Why don't you try actually reading the Constitution every once in a while..
This is the part that covers welfare (and defense)..

You did a great job of quoting the powers of Congress that cover defense.
Where are the powers that cover welfare?

In a nutshell.
-The navy is permanent.
-The army is is not. It is meant to be drawn from the militia in times of invasion or insurrection..and funding must be voted on every 2 years by congress.

Um... no.
The standing army is meant to be seperate from the militia. The Militia is there to, when necessary and among other things, supplement the standing army.


Yes.
However, there are no constitutional limitations to the powers of the CinC.


Not at all necessarily so. Nothing in the Constitution precludes an 'offensive' military.

Made up of part time citizen soldiers (Which is where the right to bear arms is derived from)

Again, no.

What we have now is not Constitutional.

What part of what we have now, specifically, violates what part of the Constitution, specifically?

This is completely incorrect.

I've posted the Constitution to back my points..and with specifics.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The military is a necessary evil, so logically, keeping its existence to the minimum necessary serves the greater good.

The level of 'necessity' being defined by the greater evil across the rest of the world, sure.

 

[Sallow]

You're using a 18th century word with a 20th century definition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RgLEGibyXs
7:41 OF THE VIDEO WILL EXPLAI N

So now the Constitution is a "living breathing" document? Or only when it specifically pertains to the military?

This is great..

Hyprocrisy on display.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If a mosque can be built right across from ground zero in this country, and a president with a Muslim background can be President, why not Shariah?

Because the mosque is protected by the first amendment the very thing you want to get rid of.
The president was elected and voted for by people who where engulfed by the song and dance of hopey and changey. If 2008 could be relived and people know what they know now. there would not be any obamanation in America today.

Its ok, get that beard growing and cover up your wife in a burka and maybe the religion of peace will take mercy on you.

Islam a religion of poeace? more like a piece of camel shit.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR1gZEmEcxg[/ame]
Your Shariah is a contirdiction against itself.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're using a 18th century word with a 20th century definition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RgLEGibyXs
7:41 OF THE VIDEO WILL EXPLAI N

So now the Constitution is a "living breathing" document? Or only when it specifically pertains to the military?

This is great..

Hyprocrisy on display.

No you're using a word to define the meaning of a word that was used in the 18th century, by using a 20th century definition

 

[M14 Shooter]

This is completely incorrect.

Show that to be the case.

I've posted the Constitution to back my points..and with specifics.

You've quoted the Constitution, sure
But you havent shown how those parts of the Constitution back up your points, at least those that I took exception to.

To wit:
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You did a great job of quoting the powers of Congress that cover defense.
Where are the powers that cover welfare?

The standing army is meant to be seperate from the militia. The Militia is there to, when necessary and among other things, supplement the standing army.

There are no constitutional limitations to the powers of the CinC.

Nothing in the Constitution precludes an 'offensive' military.

What part of what we have now, specifically, violates what part of the Constitution, specifically?
---

Now, cite the rerlevant parts of the Constitution and, FAR more importantly, show how they address these issues.

 

[daveman]

The constitution and all these "rights" need to be revoked, they are incompatible with the Shariah laws.

Why don't you find a politican who will run for election on that platfrom. As a matter of fact why don't you run for congress?

It doesn't matter who runs for congress or whatever, Shariah is on its way. Once the US allows Shariah courts into their system it will spread throughout the country and engulf it in the warm grasp of Islam.

Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution, freedom, and civilization. You're going to be disappointed.

 

[High_Gravity]

Why don't you find a politican who will run for election on that platfrom. As a matter of fact why don't you run for congress?

It doesn't matter who runs for congress or whatever, Shariah is on its way. Once the US allows Shariah courts into their system it will spread throughout the country and engulf it in the warm grasp of Islam.

Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution, freedom, and civilization. You're going to be disappointed.

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

 

[Trajan]

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

Dwight Eisenhower

Who wants to dispute his point?

hey, roger waters ripped IKE off!!!!

 

[Sallow]

This is completely incorrect.

Show that to be the case.

I've posted the Constitution to back my points..and with specifics.

You've quoted the Constitution, sure
But you havent shown how those parts of the Constitution back up your points, at least those that I took exception to.

To wit:
-----
You did a great job of quoting the powers of Congress that cover defense.
Where are the powers that cover welfare?

It's the FIRST FUCKING POWER OF CONGRESS.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

If you are not going to bother to read the constitution.

We are done.

 

[Sallow]

It doesn't matter who runs for congress or whatever, Shariah is on its way. Once the US allows Shariah courts into their system it will spread throughout the country and engulf it in the warm grasp of Islam.

Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution, freedom, and civilization. You're going to be disappointed.

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

Lunacy on display.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution, freedom, and civilization. You're going to be disappointed.

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

Lunacy on display.

For once we agree.

 

[High_Gravity]

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

Lunacy on display.

For once we agree.

Allahu Fuckbar.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Lunacy on display.

For once we agree.

Allahu Fuckbar.

Are you mocking islam?

 

[High_Gravity]

For once we agree.

Allahu Fuckbar.

Are you mocking islam?

No, why would I mock the religion of peace?