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You think it was okay for us to break a long standing US tradition of not being a first strike country, and invading Iraq over ONE roadside bomb? Really?
First of all, we did not "invade" Iraq. Stop using that term just because you're a libertarian coward afraid of a fight. Germany invaded Poland - they marched in and took over the country.
We, on the other hand, conducted military operations to oust a vicious dictator who controlled WMD's. Once said dictator was removed, we immediately turned the county over to the Iraqi people. Only a "dipshit" would refer to that as an "invasion".
You better go back and check what Bush was actually claiming. He was not claiming one roadside bomb, dipshit.
He claimed WMD's - nothing less, nothing more. And that's exactly what was found in Iraq. It's not Bush's you choose to be ignorant about the world, your own government, and your own military. As I documented above - there were THOUSANDS of WMD's found and dozens of cases were they were used.
Show us those thousands, dipshit. Show us the thousands that were used. Should be a piece of cake since there were thousands used.
I can't show you information you make up because you're pissed off that I've made you my bitch on USMB. Sorry. As good as I am, even I can't do that.
Furthermore, I don't need to. Bush never said actions against Saddam Hussein were necessary because he "used" WMD's - he said actions were necessary because he "had" WMD's (which has now been proven as fact). Sorry cupcake, you lose again (your pride and anger are just killing you - perhaps if you would calm down and not be such a dick, you could read what is actually written and not make such an ass out of yourself - just a suggestion "dipshit").
The weapons the Bush administration claimed Saddam was actively producing were never found. Nor was any evidence found that the regime had pursued manufacturing of WMD of any kind since the end of the first gulf war.
You're an embarrassment to yourself and Rottweilers everywhere.
The Bush Administration claimed WMD's - nothing more, nothing less. And WMD's were found (you inability to accept reality because said reality is in direct conflict with your ideology and the false reality you created yourself, does not make that reality any less real)...
They were claiming he was.....oh for fuck sake, let Dick explain it to ya.....
(Good thing they were never taped..........oh wait.......)
We know he's reconstituted these programs since the Gulf War. We know he's trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization.
"Well, I think I've just given it, Tim, in terms of the combination of his development and use of chemical weapons, his development of biological weapons, his pursuit of nuclear weapons."
[QUESTION:And even though the International Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program, we disagree?]
But we do know with absolute certainty that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapons."
What he wants is time and more time to husband his resources, to invest in his ongoing chemical and biological weapons programs, and to gain possession of nuclear arms
Or Donald
"Well, we know that Saddam Hussein has chemical and biological weapons. And we know he has an active program for the development of nuclear weapons.
They have given up tens of billions of dollars in oil revenues under the sanctions program so that they could in fact keep those weapons of mass destruction programs going.
He's amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of biological weapons, including Anthrax, botulism, toxins and possibly Smallpox."
"He's amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX, Sarin and mustard gas."
"His regime has an active program to acquire nuclear weapons."
And of course my favorite from Donnie....
We know where they [weapons of mass destruction] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Want more?:
Bush Administration Quotes on Iraq - US - Iraq War - ProCon.org
BWA-HA-HA-HA!
I would so love to hear you give this bizarre rationale to an Iraqi. It would be priceless!
"We did not invade your country!" POW!!
You made up a claim and can't prove it when challenged. Why is NO ONE surprised?
At the press briefing, Mr. Bush acknowledged that most Americans now wish his presidency was imaginary, but said that he did not regret invading Iraq even though no weapons of mass destruction existed.
Ill go further than that, he said. I would still invade Iraq even if Iraq never existed.
The majority of the chemical and biological weapons WERE destroyed by Saddam, and what was left was crappe.
But arguing that just plays into the Pub propaganda doubletalk. What really scared people was the total BS about Nukes. They were as close having a bomb as Niger is. Stupidest war EVER, and Alqaeda's best recruiting tool, AND wasted an early Afghan victory.
The bizarro world gets even more bizarre. Denying it was an invasion.
Wow.
Just...wow.
A bizarro claim that thousands of chemical weapons were used, then coming up empty with the evidence.
You really should stop publicly embarrassing yourself this way, Rott.
from the book American Sniper
Read the next two paragraphs after that part in the book. Kyle does not say large stockpiles were found. He makes an assumption that there had to be tons of the stuff...somewhere.
It says what it says.
No one has any evidence of any WMDs of the "large stockpiles" needed to justify an invasion and full on war which lasted for years.
Simple fact.
If a couple barrels of chemicals and a homemade bomb are the standard you really want to set, then we better invade Canada, just to be safe.
I've already proven to you that dog don't hunt, but you continue to repeat the same bullshit.It is a FACT that large caches of WMD's were in fact located in Iraq.
An indisputable fact. That fact has been confirmed by none other than the radical left-wing propaganda machine of the dumbocrat party - MSNBC (see link below which was initially on MSNBC's website and has since been migrated to the NBC website since the split). It has also been confirmed by WikiLeak cables! It has been confirmed by former special forces operators, authors, reporters, and more. How the left can continue to deny the world is round, the sky is blue, and the sun is hot is simply absurd. They have ZERO credibility left when they try to deny fact.
From Chuck Pfarerr's book, Seal Target: Geronimo
It is a chilling fact that thousands of chemical weapons have been uncovered in Iraq. These weapons have been used by Al Qaeda against coalition and NATO forces on dozens of occasions. This has been confirmed by countless sources, most recently in the released WikiLeaks cables.
So why haven't the American people been told of the stock-piled caches of chemical WMD's uncovered in Iraq or of the chemical weapon attacks by Al Qaeda?
The Republicans wont touch this because it would reveal the incompetence of the Bush administration in failing to neutralize the danger of Iraqi WMD (instead of preventing Weapons of Mass Destruction from falling into the hands of terrorists, the 2003 invasion of Iraq has accelerated the acquisition, manufacture, and use of chemical weapons by Al Qaeda).
The Democrats wont touch it because it would show President Bush was right to invade Iraq in the first place. It is an axis of embarrassment. And the press won't touch it because they had already convinced themselves, and most of the American public, that Saddam Hussein didnt have any WMD's. The media turned a blind eye to continued reports of chemical weapon attacks because its own credibility was threatened. Several major outlets were deeply invested with the story line of an unjustifiable war". Not many people can bear to admit they were wrong, especially in print, and especially if they have been very wrong for a very long time.
Sarin-loaded bomb explodes in Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News
NewsMax.com: Inside Cover Story
I've already proven to you that dog don't hunt, but you continue to repeat the same bullshit.It is a FACT that large caches of WMD's were in fact located in Iraq.
An indisputable fact. That fact has been confirmed by none other than the radical left-wing propaganda machine of the dumbocrat party - MSNBC (see link below which was initially on MSNBC's website and has since been migrated to the NBC website since the split). It has also been confirmed by WikiLeak cables! It has been confirmed by former special forces operators, authors, reporters, and more. How the left can continue to deny the world is round, the sky is blue, and the sun is hot is simply absurd. They have ZERO credibility left when they try to deny fact.
From Chuck Pfarerr's book, Seal Target: Geronimo
It is a chilling fact that thousands of chemical weapons have been uncovered in Iraq. These weapons have been used by Al Qaeda against coalition and NATO forces on dozens of occasions. This has been confirmed by countless sources, most recently in the released WikiLeaks cables.
So why haven't the American people been told of the stock-piled caches of chemical WMD's uncovered in Iraq or of the chemical weapon attacks by Al Qaeda?
The Republicans won’t touch this because it would reveal the incompetence of the Bush administration in failing to neutralize the danger of Iraqi WMD (instead of preventing Weapons of Mass Destruction from falling into the hands of terrorists, the 2003 invasion of Iraq has accelerated the acquisition, manufacture, and use of chemical weapons by Al Qaeda).
The Democrats won’t touch it because it would show President Bush was right to invade Iraq in the first place. It is an axis of embarrassment. And the press won't touch it because they had already convinced themselves, and most of the American public, that Saddam Hussein didn’t have any WMD's. The media turned a blind eye to continued reports of chemical weapon attacks because its own credibility was threatened. Several major outlets were deeply invested with the story line of an “unjustifiable war". Not many people can bear to admit they were wrong, especially in print, and especially if they have been very wrong for a very long time.
Sarin-loaded bomb explodes in Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News
NewsMax.com: Inside Cover Story
You got reality issues!
Well Rott, it's obvious you hate facts too. Here you are, making a fool out of yourself and you just keep on keeping on.
Have you forgotten about Saddam's WMD bluff?
FBI says Saddam's weapons bluff aimed at Iran
FBI says Saddam's weapons bluff aimed at Iran | Reuters
Here, instead of making shit up, try this:
Iraq Survey Group Final Report
Iraq Survey Group Final Report
I can't believe some people are so fucking stupid.
The bizarro world gets even more bizarre. Denying it was an invasion.
Wow.
Just...wow.
A bizarro claim that thousands of chemical weapons were used, then coming up empty with the evidence.
You really should stop publicly embarrassing yourself this way, Rott.
G-string throws a tantrum like a small child when I own him.
Despite the fact that I have verifiable sources & links, he claims I have no "evidence". Meanwhile, he spews radical opinion 24x7 and provides nothing to back it up.
G-string, the entire post is here for people to see. No amount of lying on your part will confuse ANYONE who reads the first post and continues from there.
Thanks for playing though cupcake...
By Order of the Secretary of the Army:
PETER J. SCHOOMAKER
General, United States Army
Chief of Staff
In planning for Iraq, traditional advocates of robust land power stressed that these changes enhanced the nation’s military superiority but did not alter the nature of war or the importance of
ground troop strength. On the other side, “transformationalists” argued that advanced technologies had made small forces operating jointly with air power both decisive and efficient. This debate went public before the invasion of Iraq as traditionalists and transformationalists diverged sharply on the size of the force that should be employed.
The Author
Maj. W. Shane Story has been assigned to the Histories Division of the Center of Military History since November 2003. He was an instructor in the History Department at the U.S. Military Academy in 1996–98 and holds a doctorate in history from Rice University. He served in 2002 as the historian of the U.S. element of the multinational Kosovo Force and in April through November 2003 as a member of the Military history Group of the Combined Forces Land Component Command in Kuwait
Author Chuck Pfarrer is taking flack over his account of the Osama bin Laden raid in his new revisionist history, SEAL Target Geronimo. But thats overshadowed another big problem with the book: Pfarrers claims about Iraqs weapons of mass destruction are absolutely bananas.
To read SEAL Target Geronimo is to get sucked into a vortex of WMD insanity. Pfarrer says that Saddam Hussein had dangerous, active chemical, biological and nuclear programs up until the day of his downfall. Worse, those weapons made it into the hands of Osama himself. Why didnt you know about it? Because craven politicians and the lying media hid the truth about what U.S. military weapons experts uncovered.
Well, sorry, Charlie. I was one of those military experts in Iraq. I learned the full, underwhelming truth about Saddams programs because I was there to help the Iraqis settle the issue once and for all. And SEAL Target Geronimos claims are the literary equivalent of a smoking gun that could have been a mushroom cloud a paranoid, evidence-free fantasy, fueled by ignorance.
Start with all that Iraqi WMD that U.S. forces found. Pfarrer gasps over an Explosive Ordnance Disposal units 2003 discovery of an artillery shell filled with the nerve agent sarin, part of an early homemade bomb. To Pfarrer, that bomb would have spread a mortal, invisible cloud over a dozen city blocks where death would have come quickly for ten thousand Iraqi civilians living near the airport and three thousand coalition troops stationed at nearby Camp Victory. If two of those sarin-laced bombs went off in a crowded football stadium, it would have caused more casualties than those suffered by the United States during the entire Vietnam War. His emphasis.
Absolutely none of this is plausible. Youre talking about a piece of steel that needs to survive being fired out of an artillery piece, and then burst apart by explosives in order to disseminate the chemicals inside. Much of the chemical material is destroyed in the process. And it would take a lot of sarin to achieve any deadly effect. Saddams vicious gassing of the Kurds at Halabja in March 1988, for example, was a coordinated military campaign lasting for two days. During that time, the Iraqis murdered up to 5,000 people nowhere near Pfarrers stadium scenario. An actual chemical artillery round might might kill dozens. Not thousands.
Yes, its true: U.S. troops found the remnants of chemical munitions in Iraq. But Pfarrer makes a conspiratorial mountain out of that molehill. Most amazingly, Pfarrer invents a scenario whereby these chemical rounds made their way to Osamas Abbottabad hideout.
I'm not ignoring them, I've already addressed them, to you, in another thread. But since you don't have the stones to deal with reality, you keep pushing this make-believe world onto others as if it will someday replace the truth. But it won't.You know the wheels have completely come off when radicals like loinboy have to start ignoring even MSNBC to continue with their narrative....
There are 3 undeniable sources above. Game. Set. Match.
That's a lot of words saying nothing at all.It is a FACT that large caches of WMD's were in fact located in Iraq.
An indisputable fact. That fact has been confirmed by none other than the radical left-wing propaganda machine of the dumbocrat party - MSNBC (see link below which was initially on MSNBC's website and has since been migrated to the NBC website since the split). It has also been confirmed by WikiLeak cables! It has been confirmed by former special forces operators, authors, reporters, and more. How the left can continue to deny the world is round, the sky is blue, and the sun is hot is simply absurd. They have ZERO credibility left when they try to deny fact.
Oh look Marge, little Rotty Weiler is trying to resurrect the Iraqi/al Qaeda tie again.From Chuck Pfarerr's book, Seal Target: Geronimo
It is a chilling fact that thousands of chemical weapons have been uncovered in Iraq. These weapons have been used by Al Qaeda against coalition and NATO forces on dozens of occasions. This has been confirmed by countless sources, most recently in the released WikiLeaks cables.
Because they are not WMD's!So why haven't the American people been told of the stock-piled caches of chemical WMD's uncovered in Iraq or of the chemical weapon attacks by Al Qaeda?
Minor injuries and small dispersal, is not mass destruction.Two members of a military bomb squad were treated for “minor exposure,” but no serious injuries were reported.
the bomb exploded “a couple of days ago” in the Iraqi capital and resulted in “very small dispersal” of the nerve agent.
But you do deserve a "thank you", for saving me some time.Two former weapons inspectors — Hans Blix and David Kay — said the shell was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons.
Because they are not WMD's!
...I think it's safe to say there is no argument on what WMD is: "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Which means, when this weapon is detonated, is causes mass destruction. The most obvious WMD, is a nuclear bomb. With that being our base definition of a WMD, anything short of "mass destruction", cannot be classified as a WMD.
So according to your own link, when one of these weapons went off, it caused "minor injuries" to two soldiers and resulted in a very small dispersal.
Ergo, that's not a WMD.
....).
And it appears you missed this earlier in the topic, Rott:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/11/iraq-wmd-seal-target-geronimo/]
