Why do the Left Wing Liberals Hate Corporations?

[Bfgrn]

Wrong, yet again...Black markets are true laizzez-faire markets, whose only reliance upon gubmint are the laws against their products.

Contraband rarely fits any definition of a free market because it is usually stolen goods. But I guess lawlessness is your realm of knowledge.

Goods traded in free markets are not always stolen, you myopic fool.

See: Levis in Soviet Russia and illicit recreational drugs the world around.

Black market goods are usually one person making profit to the detriment of some other person's loss or injury.

 

[Old Rocks]

The internet was considered a total white elephant, until someone found out how to make a buck off of it out in The World, douchebag.

But giving you the benefit of the doubt, one success in hundreds-cum-thousands of towering failures isn't any kind of rate that would keep any bidness in bidness.

You are stupid about the history of the net as you are about everything else, Oddie.

Internet Society (ISOC) All About The Internet: History of the Internet

I'm perfectly aware of how the interweb cam into being, dickweed.

Like I said...One success out of thousands money wasting taxpayer funded failures is no kind of success rate.

Ah yes. A government program that came in ten times over budget and took about twice as long as expected. And did not achieve it's primary objective at all. The Corps of Discovery was such a damned failure.

 

[Toro]

Name one thing invented by Government that helped boost our GDP or created an industry and thus jobs.

Much of modern technology can be traced back to research done by the military, particularly in network communications.

Also, universities are large drivers of technological research, either directly supported by governments through grants to projects or indirectly through support of universities and student loan programs.

All economic growth is a function of productivity gains, and a great deal of the genesis of productivity gains has come from government funding.

 

[WillowTree]

Why do the Left Wing Liberals Hate Corporations?

We don't hate corporations. We hate corporations that run amok, with no constraints, no rules, no regulations.

Big difference.

Well, you idiots have over taxed, and over regulated most of them overseas, so you won't have to worry about them much longer,, course then you'll be a bitchin cause there ain't no rich people to suck off of.

 

[Toro]

I don't hate corporations, but I see them as very dangerous to a democratic society, the commons and our environment. Here is a liberal I admire and agree with on almost every issue, including corporations.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Thanks. I appreciate the response.

But I have to say, RFK Jr is a douchebag. He came up to Canada during the Clayoquot Sound incident and insulted the Canadian judiciary saying they weren't evolved when a court ruling didn't go his way.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

Name one thing invented by Government that helped boost our GDP or created an industry and thus jobs.

Much of modern technology can be traced back to research done by the military, particularly in network communications.

Also, universities are large drivers of technological research, either directly supported by governments through grants to projects or indirectly through support of universities and student loan programs.

All economic growth is a function of productivity gains, and a great deal of the genesis of productivity gains has come from government funding.

Toro, I agree with what you just said because It's true, but I would argue against you including student loans as a part of your point. The Government can't afford those loans, and the students get fucked with debt, which is exaclty what the Government wants anyway. That's why Obama took over the Student Loan program, So the Government can enjoy the interest payments. I mean hey, If The Bankers own our Government, they may as well run it just like they run their own blood sucking scam. But yes, Government support of Universities have without a doubt made productive gains in the technological field. ~BH

 

[Toro]

The computer -- nay the entire 80s consumer electronics boom -- came out of the Cold War Pentagon & NASA, i.e., government funding and research.

Also...look into the history of Boeing and commercial aviation. Or try energy development or biotechnology or agriculture.

These things exist because of MASSIVE government subsidies.

Total bullshit.

Which subsidies did the Wright brothers need to invent the airplane, or Tesla AC generators, or Bell the telephone, or Edison...you name it?

You're comparing apples to pomegranates. Just because government R & D can create new products doesn't mean it's the only source.

Generally, the private sector is better at allocating resources than government. However, that's different than saying the government has never created a single useful thing.

 

[DiveCon]

Why do peasants hate royalty?

do they?

 

[Trajan]

Great question Toro...

I don't hate corporations, but I see them as very dangerous to a democratic society, the commons and our environment. Here is a liberal I admire and agree with on almost every issue, including corporations.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Speech at the Sierra Summit, September 10, 2005

Excerpt:
There is nothing wrong with corporations. Corporations are a good thing. They encourage us to take risks. They maximize wealth. They create jobs. I own a corporation. They're a great thing, but they should not be running our government. The reason for that is they don't have the same aspirations for America that you and I do. A corporation does not want democracy. It does not want free markets, it wants profits, and the best way for it to get profits is to use our campaign-finance system -- which is just a system of legalized bribery -- to get their stakes, their hooks into a public official and then use that public official to dismantle the marketplace to give them a competitive advantage and then to privatize the commons, to steal the commonwealth, to liquidate public assets for cash, to plunder, to steal from the rest of us.

And that doesn't mean corporations are a bad thing. It just means they're amoral, and we have to recognize that and not let them into the political process. Let them do their thing, but they should not be participating in our political process, because a corporation cannot do something genuinely philanthropic. It's against the law in this country, because their shareholders can sue them for wasting corporate resources. They cannot legally do anything that will not increase their profit margins. That's the way the law works, and we have to recognize that and understand that they are toxic for the political process, and they have to be fenced off and kept out of the political process. This is why throughout our history our most visionary political leaders -- Republican and Democrat -- have been warning the American public against domination by corporate power.

This (Bush) White House has done a great job of persuading a gullible press and the American public that the big threat to American democracy is big government. Well, yeah, big government is a threat ultimately, but it is dwarfed by the threat of excessive corporate power and the corrosive impact that has on our democracy. And you know, as I said, you look at all the great political leaders in this country and the central theme is that we have to be cautious about, we have to avoid, the domination of our government by corporate power.

Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, said that America would never be destroyed by a foreign power but he warned that our political institutions, our democratic institutions, would be subverted by malefactors of great wealth, who would erode them from within. Dwight Eisenhower, another Republican, in his most famous speech, warned America against domination by the military industrial complex.

Abraham Lincoln, the greatest Republican in our history, said during the height of the Civil War "I have the South in front of me and I have the bankers behind me. And for my country, I fear the bankers more." Franklin Roosevelt said during World War II that the domination of government by corporate power is "the essence of fascism" and Benito Mussolini -- who had an insider's view of that process -- said the same thing. Essentially, he complained that fascism should not be called fascism. It should be called corporatism because it was the merger of state and corporate power. And what we have to understand as Americans is that the domination of business by government is called communism. The domination of government by business is called fascism. And our job is to walk that narrow trail in between, which is free-market capitalism and democracy. And keep big government at bay with our right hand and corporate power at bay with our left.

In order to do that, we need an informed public and an activist public. And we need a vigorous and an independent press that is willing to speak truth to power. And we no longer have that in the United States of America. And that's something that puts all the values we care about in jeopardy, because you cannot have a clean environment if you do not have a functioning democracy. They are intertwined; they go together. There is a direct correlation around the planet between the level of tyranny and the level of environmental destruction.

The only way you can protect the environment is through a true, locally based democracy. You can protect it for a short term under a tyranny, where there is some kind of beneficent dictator but, over the long term, the only way we can protect the environment is by ensuring our democracy. That has got to be the number-one issue for all of us: to try to restore American democracy, because without that we lose all of the other things that we value.

Whole speech

"My hero is St. Francis of Assisi because he understood the connection between spirituality and the environment. He understood the way God communicates to us most forcefully is through the fish, the birds and the trees and that it is a sin to destroy those things."
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

what a blowhard......

Such depth and scope exhibited in your counterpoint... did you sweep your wife off her feet with the line 'nice tooth' at the possum dinner?

There is no counter point necessary, thats all it deserves, since anyone un-clever enough to use Robert Kennedy to front a point for him doesn't have much of an argument.


Robert Kennedy has absolutely nothing going for him but his last name, I know how that must impress you, but then again the feeble minded usually are easily entertained.....




taking shit about my wife?....classy, and bravely spoken from behind a keyboard as an anonymous poster, your parents taught you well I see.

 

[Bfgrn]

what a blowhard......

Such depth and scope exhibited in your counterpoint... did you sweep your wife off her feet with the line 'nice tooth' at the possum dinner?

There is no counter point necessary, thats all it deserves, since anyone un-clever enough to use Robert Kennedy to front a point for him doesn't have much of an argument.


Robert Kennedy has absolutely nothing going for him but his last name, I know how that must impress you, but then again the feeble minded usually are easily entertained.....




taking shit about my wife?....classy, and bravely spoken from behind a keyboard as an anonymous poster, your parents taught you well I see.

'Nice tooth' is a joke you obtuse moron. So please dissect Bobby's speech and tell me where is is wrong.

 

[Bfgrn]

I don't hate corporations, but I see them as very dangerous to a democratic society, the commons and our environment. Here is a liberal I admire and agree with on almost every issue, including corporations.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Thanks. I appreciate the response.

But I have to say, RFK Jr is a douchebag. He came up to Canada during the Clayoquot Sound incident and insulted the Canadian judiciary saying they weren't evolved when a court ruling didn't go his way.

Fill me in Toro. Douchebag is a pretty derogatory term.

 

[Oddball]

You are stupid about the history of the net as you are about everything else, Oddie.

Internet Society (ISOC) All About The Internet: History of the Internet

I'm perfectly aware of how the interweb cam into being, dickweed.

Like I said...One success out of thousands money wasting taxpayer funded failures is no kind of success rate.

Ah yes. A government program that came in ten times over budget and took about twice as long as expected. And did not achieve it's primary objective at all. The Corps of Discovery was such a damned failure.

Only in gubmint can coming in ten times over budget and twice the expected time frame can be considered "success".

Thanks for inadvertently buttressing my point that gubmint "research" subsidizes failure.

 

[Oddball]

Why do the Left Wing Liberals Hate Corporations?

We don't hate corporations. We hate corporations that run amok, with no constraints, no rules, no regulations.

Big difference.

Well, except for the District of Columbia Corporation, under the direction of Fabian socialist/progressive democratics at the helm....Then, everything is just jake.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

Why do the Left Wing Liberals Hate Corporations?

We don't hate corporations. We hate corporations that run amok, with no constraints, no rules, no regulations.

Big difference.

Well, except for the District of Columbia Corporation, under the direction of Fabian socialist/progressive democratics at the helm....Then, everything is just jake.

Precisely brother. ~BH

 

[Toro]

I don't hate corporations, but I see them as very dangerous to a democratic society, the commons and our environment. Here is a liberal I admire and agree with on almost every issue, including corporations.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Thanks. I appreciate the response.

But I have to say, RFK Jr is a douchebag. He came up to Canada during the Clayoquot Sound incident and insulted the Canadian judiciary saying they weren't evolved when a court ruling didn't go his way.

Fill me in Toro. Douchebag is a pretty derogatory term.

Actually, I think its a pretty amusing term.

There were big protests at logging on Clayquot Sound in BC in the mid-90s, with sit-ins and the like. RFK Jr went up to protest. And when a BC court ordered an injunction against protesters who were chaining themselves to trees be removed, he said something along the lines of how the rule of law wasn't respected in Canada like it was in America. He was very arrogant.

 

[DiveCon]

Thanks. I appreciate the response.

But I have to say, RFK Jr is a douchebag. He came up to Canada during the Clayoquot Sound incident and insulted the Canadian judiciary saying they weren't evolved when a court ruling didn't go his way.

Fill me in Toro. Douchebag is a pretty derogatory term.

Actually, I think its a pretty amusing term.

There were big protests at logging on Clayquot Sound in BC in the mid-90s, with sit-ins and the like. RFK Jr went up to protest. And when a BC court ordered an injunction against protesters who were chaining themselves to trees be removed, he said something along the lines of how the rule of law wasn't respected in Canada like it was in America. He was very arrogant.

dang, that sounds like HE wasnt respecting the rule of law in that case

 

[Wicked Jester]

Why?

Corporations are the greatest drivers of wealth creation in the history of mankind.

Because their loony left wing masters have convinced the lil' douchebags that they are evil.

Left wingers aren't very bright, and are most definitely easily brainwashed. Just look at what the slogan "HOPE AND CHANGE" did to the lil morons. It was like a bunch of mindless zombies heading to the polls.

 

[Bfgrn]

Thanks. I appreciate the response.

But I have to say, RFK Jr is a douchebag. He came up to Canada during the Clayoquot Sound incident and insulted the Canadian judiciary saying they weren't evolved when a court ruling didn't go his way.

Fill me in Toro. Douchebag is a pretty derogatory term.

Actually, I think its a pretty amusing term.

There were big protests at logging on Clayquot Sound in BC in the mid-90s, with sit-ins and the like. RFK Jr went up to protest. And when a BC court ordered an injunction against protesters who were chaining themselves to trees be removed, he said something along the lines of how the rule of law wasn't respected in Canada like it was in America. He was very arrogant.

Well Toro, if a man is willing to walk the walk, unless you were there beside him, you are merely voicing your opinion. He may be right not arrogant or a douchebag.

But one thing I do know is that good economic policy is also good environmental policy. Because if it isn't sound environmental policy, someone is getting rich by making someone else poor.

 

[shintao]

Why?

Corporations are the greatest drivers of wealth creation in the history of mankind.

Hmm, maybe because we are not concerned with great wealth, but instead with clean water in the gulf of Mexico, noncontaminated drinking water in Texas, seals running on the Alaska ice, meat without dieseases, clean air for our children's lungs, a clean river, and rain without acid, our children at the dinner table and not laying at Arlington cemetary, less taxes, more benefits, and more secure employment with living wages. That is kind of a generalization and not even all core items.

And corporations are all you say they are. But they are NOT love, caring, birth or children, warmth or hugs, or any human value. You can pull wealth out of your pocket, but you can't pull a clean river or a smiling face on the end of a fishing pole from there. You go get your wealth. I'll stay here and get a hug.

 

[Londoner]

The Republican strategy is to split the vast middle and working class – pitting unionized workers against non-unionized, public-sector workers against non-public, older workers within sight of Medicare and Social Security against younger workers who don’t believe these programs will be there for them, and the poor against the working middle class.

By splitting working America along these lines, Republicans want Americans to believe that we can no longer afford to do what we need to do as a nation. They hope to deflect attention from the increasing share of total income and wealth going to the richest 1 percent while the jobs and wages of everyone else languish.

Republicans would rather no one notice their campaign to shrink the pie even further with additional tax cuts for the rich – making the Bush tax cuts permanent, further reducing the estate tax, and allowing the wealthy to shift ever more of their income into capital gains taxed at 15 percent. - Robert Reich