Why Do Republicans Feel Compelled To Say "We're The Party of Lincoln?"

[IM2]

I'm a fine example, thanks. And I don't support the silly claim that whites don't or can't think about race, with "complexity".

I agree. You are an excellent example of an ignorant white person. Glad you agree. I didnt ask what you supported. I pointed out that you cant think about race with any complexity due to whites having issues with insecurity and cognitive dissonance.

I have a very difficult time believing that a person who made the statement in a different thread that stated:

"Affirmative Action was created to discriminate against white people, because of past discrimination against blacks"

Has even a minimal ability to think about race with complexity.

That is one of the most ignorant statements that I have ever read in ANY forum, and the reason why I will not ever waste another word again talking to that person.

Whites are tired of being discriminated against for your ungrateful ass.

That might not be complex, but it is true.

Too bad. If whites werent such fuckups globally as well as here in the US more people of color would tolerate you.

It's good you don't speak for all people of color.

And you speak for none, so don't try doing it.

A's opinion is pretty much the majority black opinion in America. If you don't think so, find an all black forum and start posting.

 

[katsteve2012]

This really pisses you off that the party of Lincoln was the Republicans


The party of the KKK was the democrats .


Simple history.


.

Not really because Lincoln was a racist.

So you are saying Lincoln was a racist republican who saved the negros?


.

Pretty sure he is saying Lincoln was a racist republican that wanted to stick it to the inbred confederates. If he really wanted to save Black people he would have freed all the enslaved immediately, not just the ones in the south and he would have never tried to make slavery a permanent amendment in the constitution.

Lincoln did not "save" nor care about the welfare of any so called "negros". That is a fable that has romanticized Lincolns legacy over time.

His primary intent was to preserve the union.

And a noble cause it was, but are they're blacks whom now want to ruin the results after all the years of progress ???

Is that really a question, or is it what you happen to think?
I only stated a historical fact.

 

[boedicca]

Get back to us when you loons quit worshipping Obabble.

This from someone whose party still worships Reagan.

It so depressing what some people here think passes for wit.

 

[otto105]

Get back to us when you loons quit worshipping Obabble.

This from someone whose party still worships Reagan.

It so depressing what some people here think passes for wit.

What’s funny, is that some conservative would deny it.

 

[beagle9]

Not really because Lincoln was a racist.

So you are saying Lincoln was a racist republican who saved the negros?


.

Pretty sure he is saying Lincoln was a racist republican that wanted to stick it to the inbred confederates. If he really wanted to save Black people he would have freed all the enslaved immediately, not just the ones in the south and he would have never tried to make slavery a permanent amendment in the constitution.

Lincoln did not "save" nor care about the welfare of any so called "negros". That is a fable that has romanticized Lincolns legacy over time.

His primary intent was to preserve the union.

And a noble cause it was, but are they're blacks whom now want to ruin the results after all the years of progress ???

Is that really a question, or is it what you happen to think?
I only stated a historical fact.

Just answer the question if you can. How hard is it to answer questions here ?? Stop spinning.

 

[IM2]

So you are saying Lincoln was a racist republican who saved the negros?


.

Pretty sure he is saying Lincoln was a racist republican that wanted to stick it to the inbred confederates. If he really wanted to save Black people he would have freed all the enslaved immediately, not just the ones in the south and he would have never tried to make slavery a permanent amendment in the constitution.

Lincoln did not "save" nor care about the welfare of any so called "negros". That is a fable that has romanticized Lincolns legacy over time.

His primary intent was to preserve the union.

And a noble cause it was, but are they're blacks whom now want to ruin the results after all the years of progress ???

Is that really a question, or is it what you happen to think?
I only stated a historical fact.

Just answer the question if you can. How hard is it to answer questions here ?? Stop spinning.

Seems that's a very difficult task for you white racists here.

 

[beagle9]

I agree. You are an excellent example of an ignorant white person. Glad you agree. I didnt ask what you supported. I pointed out that you cant think about race with any complexity due to whites having issues with insecurity and cognitive dissonance.

I have a very difficult time believing that a person who made the statement in a different thread that stated:

"Affirmative Action was created to discriminate against white people, because of past discrimination against blacks"

Has even a minimal ability to think about race with complexity.

That is one of the most ignorant statements that I have ever read in ANY forum, and the reason why I will not ever waste another word again talking to that person.

Whites are tired of being discriminated against for your ungrateful ass.

That might not be complex, but it is true.

Too bad. If whites werent such fuckups globally as well as here in the US more people of color would tolerate you.

It's good you don't speak for all people of color.

And you speak for none, so don't try doing it.

A's opinion is pretty much the majority black opinion in America. If you don't think so, find an all black forum and start posting.

All black forum eh ??? That's a little racist ain't it ?? What if there were all white anything ?? You'd be crapping your pants about it, but funny the blacks can have all black this or all black that, and it's supposed to be A-ok ?? Hypocrisy runs strong in you or your ilk doesn't it ??

 

[Oldstyle]

The discrimination that is allowed, if not mandated by law, is not "nature". It is bad national policy.


As you well know, your racist idiocy to the contrary.

There is no discrimination. Those like you who believe that any success by someone who is non white, comes at the expense of one of "your people" is the problem.

I do not believe that any success by someone who is non white comes at the expense of one of my people.


I do believe that when non whites are discriminated in favor of, THAT comes at the expense of one of my people.


I've been clear about that. But you need to lie about what I believe in, and fight that strawman, because on some level you know that what I actually say and believe,


you can't refute.

Non whites are not the recipients of any favors at the expense of "your people". "Your people" were in a position for generation after generation able to lawfully discriminate against non whites and did


Now that discrimination is against the law, and a system of more fairness is in place, you've become a victim.

But on the other hand have stated that you have done "fairly well"

It is clear that you believe if there is a succesful non white(and of course you mean "Black") standing next to a not so successful white, that the black must have been granted favoritism at the expense of the white.

And by denying that you believe that to be true, is a lie.

That aside, I am not going to debate your "beliefs" with you.

I've been arround far longer than you and have heard the same rhetoric from countless individuals like you, for decades.

With all due respect, Katsteve...that's always been the Achilles heel of laws like Affirmative Action...by giving an advantage to the disadvantaged you leave them open to being viewed as unworthy when they do succeed. It's the tradeoff you make.

Thats the reason most people view whites in the US as unworthy. They had self legislated AA for centuries not just a couple of years.

Most people view whites in the US as unworthy? Really? What does "self legislation" even mean?

 

[Oldstyle]

The discrimination that is allowed, if not mandated by law, is not "nature". It is bad national policy.


As you well know, your racist idiocy to the contrary.

There is no discrimination. Those like you who believe that any success by someone who is non white, comes at the expense of one of "your people" is the problem.

I do not believe that any success by someone who is non white comes at the expense of one of my people.


I do believe that when non whites are discriminated in favor of, THAT comes at the expense of one of my people.


I've been clear about that. But you need to lie about what I believe in, and fight that strawman, because on some level you know that what I actually say and believe,


you can't refute.

Non whites are not the recipients of any favors at the expense of "your people". "Your people" were in a position for generation after generation able to lawfully discriminate against non whites and did


Now that discrimination is against the law, and a system of more fairness is in place, you've become a victim.

But on the other hand have stated that you have done "fairly well"

It is clear that you believe if there is a succesful non white(and of course you mean "Black") standing next to a not so successful white, that the black must have been granted favoritism at the expense of the white.

And by denying that you believe that to be true, is a lie.

That aside, I am not going to debate your "beliefs" with you.

I've been arround far longer than you and have heard the same rhetoric from countless individuals like you, for decades.

With all due respect, Katsteve...that's always been the Achilles heel of laws like Affirmative Action...by giving an advantage to the disadvantaged you leave them open to being viewed as unworthy when they do succeed. It's the tradeoff you make.

I understand how that works. But any person who is a rational thinker, knows that is not always the case.

And for one to assume that such a program automatically affects others on a widespread scale adversely, is not really thinking at all. Especially if one understands the history of why such a program was even necessary.

Absolutely! There are people who are SO much better at their job that it would be ludicrous to say they only succeeded because of Affirmative Action but my point is that you need to BE that much better than the person working beside you because you are always going to be looked at with a jaundiced eye because you were an AA hire!

Now that's one side of the equation. The other side is the AA hire that does a terrible job yet is kept on at that job because his or her employer is scared to death of being accused of being a "racist" because they fired someone who was a minority!

 

[Asclepias]

There is no discrimination. Those like you who believe that any success by someone who is non white, comes at the expense of one of "your people" is the problem.

I do not believe that any success by someone who is non white comes at the expense of one of my people.


I do believe that when non whites are discriminated in favor of, THAT comes at the expense of one of my people.


I've been clear about that. But you need to lie about what I believe in, and fight that strawman, because on some level you know that what I actually say and believe,


you can't refute.

Non whites are not the recipients of any favors at the expense of "your people". "Your people" were in a position for generation after generation able to lawfully discriminate against non whites and did


Now that discrimination is against the law, and a system of more fairness is in place, you've become a victim.

But on the other hand have stated that you have done "fairly well"

It is clear that you believe if there is a succesful non white(and of course you mean "Black") standing next to a not so successful white, that the black must have been granted favoritism at the expense of the white.

And by denying that you believe that to be true, is a lie.

That aside, I am not going to debate your "beliefs" with you.

I've been arround far longer than you and have heard the same rhetoric from countless individuals like you, for decades.

With all due respect, Katsteve...that's always been the Achilles heel of laws like Affirmative Action...by giving an advantage to the disadvantaged you leave them open to being viewed as unworthy when they do succeed. It's the tradeoff you make.

Thats the reason most people view whites in the US as unworthy. They had self legislated AA for centuries not just a couple of years.

Most people view whites in the US as unworthy? Really? What does "self legislation" even mean?

All you had to do was look it up.

Definition of SELF-LEGISLATING



self-legislating
adjective


Definition of self-legislating


: making rules or laws for oneself

 

[IM2]

I have a very difficult time believing that a person who made the statement in a different thread that stated:

"Affirmative Action was created to discriminate against white people, because of past discrimination against blacks"

Has even a minimal ability to think about race with complexity.

That is one of the most ignorant statements that I have ever read in ANY forum, and the reason why I will not ever waste another word again talking to that person.

Whites are tired of being discriminated against for your ungrateful ass.

That might not be complex, but it is true.

Too bad. If whites werent such fuckups globally as well as here in the US more people of color would tolerate you.

It's good you don't speak for all people of color.

And you speak for none, so don't try doing it.

A's opinion is pretty much the majority black opinion in America. If you don't think so, find an all black forum and start posting.

All black forum eh ??? That's a little racist ain't it ?? What if there were all white anything ?? You'd be crapping your pants about it, but funny the blacks can have all black this or all black that, and it's supposed to be A-ok ?? Hypocrisy runs strong in you or your ilk doesn't it ??

Not really. But since you bought it up.

ALL RISE! CLASS IS IN SESSION!

The honorable IM2 presiding.

Another use of the false equivalence by whites pertains to the issues of history and cultural identification. For example, whites have been whining for years about why they cannot have a white history month. To ask this question, one must either be severely mentally challenged, suffering from psychosis, or are a racist purposefully building a strawman. I’m serious when I say that. I am always stumped when I am asked that question. Are these people really that stupid? Do they not pay attention to how American history has been portrayed? Is it that just because it’s not called white history do they not think that whites have not been described as part of history?

How much plainer does it need to be made? The founders of this nation were all white men. Do we need to say that 55 white men founded this nation for whites to feel they have been given their accurate place in American history? Do we describe George Washington as the first white president and continue to name 44 presidents as the white presidents for some whites to understand just how much white history has been taught? They whine about February but what do we call the other months in reference to American history? Should we call the 11 other months of the year white history month so that whites can understand?

The same goes for other cultural matters. I have heard whites crying about Miss Black America. The usual whining is how unfair it is and how the outcry would be huge if whites had a pageant that was named Miss White America. What do they think the pageant was from 1921 until 1970 when no one of color was allowed to compete in the pageant? It was not until 1970 that a black contestant participated in the Miss America pageant, Miss Cheryl Brown. So then it was apparent the pageant was for whites only. For 50 years it was the Miss White America Pageant. Now just because white people didn’t call it that doesn’t mean that wasn’t what it was. It took until 1983 for a woman of color to win the pageant and these two things alone were why there was and is a Miss Black USA. Are whites that blind to the things they have done to think they are not included just because they did not expressly name something the white this or that even while excluding anyone not white?

Whites are crying about Historically Black Colleges. But then just because you call yourself Harvard doesn’t exclude the fact that you are historically white. I can say that for almost every university, private or public in this country. Blacks built colleges because we weren’t allowed into historically white colleges and today just because whites don’t call these colleges exactly what they are, they cry about HBCU’s like there is no such things as an HWCU.

Then we have the granddaddy of them all. The substitution theory. I call this the substitution theory because this is when conservative or republican whites decide to build the scarecrow. This theory holds that if you substitute the word white instead of black things are treated differently and because of this whites are losing their rights and freedom. For example it’s cool for blacks to have a TV station called BET, but if you let whites have such a station it is racist.

“It's totally racist to have Black History Month, Black Music Awards, Black only magazines... If whites had White Music Awards or something like that, all the snowflakes, white and brown, would go apeshit. And there would be a massive run on bananas.”

“If you replaced everything with a White, it would not be taken well by minorities of this country.
I.E replace Farrakhan with David Duke, and replace African American interests, with White American interests.... How would minorities react to that?”

White USMB forum poster​

People can’t be this dumb. For years ABC might have well stood for American Broadcasting for Caucasians. NBC, National Broadcasting for Caucasians and CBS the Caucasian Broadcasting Service. The lack of black reporters news anchors, news shows and entertainment broadcast on these networks is why Black Entertainment Television was founded. It is apparent that alternative facts did not start during the Trump Administration.

 

[IM2]

There is no discrimination. Those like you who believe that any success by someone who is non white, comes at the expense of one of "your people" is the problem.

I do not believe that any success by someone who is non white comes at the expense of one of my people.


I do believe that when non whites are discriminated in favor of, THAT comes at the expense of one of my people.


I've been clear about that. But you need to lie about what I believe in, and fight that strawman, because on some level you know that what I actually say and believe,


you can't refute.

Non whites are not the recipients of any favors at the expense of "your people". "Your people" were in a position for generation after generation able to lawfully discriminate against non whites and did


Now that discrimination is against the law, and a system of more fairness is in place, you've become a victim.

But on the other hand have stated that you have done "fairly well"

It is clear that you believe if there is a succesful non white(and of course you mean "Black") standing next to a not so successful white, that the black must have been granted favoritism at the expense of the white.

And by denying that you believe that to be true, is a lie.

That aside, I am not going to debate your "beliefs" with you.

I've been arround far longer than you and have heard the same rhetoric from countless individuals like you, for decades.

With all due respect, Katsteve...that's always been the Achilles heel of laws like Affirmative Action...by giving an advantage to the disadvantaged you leave them open to being viewed as unworthy when they do succeed. It's the tradeoff you make.

I understand how that works. But any person who is a rational thinker, knows that is not always the case.

And for one to assume that such a program automatically affects others on a widespread scale adversely, is not really thinking at all. Especially if one understands the history of why such a program was even necessary.

Absolutely! There are people who are SO much better at their job that it would be ludicrous to say they only succeeded because of Affirmative Action but my point is that you need to BE that much better than the person working beside you because you are always going to be looked at with a jaundiced eye because you were an AA hire!

Now that's one side of the equation. The other side is the AA hire that does a terrible job yet is kept on at that job because his or her employer is scared to death of being accused of being a "racist" because they fired someone who was a minority!

You really are that stupid. Do whites look at themselves with jaundiced eyes for the AA they have got continuously or a minimum of 242 years? The other side of the equation is that whites get hired, do a piss poor job ad still get promoted.

 

[Oldstyle]

Whites are tired of being discriminated against for your ungrateful ass.

That might not be complex, but it is true.

Too bad. If whites werent such fuckups globally as well as here in the US more people of color would tolerate you.

It's good you don't speak for all people of color.

And you speak for none, so don't try doing it.

A's opinion is pretty much the majority black opinion in America. If you don't think so, find an all black forum and start posting.

All black forum eh ??? That's a little racist ain't it ?? What if there were all white anything ?? You'd be crapping your pants about it, but funny the blacks can have all black this or all black that, and it's supposed to be A-ok ?? Hypocrisy runs strong in you or your ilk doesn't it ??

Not really. But since you bought it up.

ALL RISE! CLASS IS IN SESSION!

The honorable IM2 presiding.

Another use of the false equivalence by whites pertains to the issues of history and cultural identification. For example, whites have been whining for years about why they cannot have a white history month. To ask this question, one must either be severely mentally challenged, suffering from psychosis, or are a racist purposefully building a strawman. I’m serious when I say that. I am always stumped when I am asked that question. Are these people really that stupid? Do they not pay attention to how American history has been portrayed? Is it that just because it’s not called white history do they not think that whites have not been described as part of history?

How much plainer does it need to be made? The founders of this nation were all white men. Do we need to say that 55 white men founded this nation for whites to feel they have been given their accurate place in American history? Do we describe George Washington as the first white president and continue to name 44 presidents as the white presidents for some whites to understand just how much white history has been taught? They whine about February but what do we call the other months in reference to American history? Should we call the 11 other months of the year white history month so that whites can understand?

The same goes for other cultural matters. I have heard whites crying about Miss Black America. The usual whining is how unfair it is and how the outcry would be huge if whites had a pageant that was named Miss White America. What do they think the pageant was from 1921 until 1970 when no one of color was allowed to compete in the pageant? It was not until 1970 that a black contestant participated in the Miss America pageant, Miss Cheryl Brown. So then it was apparent the pageant was for whites only. For 50 years it was the Miss White America Pageant. Now just because white people didn’t call it that doesn’t mean that wasn’t what it was. It took until 1983 for a woman of color to win the pageant and these two things alone were why there was and is a Miss Black USA. Are whites that blind to the things they have done to think they are not included just because they did not expressly name something the white this or that even while excluding anyone not white?

Whites are crying about Historically Black Colleges. But then just because you call yourself Harvard doesn’t exclude the fact that you are historically white. I can say that for almost every university, private or public in this country. Blacks built colleges because we weren’t allowed into historically white colleges and today just because whites don’t call these colleges exactly what they are, they cry about HBCU’s like there is no such things as an HWCU.

Then we have the granddaddy of them all. The substitution theory. I call this the substitution theory because this is when conservative or republican whites decide to build the scarecrow. This theory holds that if you substitute the word white instead of black things are treated differently and because of this whites are losing their rights and freedom. For example it’s cool for blacks to have a TV station called BET, but if you let whites have such a station it is racist.

“It's totally racist to have Black History Month, Black Music Awards, Black only magazines... If whites had White Music Awards or something like that, all the snowflakes, white and brown, would go apeshit. And there would be a massive run on bananas.”

“If you replaced everything with a White, it would not be taken well by minorities of this country.
I.E replace Farrakhan with David Duke, and replace African American interests, with White American interests.... How would minorities react to that?”

White USMB forum poster​

People can’t be this dumb. For years ABC might have well stood for American Broadcasting for Caucasians. NBC, National Broadcasting for Caucasians and CBS the Caucasian Broadcasting Service. The lack of black reporters news anchors, news shows and entertainment broadcast on these networks is why Black Entertainment Television was founded. It is apparent that alternative facts did not start during the Trump Administration.

Interesting concept..."Professor"!

You cite Miss America past racism as the reason to have a Miss Black America? Since 1980 a black woman has won Miss America on an average of once every 3 years which means that for the past forty years black women have been winning that contest at a far greater rate than their population ratio in the US and yet you STILL have a Miss Black America pageant? Why is that when it's obvious that blacks are no longer discriminated against at the Miss America pageant?

 

[Oldstyle]

You cite college enrollments as proof of systemic racism in America? I suppose you think Barack Obama got into Columbia and Harvard Law School on the merits of his academic work and not because of his skin pigmentation? Let's be honest here...Ivy League colleges FIGHT over qualified black applicants and admit those who aren't as qualified as other racial pools. If you're an Asian student trying to get into Harvard you've got your work cut out for you because you're going to face a quota system that places other races before you. Yet we STILL have historic black colleges? Why exactly?

 

[Oldstyle]

Do you still claim that blacks are "under represented" on television and THAT is why you need a BET? Do you even watch TV these days?

 

[Oldstyle]

I do not believe that any success by someone who is non white comes at the expense of one of my people.


I do believe that when non whites are discriminated in favor of, THAT comes at the expense of one of my people.


I've been clear about that. But you need to lie about what I believe in, and fight that strawman, because on some level you know that what I actually say and believe,


you can't refute.

Non whites are not the recipients of any favors at the expense of "your people". "Your people" were in a position for generation after generation able to lawfully discriminate against non whites and did


Now that discrimination is against the law, and a system of more fairness is in place, you've become a victim.

But on the other hand have stated that you have done "fairly well"

It is clear that you believe if there is a succesful non white(and of course you mean "Black") standing next to a not so successful white, that the black must have been granted favoritism at the expense of the white.

And by denying that you believe that to be true, is a lie.

That aside, I am not going to debate your "beliefs" with you.

I've been arround far longer than you and have heard the same rhetoric from countless individuals like you, for decades.

With all due respect, Katsteve...that's always been the Achilles heel of laws like Affirmative Action...by giving an advantage to the disadvantaged you leave them open to being viewed as unworthy when they do succeed. It's the tradeoff you make.

Thats the reason most people view whites in the US as unworthy. They had self legislated AA for centuries not just a couple of years.

Most people view whites in the US as unworthy? Really? What does "self legislation" even mean?

All you had to do was look it up.

Definition of SELF-LEGISLATING



self-legislating
adjective


Definition of self-legislating


: making rules or laws for oneself

Making rules or laws for "oneself" is the nature of politics! What's remarkable about US history is the times that a white majority have passed legislation that benefits those who are not white. Yet you think the world views American whites as "unworthy"? The world has become rather stupid then...hasn't it?

 

[boedicca]

Get back to us when you loons quit worshipping Obabble.

This from someone whose party still worships Reagan.

It so depressing what some people here think passes for wit.

What’s funny, is that some conservative would deny it.

Forgive me, but I do not recognize you as an authority on anything either humorous or interesting.

 

[Taz]

What is it, exactly, are they trying to say, or communicate when they spout that line?

I'd love to have the self-professed Republicans, Conservatives and other assorted Rightwingers of USMB weigh in on this.

Proceed...

It sounds better than "we're the party of Trump"?

 

[katsteve2012]

Whites are tired of being discriminated against for your ungrateful ass.

That might not be complex, but it is true.

Too bad. If whites werent such fuckups globally as well as here in the US more people of color would tolerate you.

It's good you don't speak for all people of color.

And you speak for none, so don't try doing it.

A's opinion is pretty much the majority black opinion in America. If you don't think so, find an all black forum and start posting.

All black forum eh ??? That's a little racist ain't it ?? What if there were all white anything ?? You'd be crapping your pants about it, but funny the blacks can have all black this or all black that, and it's supposed to be A-ok ?? Hypocrisy runs strong in you or your ilk doesn't it ??

Not really. But since you bought it up.

ALL RISE! CLASS IS IN SESSION!

The honorable IM2 presiding.

Another use of the false equivalence by whites pertains to the issues of history and cultural identification. For example, whites have been whining for years about why they cannot have a white history month. To ask this question, one must either be severely mentally challenged, suffering from psychosis, or are a racist purposefully building a strawman. I’m serious when I say that. I am always stumped when I am asked that question. Are these people really that stupid? Do they not pay attention to how American history has been portrayed? Is it that just because it’s not called white history do they not think that whites have not been described as part of history?

How much plainer does it need to be made? The founders of this nation were all white men. Do we need to say that 55 white men founded this nation for whites to feel they have been given their accurate place in American history? Do we describe George Washington as the first white president and continue to name 44 presidents as the white presidents for some whites to understand just how much white history has been taught? They whine about February but what do we call the other months in reference to American history? Should we call the 11 other months of the year white history month so that whites can understand?

The same goes for other cultural matters. I have heard whites crying about Miss Black America. The usual whining is how unfair it is and how the outcry would be huge if whites had a pageant that was named Miss White America. What do they think the pageant was from 1921 until 1970 when no one of color was allowed to compete in the pageant? It was not until 1970 that a black contestant participated in the Miss America pageant, Miss Cheryl Brown. So then it was apparent the pageant was for whites only. For 50 years it was the Miss White America Pageant. Now just because white people didn’t call it that doesn’t mean that wasn’t what it was. It took until 1983 for a woman of color to win the pageant and these two things alone were why there was and is a Miss Black USA. Are whites that blind to the things they have done to think they are not included just because they did not expressly name something the white this or that even while excluding anyone not white?

Whites are crying about Historically Black Colleges. But then just because you call yourself Harvard doesn’t exclude the fact that you are historically white. I can say that for almost every university, private or public in this country. Blacks built colleges because we weren’t allowed into historically white colleges and today just because whites don’t call these colleges exactly what they are, they cry about HBCU’s like there is no such things as an HWCU.

Then we have the granddaddy of them all. The substitution theory. I call this the substitution theory because this is when conservative or republican whites decide to build the scarecrow. This theory holds that if you substitute the word white instead of black things are treated differently and because of this whites are losing their rights and freedom. For example it’s cool for blacks to have a TV station called BET, but if you let whites have such a station it is racist.

“It's totally racist to have Black History Month, Black Music Awards, Black only magazines... If whites had White Music Awards or something like that, all the snowflakes, white and brown, would go apeshit. And there would be a massive run on bananas.”

“If you replaced everything with a White, it would not be taken well by minorities of this country.
I.E replace Farrakhan with David Duke, and replace African American interests, with White American interests.... How would minorities react to that?”

White USMB forum poster​

People can’t be this dumb. For years ABC might have well stood for American Broadcasting for Caucasians. NBC, National Broadcasting for Caucasians and CBS the Caucasian Broadcasting Service. The lack of black reporters news anchors, news shows and entertainment broadcast on these networks is why Black Entertainment Television was founded. It is apparent that alternative facts did not start during the Trump Administration.

 

[katsteve2012]

There is no discrimination. Those like you who believe that any success by someone who is non white, comes at the expense of one of "your people" is the problem.

I do not believe that any success by someone who is non white comes at the expense of one of my people.


I do believe that when non whites are discriminated in favor of, THAT comes at the expense of one of my people.


I've been clear about that. But you need to lie about what I believe in, and fight that strawman, because on some level you know that what I actually say and believe,


you can't refute.

Non whites are not the recipients of any favors at the expense of "your people". "Your people" were in a position for generation after generation able to lawfully discriminate against non whites and did


Now that discrimination is against the law, and a system of more fairness is in place, you've become a victim.

But on the other hand have stated that you have done "fairly well"

It is clear that you believe if there is a succesful non white(and of course you mean "Black") standing next to a not so successful white, that the black must have been granted favoritism at the expense of the white.

And by denying that you believe that to be true, is a lie.

That aside, I am not going to debate your "beliefs" with you.

I've been arround far longer than you and have heard the same rhetoric from countless individuals like you, for decades.

With all due respect, Katsteve...that's always been the Achilles heel of laws like Affirmative Action...by giving an advantage to the disadvantaged you leave them open to being viewed as unworthy when they do succeed. It's the tradeoff you make.

I understand how that works. But any person who is a rational thinker, knows that is not always the case.

And for one to assume that such a program automatically affects others on a widespread scale adversely, is not really thinking at all. Especially if one understands the history of why such a program was even necessary.

Absolutely! There are people who are SO much better at their job that it would be ludicrous to say they only succeeded because of Affirmative Action but my point is that you need to BE that much better than the person working beside you because you are always going to be looked at with a jaundiced eye because you were an AA hire!

Now that's one side of the equation. The other side is the AA hire that does a terrible job yet is kept on at that job because his or her employer is scared to death of being accused of being a "racist" because they fired someone who was a minority!

Even without a program like AA(which now benefits more military vets, disabled people, and white females), a black employee in most cases still needs to work harder in order to not be scrutinized negatively.

Because of the fact that it is typically assumed automatically that they were an AA hire. And that is not the case more often than not.