Why Do Liberals Hate the Free Market?

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    Why do so many liberals see the free market ( i.e. capitalism) as evil?

    The free market got rid of major diseases that plauged humanity for centuries

    The free market has raised the standard of living around the world

    The free market allows people with little means to attain great amounts of wealth

    The free market gave the US the best education system in the world before government got involved

    The free market is an excellent system which allows the people able to please the greatest number of people with products and services succeed.


    Yet liberals want the government to micromanage the free market and make government the answer to all problems
     
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    Because when free markets are operating, they expose human differences in ability that liberals can't abide. Some will get richer because they're smarter and harder-working. Liberals hate that idea.
     
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    I think you're referring to leftists. Liberals can embrace free markets just a easily (maybe moreso) than conservatives, but leftists demand that excellence be forcefully handicapped and incompetence be forcefully promomoted to establish a "fairness" whose primary characteristic is mediocracy. Pointing this out is not ignoring that rightists have their own notions of "fairness" enforced at gunpoint to promote their notions hereditary and "might makes right" notions of social stratification--they're not too keen on free markets either.

    The reason, I think, that some folks oppose free markets is that free markets endorse the notion that human beings are not entitled, by need, by force, by group membership, or by heredity, to make other human beings the means to their own ends.
     
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    I know, why don't we privatize the military? If we create a free market for mercenaries, then free market competition between competing firms will lower the cost of maintaining a military, and lower the wage for soldiers to cut down on costs. We will also have less bureaucracy to deal with, and less corruption. Those liberals should be for privatizing the military. Maybe then if they thought it was more affordable they wouldn't be so insistent on cutting and running.
     
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    What country has a free market? Most countries I know of have some sort of subsidy for certain industries... also, the things most fundamental in a nation are dealt with in a socialist manner. Why would that be if free-market capitalist style was superior?

    Maybe there will be a truly socialist nation someday we could use as an example, or for that matter, a truly capitalist nation for an example, until then, we only have rough approximations of each economic model...
     
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    What free market? Our market is dominated by profit hungry multi-national corporation who gladly ship jobs overseas rather than pay prevailing wages to American workers.
     
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    So you don't believe wealth should be passed down from 'smart, hard-working parents'? I guess that would allow some to be rich even if they didn't earn it by being smart and hardworking.
    Not sure the scope of your definition of liberal, but if I qualify then I disagree - I do NOT hate differences in human ability or think hardwork and smarts should go unrewarded, or that we should pay people the same if they are lazy assholes as we would ambitious champions. But when one group exerts more influence then others and its not because of IQ but becuase of priviledge unearned... well that just sounds to me like propping up lazy assholes...
     
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    Actually - that does seem free-market to me. Freedom to have your workforce anywhere, to sell goods anywhere... agree or disagree with the ethics, outsourcing is pure capitalism and those that are true capitalists embrace it.
    Perhaps some should think about the purpose of 'business' in the first place, if it only exists to serve humanity and make life better, then a certain trajectory of strategy would mold laws/regulations/rewards to that end. If the goal is just one-upmanship, and infighting... well.... we should carry on.
     
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    America will never be a command economy. The free market is crucial because we have the most consumers in the world, and to keep that economy strong we need demand for product without coersion. I wouldnt trust the government with any authority over that, especially right now. BUT, i dont agree with the sky rocketing gas profits of the past 3 years. A free market is a market without force, but i feel like the gas companys lie about the supply and hike up the prices because we are FORCED to buy gas to fuel our cars and go about our buisness. We know there is plenty of oil in the world, no need to raise gas prices and pretend the supply is low while posting up record profits in back to back years, that is a command market! Not a free market. Other than that i like the way the US free market makes money off of trend and the sheep/consumerists who buy in. Its kinda funny.
     
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    Those "profit hungry multi-national corporations" are responsible for the lowest unemployment rate in years.
     

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