Why didn't House Democrats follow normal protocol to call impeachment witnesses?

[BlindBoo]

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

What could be more compelling than a video tape of Joe Biden bragging about forcing the issue with the Ukrainians? Or are you now claiming that Joe Biden was lying when he was bragging?

And he got what the EU, the IMF and the Obama Administration (with bipartisan support) wanted. The corrupt prosecutor was removed. That's a big difference from demanding a very public announcement of a investigation into a political rival wouldn't you say?

If the guy was so corrupt and already under scrutiny, why the need to go there with the $1B?

I think it was part of the overall strategy of moving The Ukraine away from Russia and closer to the West.

 

[basquebromance]

Jonathan Turley, well-known constitutional law expert (and liberal Democrat!) says Democrats' rushed impeachment process will "go down as one of the greatest historic blunders of a House of Congress."

 

[Yarddog]

Democrats have to prove that Trump asking Zelensky to look into corruption was solely for Trump's own benefit.

In the call the only things he mention to Zelensky by name was the Biden and the DNC Server/Crowdstrike nonsense. Maybe he was speaking some kind of code or something, like Don Corleone, but he never said to investigate corruption generally, but specifically mentioned those two. Furthermore, the specifics of the statements required by Trump had to include references to the Bidens.

So if uncovering corruption that so happened to involve Biden or his son in this case somehow helped Trump, that would still be incidental.

Coincidentally, one of the two items specifically brought up by Trump on the perfect call?

Seems to me, if Biden did nothing wrong there would be no benefit to Trump would there now? And the real benefit of uncovering corruption by Biden IF there was any,... would be to the people who voted for Biden.
Why do you only believe uncovering corruption only benefits Trump?... and here lies the problem for Democrats. They are simply making up motive by Trump as they go along.If you ask me, Trump had no incentive to "DIG UP DIRT" on Biden. Trump has him beat hands down in an election without any help. Democrats also know their platform is so weak that impeachment is the only way they can beat him. Information on Biden is not needed. If we are going to assume motive (WHICH IS WHAT THE DEMS ARE DOING), then i am going to assume Trump's motive in his perhaps clumsy way was only to bring transparency now that there was a new President in Ukraine.

The fact that Democrats wanted to Impeach Trump... people like Nadler... from the very beginning of his Administration reeks of partisanship and corruption to me, and it's just not something I can forget or get away from.

 

[basquebromance]

Schiff’s doctrine = If at first you don’t succeed, lie, lie again

 

[BlindBoo]

Seems to me, if Biden did nothing wrong there would be no benefit to Trump would there now?

I think it's completely naive to believe Trump wouldn't weaponize the public announcements he went to so much trouble getting to his advantage, like he did the pubic knowledge of the FBI investigation of Sec. Clinton. Just switch him for her and his pep rallies script is already to go.

Why do you only believe uncovering corruption only benefits Trump?

I believe he wasn't looking for corruption, only the announcement of Biden under investigation.

Trump had no incentive to "DIG UP DIRT" on Biden.

Correct. If there was dirt on Biden it would have to go though the DOJ and they usually don't publicly announce investigations. But you never know.........

 

[Oldstyle]

Schiff’s doctrine = If at first you don’t succeed, lie, lie again

They sent Adam Schiff out to talk about "character"? Not for nothing Democrats but who the hell is in charge of this farce? Adam Schiff is as sleazy as they come. You send HIM out as the guy to call out Trump? This just goes to show how pathetically weak their case has been right from the start. Stick a pin in this one, Kiddies...it's done!

 

[jc456]

Democrats have to prove that Trump asking Zelensky to look into corruption was solely for Trump's own benefit.

In the call the only things he mention to Zelensky by name was the Biden and the DNC Server/Crowdstrike nonsense. Maybe he was speaking some kind of code or something, like Don Corleone, but he never said to investigate corruption generally, but specifically mentioned those two. Furthermore, the specifics of the statements required by Trump had to include references to the Bidens.

So if uncovering corruption that so happened to involve Biden or his son in this case somehow helped Trump, that would still be incidental.

Coincidentally, one of the two items specifically brought up by Trump on the perfect call?

Well the crowdstrike nonsense infers 2016 and not 2020! Oops goes against the articles

Must be your density. It was so unfair that Ukraine did that, we need to re-litigate it in 2020 with a little help from .....ops. Impeached!

I thought that was the entire demofks position? Where is it I’m wrong?

 

[Nostra]

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them?

Something? What something? Like demanding an announcement of corruption investigations into political rivals. Yeah, I think Trumpybear is the first one to try that shit.

He didn't demand anything, liar.

 

[Nostra]

To me, the real question should be whether Trump had a reason to suspect wrong-doing on Joe Biden's part.

So why is Trump asking Zelensky to get to the bottom of something wrong?

Nothing wrong with investigations. Let me ask you both, would it have been okay for the FBI to announce it was investigating Trump and possible Russian attempts to help him during the GOP primaries? Would it have been okay for Obama to coerce an ally using foreign aid as leverage,into announcing an investigation into Romney's possible corruption in 2011?

You mean like high ranking members of the FBI going to the press to leak the Steele dossiers just prior to the election? That actually happened.

As for alleged "coercion" by Trump? Unlike Barry who gave the Ukraine blankets when they were begging for weapons to defend themselves from Russia...Donald Trump gave the Ukraine military aid so that they COULD defend themselves!

Did Trump ask a favor of the Ukrainian President? Yes he did. He asked his counterpart to look into what the Biden's had been doing in the Ukraine and he asked him to look into the stories that people in the Ukraine colluded with Hillary Clinton's campaign...requests that the Ukrainian President has been quite clear in stating DIDN'T come with a quid pro quo provision!

asking for help is one thing, holding back aid $$ to get it is the rub.

Shitforhair did both

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them? One of the things that makes our system of justice so great, Siete is that it's based on the premise of "equal justice"! What that means is that everyone gets the same treatment. So is Trump being treated like other Presidents before him? Did you want to make that claim as well?

nah - hes like nixon

he just got caught

what others did dont float - getting busted does

see how that works

Is he facing a 51 vote removal?

 

[Nostra]

Its simple. They didn't follow normal protocol so they could call it Obstruction of Congress.
Democrats are fighting for their lives to get Trump out of office for fear deeper corruption will be uncovered.

Thanks to the Republicans investigations of Obama, the House Committee chairs have subpoena power without a full vote on the House floor to authorize them. Trumpybear started the blanket obstruction of any Congressional Investigation via House Subpoena, before he obstructed the investigation into his Ukraine Shakedown Scheme.

he challenged them, that's allowed. they had to go to court. no obstruction sowwwy chawy

They are in court and the House has won every round. Allowing complete and total obstruction of relevant fact witnesses places the president above the law and accountability, thus abrogating the impeachment power outlined in our Constitution.

they didn't win shit. Bolton was never subpoena'd, never. you're mistaken as always.

bolton hasnt been served with a subpoena - YET

FTFY

Why not? The House Clowns claim he is critical to their case. Why did the refuse to subpoena him?

 

[Nostra]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Biden is saying he had a hand in it.

no, he bragged he did it. he mentioned nothing of any other country or anyone else. did he lie? So now you want a blatant liar as president

So you guys don't have the actual conversation or transcript of when Biden forced the issue with the Ukrainians? Just Good old Joe Bragging about it?

Your defense of Quid Pro Joe is that he is a liar.

How nice.

 

[Nostra]

Schiff’s doctrine = If at first you don’t succeed, lie, lie again

It's funny cuz it's true.

 

[Norman]

 

[justoffal]

COUNT DOWN TO DA FIZZLE!

 

[Flash]

Shiffty Schiff said over the weekend that he had proven Trump's guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt.

So no more Democrat bitching about more witnesses, right?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They issued a subpoena to Mulvaney, who refused to comply. Clearly, Executive Privilege could be used as the reason. But Trump's attorneys argue that the subpoena was invalid because the underlying reason for issuing it was the "impeachment inquiry", but the problem with that is Nazi Pelousy never held the required vote to implement an impeachment inquiry.

The reason for refusing to comply doesn't matter. Normal protocol when a subpoena is denied is to take it to the courts to get a ruling.

Why didn't Nazi and her House Clowns follow normal protocol? The withdrew the Muclvaney subpeona and did not go to court. Instead, they rushed a vote and are now over at the Senate begging jurors to conduct an investigation that was their responsibility.

Board Dimwingers refuse to acknowledge the responsibility for not having the witnesses they now claim is crucial to their "overwhelming" case is on the House Clowns. Not Trump. Not the Senate.

Once again, don't argue whether or not the reason for challenging the subpoena is valid. That will get nothing done here. That's is now a question for the courts. Dimwingers refused to go to the courts.

So stop trying to blame Trump and the Senate for the failures of your House Clowns to do their job.

The impeachment inquiry was an investigation to see if there was evidence to move to formal impeachment.

Why would they open formal impeachment proceedings before knowing the circumstances of the president's actions and whether impeachment was even warranted?

Oversight and supoena authority still exist in the absence of formal impeachment proceedings.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

We know what Trumpybear did and why. We know Trumpublicans in the Senate will never convict ol'Trumpybear no matter who appears or what they say. Getting Trumpublican hypocrisy front an center and bashing their candidates with it till November is the only alternative.

Enjoy the show.

So, you have nothing to offer on the subject of YOUR House Clowns failing to do their job.

Got it.

Getting the facts before the Citizens,reiterating and reinforcing them for the next 11 months is their job. Nobody expects to remove Trumpybear from office. Removing him wouldn't change the balance of power anyway, but the 2020 election can. Trumpublicans can't argue the facts, Dumbshit Donnie exposed his strong arm plan to the world that his goal with his phone call was to get the Bidens' investigated by the Ukraine.

So it’s okay to investigate Trumps alledged wrong doing but the Biden’s are untouchables? Why the fuck is that?

So it’s okay to investigate Trumps alledged wrong doing but the Biden’s are untouchables? Why the fuck is that?

Who's investigating the Bidens?
So far it's been nothing more than suggestions and innuendo.

As Joe Biden competes for a win in Iowa, one GOP senator is already talking about impeaching him

 

[The Original Tree]

Since when do Democrats follow rules. You see what they did to Tulsi to keep her out and then changed the rules again, to let Bloomberg in.
Bloomberg

 

[Hutch Starskey]

What you call "coercion" Boo is what EVERY President does when handing out foreign aid!

Yes they do. However, this is the first time a President tried to coerced a foreign nation into announcing investigations into his domestic political rivals with our foreign aid.

It's corruption. Trumpublicans apparently accept that type of corruption.

That's okay Democrats accept the corruption of lying about getting a blow job so........it's all equal, right?

I would view it as "corruption" if Trump had asked the Ukrainian President to make up something bad about Joe Biden that he could then use against him in a political race...you know...like the Democrats actually DID to Trump with the Steele dossiers? Trump didn't do that though...did he? He simply asked the Ukrainian President to investigate what the Biden's had been doing. He also asked the Ukrainian President to look into collusion between the Democrats and Ukrainians in that last Presidential election. Once again...he didn't ask them to make up something...Trump simply asked his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate. That's where the left's narrative of "corruption" simply falls on it's face! Since when is it corrupt to ask for an investigation into apparent corruption?

Allegations surrounding the Bidens are already "made up". Made up by Trump himself. He was simply trying to make it look more true, official and nefarious by having a foreign govt back his narrative.

Where are the investigations?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You mean like high ranking members of the FBI going to the press to leak the Steele

No. I mean like going to the podium during an announced press briefing and announcing it publicly.

Unlike Barry who gave the Ukraine blankets

Slanderous lies.

By March 2015, the US had committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine and had pledged an additional $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
That assistance also included some 230 armored Humvee vehicles.


Trump appears to be echoing a critique leveled at the Obama administration by the late Republican Sen. John McCain. "The Ukrainians are being slaughtered and we're sending blankets and meals," McCain said in 2015. "Blankets don't do well against Russian tanks."
While it never provided lethal aid, many of the items that the Obama administration did provide were seen as critical to Ukraine's military. Part of the $250 million assistance package that the Trump administration announced (then froze and later unfroze) included many of the same items that were provided under Obama, including medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar.

Did Trump ask a favor of the Ukrainian President?

Yeah right, like "Don" Corleone was asking Roberto the Slum Lord for a "Favor" too.

You want to take a crack at telling me how "medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar" is the same as weapons? When your friends ask you for weapons and you send the above...all you're really doing is "posturing"! It's what Barry did best!

Completely irrelevant to Trump's actions.