Why didn't House Democrats follow normal protocol to call impeachment witnesses?

[LeftofLeft]

We know what Trumpybear did and why. We know Trumpublicans in the Senate will never convict ol'Trumpybear no matter who appears or what they say. Getting Trumpublican hypocrisy front an center and bashing their candidates with it till November is the only alternative.

Enjoy the show.

The show is a shitshow. The only thing Trump did was prevent the coronation of your candidate by winning the Election. Your side has been pushing for Impeachment from his inauguration looking for any means possible. The candidate your side may be voting for President bragged about using his power as Vice President withholding a billion dollars in aide to Ukraine unless they called off the prosecutor who was pursuing his corrupt son. That is the hypocrisy on display.

 

[BlindBoo]

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them?

Something? What something? Like demanding an announcement of corruption investigations into political rivals. Yeah, I think Trumpybear is the first one to try that shit.

 

[Oldstyle]

You mean like high ranking members of the FBI going to the press to leak the Steele

No. I mean like going to the podium during an announced press briefing and announcing it publicly.

Unlike Barry who gave the Ukraine blankets

Slanderous lies.

By March 2015, the US had committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine and had pledged an additional $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
That assistance also included some 230 armored Humvee vehicles.


Trump appears to be echoing a critique leveled at the Obama administration by the late Republican Sen. John McCain. "The Ukrainians are being slaughtered and we're sending blankets and meals," McCain said in 2015. "Blankets don't do well against Russian tanks."
While it never provided lethal aid, many of the items that the Obama administration did provide were seen as critical to Ukraine's military. Part of the $250 million assistance package that the Trump administration announced (then froze and later unfroze) included many of the same items that were provided under Obama, including medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar.

Did Trump ask a favor of the Ukrainian President?

Yeah right, like "Don" Corleone was asking Roberto the Slum Lord for a "Favor" too.

You want to take a crack at telling me how "medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar" is the same as weapons? When your friends ask you for weapons and you send the above...all you're really doing is "posturing"! It's what Barry did best!

 

[Oldstyle]

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them?

Something? What something? Like demanding an announcement of corruption investigations into political rivals. Yeah, I think Trumpybear is the first one to try that shit.

The Obama Administration skipped right past the announcement of an investigation...they went right to announcing that there was proof Trump was owned by the Russians! So which is worse...asking for an investigation...or using what you KNOW is a paid for political dirty trick...to smear your political opponent?

 

[BlindBoo]

Your side has been pushing for Impeachment from his inauguration looking for any means possible.

Democrats had no power to impeach for the first two years so that's like trying to change a tire without a jack. Lying about what VP did doesn't change Donnie's corrupt intent to use the bipartisan foreign aid to harm his political opponents.

 

[Siete]

To me, the real question should be whether Trump had a reason to suspect wrong-doing on Joe Biden's part.

So why is Trump asking Zelensky to get to the bottom of something wrong?

Nothing wrong with investigations. Let me ask you both, would it have been okay for the FBI to announce it was investigating Trump and possible Russian attempts to help him during the GOP primaries? Would it have been okay for Obama to coerce an ally using foreign aid as leverage,into announcing an investigation into Romney's possible corruption in 2011?

You mean like high ranking members of the FBI going to the press to leak the Steele dossiers just prior to the election? That actually happened.

As for alleged "coercion" by Trump? Unlike Barry who gave the Ukraine blankets when they were begging for weapons to defend themselves from Russia...Donald Trump gave the Ukraine military aid so that they COULD defend themselves!

Did Trump ask a favor of the Ukrainian President? Yes he did. He asked his counterpart to look into what the Biden's had been doing in the Ukraine and he asked him to look into the stories that people in the Ukraine colluded with Hillary Clinton's campaign...requests that the Ukrainian President has been quite clear in stating DIDN'T come with a quid pro quo provision!

asking for help is one thing, holding back aid $$ to get it is the rub.

Shitforhair did both

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them? One of the things that makes our system of justice so great, Siete is that it's based on the premise of "equal justice"! What that means is that everyone gets the same treatment. So is Trump being treated like other Presidents before him? Did you want to make that claim as well?

nah - hes like nixon

he just got caught

what others did dont float - getting busted does

see how that works

 

[BlindBoo]

You mean like high ranking members of the FBI going to the press to leak the Steele

No. I mean like going to the podium during an announced press briefing and announcing it publicly.

Unlike Barry who gave the Ukraine blankets

Slanderous lies.

By March 2015, the US had committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine and had pledged an additional $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
That assistance also included some 230 armored Humvee vehicles.


Trump appears to be echoing a critique leveled at the Obama administration by the late Republican Sen. John McCain. "The Ukrainians are being slaughtered and we're sending blankets and meals," McCain said in 2015. "Blankets don't do well against Russian tanks."
While it never provided lethal aid, many of the items that the Obama administration did provide were seen as critical to Ukraine's military. Part of the $250 million assistance package that the Trump administration announced (then froze and later unfroze) included many of the same items that were provided under Obama, including medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar.

Did Trump ask a favor of the Ukrainian President?

Yeah right, like "Don" Corleone was asking Roberto the Slum Lord for a "Favor" too.

You want to take a crack at telling me how "medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar" is the same as weapons? When your friends ask you for weapons and you send the above...all you're really doing is "posturing"! It's what Barry did best!

Just as soon as you finish explaining to me how "medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar" and armored Humvee are the same as blankets.

 

[BlindBoo]

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them?

Something? What something? Like demanding an announcement of corruption investigations into political rivals. Yeah, I think Trumpybear is the first one to try that shit.

The Obama Administration skipped right past the announcement of an investigation...they went right to announcing that there was proof Trump was owned by the Russians! So which is worse...asking for an investigation...or using what you KNOW is a paid for political dirty trick...to smear your political opponent?

Which is worse? Coercing a foreign ally into doing your dirty work against a domestic political opponent and party, especially when the party you are attacking helped in approving the aid.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Your side has been pushing for Impeachment from his inauguration looking for any means possible.

Democrats had no power to impeach for the first two years so that's like trying to change a tire without a jack. Lying about what VP did doesn't change Donnie's corrupt intent to use the bipartisan foreign aid to harm his political opponents.

The Democrats states Impeachment for Trump before they had any power yet it was a planned strategy in the absence of a crime. As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own? Prove that is a lie and use sources outside of what lies between your ears.

 

[Oldstyle]

To me, the real question should be whether Trump had a reason to suspect wrong-doing on Joe Biden's part.

So why is Trump asking Zelensky to get to the bottom of something wrong?

Nothing wrong with investigations. Let me ask you both, would it have been okay for the FBI to announce it was investigating Trump and possible Russian attempts to help him during the GOP primaries? Would it have been okay for Obama to coerce an ally using foreign aid as leverage,into announcing an investigation into Romney's possible corruption in 2011?

You mean like high ranking members of the FBI going to the press to leak the Steele dossiers just prior to the election? That actually happened.

As for alleged "coercion" by Trump? Unlike Barry who gave the Ukraine blankets when they were begging for weapons to defend themselves from Russia...Donald Trump gave the Ukraine military aid so that they COULD defend themselves!

Did Trump ask a favor of the Ukrainian President? Yes he did. He asked his counterpart to look into what the Biden's had been doing in the Ukraine and he asked him to look into the stories that people in the Ukraine colluded with Hillary Clinton's campaign...requests that the Ukrainian President has been quite clear in stating DIDN'T come with a quid pro quo provision!

asking for help is one thing, holding back aid $$ to get it is the rub.

Shitforhair did both

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them? One of the things that makes our system of justice so great, Siete is that it's based on the premise of "equal justice"! What that means is that everyone gets the same treatment. So is Trump being treated like other Presidents before him? Did you want to make that claim as well?

nah - hes like nixon

he just got caught

what others did dont float - getting busted does

see how that works

This is nothing at all like Nixon! There was an actual crime...a burglary...followed by an attempted cover up of that crime. Then Nixon tried to use the IRS against his political enemies. He was going to be impeached by a bi-partisan vote of the Senate because of things he'd done...not because his political opposition didn't like him.

In this case there is no crime...there was no cover up...and the only thing that Trump has used against his political enemies is his Twitter account!

 

[LeftofLeft]

Your side has been pushing for Impeachment from his inauguration looking for any means possible.

Democrats had no power to impeach for the first two years so that's like trying to change a tire without a jack. Lying about what VP did doesn't change Donnie's corrupt intent to use the bipartisan foreign aid to harm his political opponents.

Please explain Biden’s move here and how this should not be cause for concern should he become President

Joe Biden: "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money"

 

[JusticeHammer]

Because they are crooked and dishonest.

 

[Oldstyle]

Did you want to then claim that Trump is the first President to hold up aid to someone because they wanted something from them?

Something? What something? Like demanding an announcement of corruption investigations into political rivals. Yeah, I think Trumpybear is the first one to try that shit.

The Obama Administration skipped right past the announcement of an investigation...they went right to announcing that there was proof Trump was owned by the Russians! So which is worse...asking for an investigation...or using what you KNOW is a paid for political dirty trick...to smear your political opponent?

Which is worse? Coercing a foreign ally into doing your dirty work against a domestic political opponent and party, especially when the party you are attacking helped in approving the aid.

It's not even a contest, Boo! You liberals PAID foreign agents to smear your political opponent with a series of made up "dossiers" and then used higher ups at the FBI, CIA and Justice Department to give those phony dossiers credibility as they were leaked to a compliant Main Stream Media to influence the election!

All Trump did was ask for an investigation into what was a rather blatant example of influence peddling.

 

[JusticeHammer]

We know what Trumpybear did and why. We know Trumpublicans in the Senate will never convict ol'Trumpybear no matter who appears or what they say. Getting Trumpublican hypocrisy front an center and bashing their candidates with it till November is the only alternative.

Enjoy the show.

Idiot

 

[Oldstyle]

You mean like high ranking members of the FBI going to the press to leak the Steele

No. I mean like going to the podium during an announced press briefing and announcing it publicly.

Unlike Barry who gave the Ukraine blankets

Slanderous lies.

By March 2015, the US had committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine and had pledged an additional $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
That assistance also included some 230 armored Humvee vehicles.


Trump appears to be echoing a critique leveled at the Obama administration by the late Republican Sen. John McCain. "The Ukrainians are being slaughtered and we're sending blankets and meals," McCain said in 2015. "Blankets don't do well against Russian tanks."
While it never provided lethal aid, many of the items that the Obama administration did provide were seen as critical to Ukraine's military. Part of the $250 million assistance package that the Trump administration announced (then froze and later unfroze) included many of the same items that were provided under Obama, including medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar.

Did Trump ask a favor of the Ukrainian President?

Yeah right, like "Don" Corleone was asking Roberto the Slum Lord for a "Favor" too.

You want to take a crack at telling me how "medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar" is the same as weapons? When your friends ask you for weapons and you send the above...all you're really doing is "posturing"! It's what Barry did best!

Just as soon as you finish explaining to me how "medical equipment, night vision gear and counter-artillery radar" and armored Humvee are the same as blankets.

They are all non lethal items...duh?

 

[jc456]

They issued a subpoena to Mulvaney, who refused to comply. Clearly, Executive Privilege could be used as the reason. But Trump's attorneys argue that the subpoena was invalid because the underlying reason for issuing it was the "impeachment inquiry", but the problem with that is Nazi Pelousy never held the required vote to implement an impeachment inquiry.

The reason for refusing to comply doesn't matter. Normal protocol when a subpoena is denied is to take it to the courts to get a ruling.

Why didn't Nazi and her House Clowns follow normal protocol? The withdrew the Muclvaney subpeona and did not go to court. Instead, they rushed a vote and are now over at the Senate begging jurors to conduct an investigation that was their responsibility.

Board Dimwingers refuse to acknowledge the responsibility for not having the witnesses they now claim is crucial to their "overwhelming" case is on the House Clowns. Not Trump. Not the Senate.

Once again, don't argue whether or not the reason for challenging the subpoena is valid. That will get nothing done here. That's is now a question for the courts. Dimwingers refused to go to the courts.

So stop trying to blame Trump and the Senate for the failures of your House Clowns to do their job.

Its simple. They didn't follow normal protocol so they could call it Obstruction of Congress.
Democrats are fighting for their lives to get Trump out of office for fear deeper corruption will be uncovered.

Thanks to the Republicans investigations of Obama, the House Committee chairs have subpoena power without a full vote on the House floor to authorize them. Trumpybear started the blanket obstruction of any Congressional Investigation via House Subpoena, before he obstructed the investigation into his Ukraine Shakedown Scheme.

he challenged them, that's allowed. they had to go to court. no obstruction sowwwy chawy

They are in court and the House has won every round. Allowing complete and total obstruction of relevant fact witnesses places the president above the law and accountability, thus abrogating the impeachment power outlined in our Constitution.

they didn't win shit. Bolton was never subpoena'd, never. you're mistaken as always.

 

[Siete]

They issued a subpoena to Mulvaney, who refused to comply. Clearly, Executive Privilege could be used as the reason. But Trump's attorneys argue that the subpoena was invalid because the underlying reason for issuing it was the "impeachment inquiry", but the problem with that is Nazi Pelousy never held the required vote to implement an impeachment inquiry.

The reason for refusing to comply doesn't matter. Normal protocol when a subpoena is denied is to take it to the courts to get a ruling.

Why didn't Nazi and her House Clowns follow normal protocol? The withdrew the Muclvaney subpeona and did not go to court. Instead, they rushed a vote and are now over at the Senate begging jurors to conduct an investigation that was their responsibility.

Board Dimwingers refuse to acknowledge the responsibility for not having the witnesses they now claim is crucial to their "overwhelming" case is on the House Clowns. Not Trump. Not the Senate.

Once again, don't argue whether or not the reason for challenging the subpoena is valid. That will get nothing done here. That's is now a question for the courts. Dimwingers refused to go to the courts.

So stop trying to blame Trump and the Senate for the failures of your House Clowns to do their job.

Its simple. They didn't follow normal protocol so they could call it Obstruction of Congress.
Democrats are fighting for their lives to get Trump out of office for fear deeper corruption will be uncovered.

Thanks to the Republicans investigations of Obama, the House Committee chairs have subpoena power without a full vote on the House floor to authorize them. Trumpybear started the blanket obstruction of any Congressional Investigation via House Subpoena, before he obstructed the investigation into his Ukraine Shakedown Scheme.

he challenged them, that's allowed. they had to go to court. no obstruction sowwwy chawy

They are in court and the House has won every round. Allowing complete and total obstruction of relevant fact witnesses places the president above the law and accountability, thus abrogating the impeachment power outlined in our Constitution.

they didn't win shit. Bolton was never subpoena'd, never. you're mistaken as always.

bolton hasnt been served with a subpoena - YET

FTFY

 

[BlindBoo]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

 

[jc456]

Its simple. They didn't follow normal protocol so they could call it Obstruction of Congress.
Democrats are fighting for their lives to get Trump out of office for fear deeper corruption will be uncovered.

Thanks to the Republicans investigations of Obama, the House Committee chairs have subpoena power without a full vote on the House floor to authorize them. Trumpybear started the blanket obstruction of any Congressional Investigation via House Subpoena, before he obstructed the investigation into his Ukraine Shakedown Scheme.

he challenged them, that's allowed. they had to go to court. no obstruction sowwwy chawy

They are in court and the House has won every round. Allowing complete and total obstruction of relevant fact witnesses places the president above the law and accountability, thus abrogating the impeachment power outlined in our Constitution.

they didn't win shit. Bolton was never subpoena'd, never. you're mistaken as always.

bolton hasnt been served with a subpoena - YET

FTFY

he won't now. that doesn't answer my question.

 

[Siete]

As for Lying? Biden is on video bragging about it. Whose billion dollars was Biden withholding? His own?

The EU and the IMF were putting up 19 billion in loan guarantees. We were putting up 1 billion. They all wanted Shokin gone.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

....

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

thats the problem -

Trumpbots are too f'n stupid to figure out timelines - as long as Trump makes them believe Biden was there, then by damn he was there