but 2 distinct beings....Two persons. One God.
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but 2 distinct beings....Two persons. One God.
Yes, but one in purpose and agreement. Father, Son and Holy Spirit always agree. One God.but 2 distinct beings....
No. How Church Fathers explained it is that Jesus has two natures--one divine and one human. Same being, but two different natures. He took on human nature, but from the beginning his nature has always been divine--probably why in his human nature he was still able to live this life without sin.so Jesus and god are 2 separate beings?.....
What is the spiritual difference between two people who have led identical lives save one was baptized and one was not? Is the unbaptized forced to go to hell no matter what? Is the unbaptized more likely to sin in other ways? Does the lack of baptism directly cause suffering? Can we discern the presence of this stain? Is the stain from Eve succumbing to temptation differentiable from the stain of other sins our ancestors committed?Well, most christians believe that we are born with original sin on our souls. Oh, wait.. that's not exactly whatCatholics believe (not sure of others). We are born with the stain of original sin on our souls. That means that when our ancestors fell, our very nature fell... Sin is egregious (libs say something else but they can go back to Politics and be libs all they want...)
Anyhow, baptism washes away that stain.
And even then we see how evil people can be, even after being baptized. We are born LOST. Only Jesus can help us to find our way... by following HIS way.
Jesus is God
"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father"
"I and the Father are one"
You don't go to hell if you aren't baptized.What is the spiritual difference between two people who have led identical lives save one was baptized and one was not? Is the unbaptized forced to go to hell no matter what? Is the unbaptized more likely to sin in other ways? Does the lack of baptism directly cause suffering? Can we discern the presence of this stain? Is the stain from Eve succumbing to temptation differentiable from the stain of other sins our ancestors committed?
Origen
“Since our mind is in itself unable to behold God as he is, it knows the Father of the universe from the beauty of his works and from the elegance of his creatures. God, therefore, is not to be thought of as being either a body or as existing in a body, but as a simple intellectual being, admitting within himself no addition of any kind” (Fundamental Doctrines 1:1:6 [A.D. 225]).
What the Early Church Believed: God Has No Body
Certain groups, notably the Mormons, have committed the error of saying that God the Father has a human form. This was rejected by the early Christians.www.catholic.com
One invites the presence of God into his/her life.What is the spiritual difference between two people who have led identical lives save one was baptized and one was not?
No. And not necessarily, depending on the individual.Is the unbaptized forced to go to hell no matter what? Is the unbaptized more likely to sin in other ways?
No. I am going to silly here with my analogy because you just may appreciate it. Does a lack of a dog in my life (or spouse or children) cause suffering? But...is something missing or lacking without them? Having/including God in one's life is including something more into one's life. This is does not mean God isn't on the peripheral of the lives of non-believers, but when invited he more fully enters into that life.Does the lack of baptism directly cause suffering?
Can we discern the presence of all that is in DNA? I think this analogy works: If someone murders a young person, are all the descendants that young person may have fathered being punished by non-existence? Note, it wasn't even their father that committed the sin of murder! Yet another's sin meant no existence for some. Adam and Eve did something that changed the course of human existence. It's not that we are being punished for whatever they did, but humanity was affected by what they did.Can we discern the presence of this stain? Is the stain from Eve succumbing to temptation differentiable from the stain of other sins our ancestors committed?
good questionif jesus is god....who was he praying to in the garden that night?....
His Father. The disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray. Jesus began..."Our Father..."good question
so who was god praying too?....No. How Church Fathers explained it is that Jesus has two natures--one divine and one human. Same being, but two different natures. He took on human nature, but from the beginning his nature has always been divine--probably why in his human nature he was still able to live this life without sin.
up above you said he is god.....Two persons. One God.
Do you have a point you wish to make? That question was asked and answered already.so who was god praying too?....
Are you suggesting that the baptism is mandatory to have god in your life? I always like to consider a human raised in isolation with no exposure or knowledge of the bible or the teachings of a church. Take such a person and tell them that others believe in and worship an all-powerful god who created the universe but nothing else. Are they going to conceive of baptism or communion or the cross or the sabbath? No, unless god speaks to them and tells them of it.One invites the presence of God into his/her life.
That's good, but you know in times past it was held that baptism was necessary to get to heaven.No. And not necessarily, depending on the individual.
Why would he enter more fully into the life of the baptized? Surely it is possible for someone to want god in their lives with and without undergoing the procedure. What I'm trying to address here is more of the magic of the ritual.No. I am going to silly here with my analogy because you just may appreciate it. Does a lack of a dog in my life (or spouse or children) cause suffering? But...is something missing or lacking without them? Having/including God in one's life is including something more into one's life. This is does not mean God isn't on the peripheral of the lives of non-believers, but when invited he more fully enters into that life.
If there is ANY effect, then you have either proscribed the power of your omnipotent god or have given the ritual magical power over us.Think of it this way: Two people living the exact same life: One baptized, one not. What if the unbaptized had been baptized...would his life then surpassed a fellow human's life that was baptized? Was there a potential that was not fulfilled?
Some. And it is scientifically possible to determine what every bit of it is doing.Can we discern the presence of all that is in DNA?
No. You have to exist first to suffer punishment, to experience anything.I think this analogy works: If someone murders a young person, are all the descendants that young person may have fathered being punished by non-existence?
Would we be here if they had not tasted the apple?Note, it wasn't even their father that committed the sin of murder! Yet another's sin meant no existence for some. Adam and Eve did something that changed the course of human existence.
Why the term Original Sin? Why is it called a stain that must be washed away? Why has the church used it for millennia to suppress women?It's not that we are being punished for whatever they did, but humanity was affected by what they did.
No. I am explaining why there is baptism in Christian lives.Are you suggesting
So?That's good, but you know in times past it was held that baptism was necessary to get to heaven.
What magic?Why would he enter more fully into the life of the baptized? Surely it is possible for someone to want god in their lives with and without undergoing the procedure. What I'm trying to address here is more of the magic of the ritual.
Christianity is a way of life not access to "magic" however you are defining that. Most Christians are not praying for power, as most a perfectly willing to leave power in the hands of God. We do pray for the strength to do the will of God.If there is ANY effect, then you have either proscribed the power of your omnipotent god or have given the ritual magical power over us.
Don't know. Too many variables to consider. The way of life would be different.Would we be here if they had not tasted the apple?
First of all, I think it is interesting you think women can be oppressed.Why the term Original Sin? Why is it called a stain that must be washed away? Why has the church used it for millennia to suppress women?
Jesus is a glorified resurrected human. We are Gods in embryo because Jesus said so. He said it in Psalms 82:6 and again in John 10:34.your reply was stupid. Youre comparing God to you/humans.