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What 'first part'? And, perhaps it's that way in your country, but not here.Well, you're going to have to expand on how your saying, "Mine is that - everything being equal - there are not enough well paying jobs around and realise this fact, therefore the above is impossible. That is my starting point..... " means that we are NOT born into a system where we have an equal opportunity and we are NOT equal in the eyes of the law.
If you want to change the goal post to something else - something other than your strawman in tha OP - then specify what that is.
Why do I have to expand on it? It is self explanatory. In order for me to expand on my saying you have to take the first part into account too.
Of course we are not born into a system where we have equal opportunity and are equal in the eyes of the law. That is very apparent.
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Well, I'll try to go slowly for you. I'm a political conservative. My ideology has nothing to do with what you said conservatives' ideology is. Soooooooo, what you said is a strawman..... I'm not changing the goal posts. You calling something a strawman doesn't mean it's a strawman, it's just your opinion.
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OK. We have a new goal post. Thank you..... That aside, I'll say this: Most conservatives on this board - and it seems generally when reading pundits blogs - some how believe that people who use government programmes are lesser people for doing so; are lazy; are bleeding the 'system' dry; are parasites; haven't day a day's work in their life - the list goes on. My contention - and in NO WAY is it a strawman argument - is that if we all did truly reach our potential, there are those that would still need some sort of govt assistance. My anecdotal evidence - and there are even a couple of posts in this very thread - is that if this were to happen, conservatives would still have nothing but derision for those who fall at the very bottom of that Bell Curve. IOW, they expect the impossible....
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As I prefer clear communication over pettiness and I can atriculate my points clearly, yes, I will explain something that is self-explanatory. In an ideal system, those who are on the lowest end of that curve - the ones with the least abilities - will be the ones who have the lowest position in society (jobless, getting assistance perhaps, beggars, etc.). Those who are on the highest end of that curve - with the highest abilities - will have the best positions in society. And, those who are the majority - near the middle of that curve - will be the middle class. A large middle class makes for a strong nation. It's quite simple..... As for explanations, I would love to see you explain this little doozie: If the government stays out of the way, we all can be equal in achieving our highest potential on that curve according to our abilities.