Why Are There So Many School Shootings?

[2aguy]

Well, let's see. A shooting in a school? We need more people packing guns. A shooting in the mall? We need more people packing guns. A shooting in church? We need more people packing guns. We have more people packing guns, and the shootings continue to increase. Perhaps this part of the equation is not in line with reality?

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
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No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)

 

[mudwhistle]

Availability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....

Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?

Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?

It's very simple.

Media coverage.

If somebody were to successfully shoot up a McDonalds and get a high body count, there would be numerous copy-cats within the following months.

Because schools are essentially shooting galleries, thanks to Democrats, every time somebody is able to kill a bunch of students, hundreds more will entertain the possibility. This doesn't take into account that college campuses are prime targets of this sort of thing because of the political activism that is constantly on display there, and the hatred that is being fomented by the left on campus.

 

[2aguy]

It is simply part of American culture. Note that was not a choice as most have their head in the sand.

Hip hip hooray, Americans believe firmly in their right to be shot dead, it is in their Constitution. The NRA believes too death is inevitable, why attempt to stop it, all eternal life schemes fail, so Americans get a gun and test your right to shoot or be shot. Stuff happens remember. Do this simple test with your gun or guns, should you be well armed. Make sure your gun is not a dud. Aim at your wall, your TV, your foot, test it on yourself, remember it is your right, written in your constitution. Get your neighbors together, form exercises with your guns, have someone run out with an AR15 with body armor. See who can shoot them first. Make sure you are all on opposite sides of the machine gun packing American NRA constitution loving gun lover with their AR15. If anyone dies, no biggee, stuff happens, you're only be adhering to your beliefs and rights. Living real those rights as they now happen so often in American massacres, upholding your god given right to bear arms. No one lives forever. You're tougher than those sissy Australians, show them your stuff. Hope all goes well. Oh and one more thing make sure your insurance is paid up. Eric of Columbine fame is with you, no gun control, he practiced what he preached. Going out in a hail of bullets is as American as apple pie.

And here you go….Australia…gun crime increasing…

Gun found every two days in Melbourne s red zone

Police are discovering guns in cars every two days in Melbourne's north-west, which has been dubbed the "red zone" by officers concerned about a growing gangster culture in the region.
The alarming figure, obtained from The Police Association, follows anecdotal and statistical evidence of a burgeoning gun culture among young men in the city's north-western fringe.
Police working in the large region, which includes Broadmeadows, Sunshine and Werribee, have reported:
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• Firearm-related incidents, such as drive-by shootings, every six days.
• An increasing trend of children as young as 16 carrying guns.
• Regularly finding guns in cars, including sawn-off shotguns and an automatic machine gun, during routine car intercepts.
• Guns stolen from rural homes being used in violent crime in the north-west. Some 530 guns were stolen in rural Victoria in 2013.

It comes as the Crime Statistics Agency released figures on Thursday showing an almost threefold jump in firearm offences in the north-west over the past five years, from 581 in the year to March 2011 to 1332 in the 12 months to April 2015.
A similar trend was reported statewide, with firearm offences rising more than 50 per cent to 13,626.
The figures follow recent high-profile shootings in which two men have been killed - one in Keysborough, the other in Altona Meadows - and significant gun seizures by police. In March, an automatic machine gun was found during a car intercept in Sunbury, and in February, an M16 assault rifle and Thureon machine gun were seized in raids on homes in the city's west.

news video on increasing gun crime...shows robbery and injured...

Gun crime red zone

Gunman holds hostages..muslim....

2014 Sydney hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 15–16 December 2014 a lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Placein Sydney, Australia. Police treated the event as a terrorist attack at the time[11][12] but Monis' motives have subsequently been debated.[13]

After a 16-hour standoff, a gunshot was heard from inside and police officers from the Tactical Operations Unitstormed the café. Hostage Tori Johnson was killed by Monis and hostage Katrina Dawson was killed by a police bullet ricochet in the subsequent raid. Monis was also killed. Three other hostages and a police officer were injured by police gunfire during the raid.[1][14][15]
Immigrant teen shoots cop with handgun...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

he 15-year-old, who is of Iraqi-Kurdish background and was born in Iran, shot a New South Wales police finance worker with a handgun at close range as the man left work in the western Sydney suburb of Parramatta on Friday, police Commissioner Andrew Scipione (pictured right above, alongside state Premier Mike Baird) said. The teen then fired at responding officers, who shot and killed him, Scipione said.

from 2013...drive buys in australia

Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime

The killings are not related but they confirm perceptions that drive-by shootings and gun crime have become an entrenched part of Australian lowlife.

A volatile mix of bikie gangs, drugs, ethnic rivalries and a 265 per cent rise in the number of handgun thefts threatens to turn Sydney into the East LA on the western side of the Pacific.





Read more: Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

 

[ogibillm]

Let's talk when there is a shooting at a gun show.

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

And that are gun free……..never forget that.

you really think that has anything to do with it? you think the guy in oregon cared that his school was gun free?

 

[2aguy]

Let's talk when there is a shooting at a gun show.

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

And that are gun free……..never forget that.

you really think that has anything to do with it? you think the guy in oregon cared that his school was gun free?

Yes….how do we know…because other mass shooters have left journals or videos where they specifically said they chose targets because they would not meet armed resistance…Santa Barbara, the colorado theater shooter…..the church shooter in South Carolina….

And because we have made so many places gun free zones, too many of them don't have to make a choice….they have their pick.

 

[Rustic]

Law abiding citizens need to buy even more guns... Help this failing economy out.

 

[Bonzi]

Which is easier and more feasible?

Arming more innocent/law abiding people?
Disarming more people in general?

 

[ogibillm]

It is simply part of American culture. Note that was not a choice as most have their head in the sand.

Hip hip hooray, Americans believe firmly in their right to be shot dead, it is in their Constitution. The NRA believes too death is inevitable, why attempt to stop it, all eternal life schemes fail, so Americans get a gun and test your right to shoot or be shot. Stuff happens remember. Do this simple test with your gun or guns, should you be well armed. Make sure your gun is not a dud. Aim at your wall, your TV, your foot, test it on yourself, remember it is your right, written in your constitution. Get your neighbors together, form exercises with your guns, have someone run out with an AR15 with body armor. See who can shoot them first. Make sure you are all on opposite sides of the machine gun packing American NRA constitution loving gun lover with their AR15. If anyone dies, no biggee, stuff happens, you're only be adhering to your beliefs and rights. Living real those rights as they now happen so often in American massacres, upholding your god given right to bear arms. No one lives forever. You're tougher than those sissy Australians, show them your stuff. Hope all goes well. Oh and one more thing make sure your insurance is paid up. Eric of Columbine fame is with you, no gun control, he practiced what he preached. Going out in a hail of bullets is as American as apple pie.

And here you go….Australia…gun crime increasing…

Gun found every two days in Melbourne s red zone

Police are discovering guns in cars every two days in Melbourne's north-west, which has been dubbed the "red zone" by officers concerned about a growing gangster culture in the region.
The alarming figure, obtained from The Police Association, follows anecdotal and statistical evidence of a burgeoning gun culture among young men in the city's north-western fringe.
Police working in the large region, which includes Broadmeadows, Sunshine and Werribee, have reported:
Advertisement

• Firearm-related incidents, such as drive-by shootings, every six days.
• An increasing trend of children as young as 16 carrying guns.
• Regularly finding guns in cars, including sawn-off shotguns and an automatic machine gun, during routine car intercepts.
• Guns stolen from rural homes being used in violent crime in the north-west. Some 530 guns were stolen in rural Victoria in 2013.

It comes as the Crime Statistics Agency released figures on Thursday showing an almost threefold jump in firearm offences in the north-west over the past five years, from 581 in the year to March 2011 to 1332 in the 12 months to April 2015.
A similar trend was reported statewide, with firearm offences rising more than 50 per cent to 13,626.
The figures follow recent high-profile shootings in which two men have been killed - one in Keysborough, the other in Altona Meadows - and significant gun seizures by police. In March, an automatic machine gun was found during a car intercept in Sunbury, and in February, an M16 assault rifle and Thureon machine gun were seized in raids on homes in the city's west.

news video on increasing gun crime...shows robbery and injured...

Gun crime red zone

Gunman holds hostages..muslim....

2014 Sydney hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 15–16 December 2014 a lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Placein Sydney, Australia. Police treated the event as a terrorist attack at the time[11][12] but Monis' motives have subsequently been debated.[13]

After a 16-hour standoff, a gunshot was heard from inside and police officers from the Tactical Operations Unitstormed the café. Hostage Tori Johnson was killed by Monis and hostage Katrina Dawson was killed by a police bullet ricochet in the subsequent raid. Monis was also killed. Three other hostages and a police officer were injured by police gunfire during the raid.[1][14][15]
Immigrant teen shoots cop with handgun...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

he 15-year-old, who is of Iraqi-Kurdish background and was born in Iran, shot a New South Wales police finance worker with a handgun at close range as the man left work in the western Sydney suburb of Parramatta on Friday, police Commissioner Andrew Scipione (pictured right above, alongside state Premier Mike Baird) said. The teen then fired at responding officers, who shot and killed him, Scipione said.

from 2013...drive buys in australia

Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime

The killings are not related but they confirm perceptions that drive-by shootings and gun crime have become an entrenched part of Australian lowlife.

A volatile mix of bikie gangs, drugs, ethnic rivalries and a 265 per cent rise in the number of handgun thefts threatens to turn Sydney into the East LA on the western side of the Pacific.





Read more: Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

Let's talk when there is a shooting at a gun show.

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

And that are gun free……..never forget that.

you really think that has anything to do with it? you think the guy in oregon cared that his school was gun free?

Yes….how do we know…because other mass shooters have left journals or videos where they specifically said they chose targets because they would not meet armed resistance…Santa Barbara, the colorado theater shooter…..the church shooter in South Carolina….

And because we have made so many places gun free zones, too many of them don't have to make a choice….they have their pick.

i know that's a popular claim, but i haven't ever seen it supported.
can you show where the colorado theater shooter ever said he chose the theater because it was a gun free zone? how about any of the others?

 

[Iceweasel]

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

LOL, I think it has more to do with the knowledge that they will very quickly become well ventilated.

 

[Iceweasel]

i know that's a popular claim, but i haven't ever seen it supported.
can you show where the colorado theater shooter ever said he chose the theater because it was a gun free zone? how about any of the others?

It's sorta common sense. Like with malls, it's a conjested area, maximize pain and suffering, etc before you check out.

I did hear that the dude that did the church shooting originally targeted a school but learned students were allowed to carry on campus, and went to the church instead. I can't say it's true but it does make sense.

 

[ogibillm]

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

LOL, I think it has more to do with the knowledge that they will very quickly become well ventilated.

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

 

[Iceweasel]

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

LOL, I think it has more to do with the knowledge that they will very quickly become well ventilated.

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

I see, you can't receive that which you don't already believe.

 

[defcon4]

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

...also gun shows are not packed with pussies. The motherfucker would be literally torn into pieces after the first shot...

 

[ogibillm]

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

LOL, I think it has more to do with the knowledge that they will very quickly become well ventilated.

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

I see, you can't receive that which you don't already believe.

it's not that. it's that there's no evidence to suggest that shooters choose gun free areas because they are gun free.

 

[ogibillm]

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

...also gun shows are not packed with pussies. The motherfucker would be literally torn into pieces after the first shot...

great. BUT NOBODY HAS PERSONAL CONNECTIONS TO A FUCKING GUN SHOW.

 

[defcon4]

it's not that. it's that there's no evidence to suggest that shooters choose gun free areas because they are gun free.

I sure do not see them going into police stations to do it.

 

[defcon4]

great. BUT NOBODY HAS PERSONAL CONNECTIONS TO A FUCKING GUN SHOW.

A lot of personal connection goes into a movie theater though...

 

[ogibillm]

great. BUT NOBODY HAS PERSONAL CONNECTIONS TO A FUCKING GUN SHOW.

A lot of personal connection goes into a movie theater though...

the guy thought he was the joker. i'd say that yes, he had some connection to movies.

 

[ogibillm]

it's not that. it's that there's no evidence to suggest that shooters choose gun free areas because they are gun free.

I sure do not see them going into police stations to do it.

really?
Dallas police HQ attack: Shooter's father speaks out - CNN.com

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Let's talk when there is a shooting at a gun show.

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

And that are gun free……..never forget that.

There was at least one trained shooter at the Oregon shooting, same with Tucson and others.

Really, there's no such thing as a "gun free zone".