Why are conservatives always on the wrong side of history?

[Dad2three]

Time to bust more right wing MYTHS

Retirement Among Baby Boomers Contributing To Shrinking Labor Force. According to The Washington Post, many economists agree the shrinking labor force participation rate is largely explained by a demographic shift, wherein "baby boomers are starting to retire en masse":


Demographics have always played a big role in the rise and fall of the labor force. Between 1960 and 2000, the labor force in the United States surged from 59 percent to a peak of 67.3 percent. That was largely due to the fact that more women were entering the labor force while improvements in health and information technology allowed Americans to work more years.

But since 2000, the labor force rate has been steadily declining as the baby-boom generation has been retiring. Because of this, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago expects the labor force participation rate to be lower in 2020 than it is today, regardless of how well the economy does.



The incredible shrinking labor force - The Washington Post

 

[Dad2three]

Obama takes too many vacations.


FACT: As of August 16th of 2013, Obama had taken 92 days of vacation vs 367 for George W. Bush at the same period



Obama has divided the nation.

FACT: Obama has done more to unite this nation than any president since Lincoln. But he’s up against a phalanx of 21st Century separatists, racists and neo-fascists, some of whom have openly proposed seceding. Here… let me hold that door for you. Besides; who’s dividing the Republican party into right wing and ultra-far right wings? Is Obama doing that too? Nope. Look in a mirror Teabigots.

Obama’s a socialist.

FACT: Hardly. Obama’s economic and social policies are to the right of Kennedy’s, Eisenhower’s, Nixon’s, and even some of Reagan’s. If Obama’s a socialist, then Eisenhower, who had a 91% top tax rate, was a Republican Marxist.


Obama lied about keeping your present healthcare insurance.


FACT: Lying and being wrong are two different things. Obama turned out to be wrong, but he didn’t lie. He appeared before the cameras 28 times, repeating the exact same words — “If you like your present policy, you can keep it,” knowing full well he was being recorded each time. If you believe any president would deliberately set himself up like that, then Fox News is indeed the place for you.

 

[Dad2three]

The Right-Wing Myth That America Was Originally a Theocracy Is So Wrong

They believe the separation of church and state is a modern invention created by liberals and atheists.


This myth--that separation of church and state is a modern invention created by communists/liberals/atheists and shoved down the throats of a Christian America until it forgot its theocratic roots--is a popular one on the right, perhaps the defining myth that created the modern conservative movement. It’s also pure malarkey.


Even just reading the first amendment to the Constitution shows that this line is self-serving nonsense dished out by people who wish to believe they are patriots while standing against America’s grand tradition of secularism. The Constitution explicitly prohibits any law “respecting an establishment of religion,” a phrase that is so obviously about the separation of church and state that even the most literal-minded among us can get that.

The Right-Wing Myth That America Was Originally a Theocracy Is So Wrong Alternet

 

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Current conservative ideas are the radical liberal ideas of a hundred years ago that were fought just as stridently by the conservatives of those days. This has always been the case. Liberals come up with newer and better ideas. Conservatives fear and despise them. Liberals ultimately win out and convince the public to adopt them. The next generation of conservatives assume those ideas are conservative ones and defend them against their own generation's liberals who are trying to replace them with even further progress. Never in history has this pattern not held true.

Conservative: One who admires radicals a century after they're dead. Leo Rosten

And what is it you progtards admire... oh yeah... that's right... this radical POS...

 

[007]

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

Really? Looks like your radical far left history is revisionist at best, all out lies at worst...

 

[007]

The OP must be getting paid by the DNC to post this utter GARBAGE.

 

[Dad2three]

It’s Been 6 Years Obama – Where’s The FEMA Camps, Sharia Law, Suspension of the Constitution?


Yes, He Did: In 1980, Ronald Reagan Called For An Open Border With Mexico.

“I supported this bill. I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.”Oct. 21, 1984 debate on immigration bill being considered by Congress


VID FROM 1980

During a 1980 debate with George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan called for illegal immigrants to get work permits and for the U.S. to have an open border with Mexico.

 

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[Dad2three]

Current conservative ideas are the radical liberal ideas of a hundred years ago that were fought just as stridently by the conservatives of those days. This has always been the case. Liberals come up with newer and better ideas. Conservatives fear and despise them. Liberals ultimately win out and convince the public to adopt them. The next generation of conservatives assume those ideas are conservative ones and defend them against their own generation's liberals who are trying to replace them with even further progress. Never in history has this pattern not held true.

Conservative: One who admires radicals a century after they're dead. Leo Rosten

And what is it you progtards admire... oh yeah... that's right... this radical POS...

This quote is taken from a description of Obama's first year of college, when he self-consciously cultivated an identity of angry rebelliousness, a phase he grows out of. Here's the fuller quote:

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. ... But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted … After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."



E-mails twist context of Obama's memoir


E-mails twist context of Obama s memoir PolitiFact

 

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[Dad2three]

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

Really? Looks like your radical far left history is revisionist at best, all out lies at worst...

Yes, like I said, CONSERVATIVES fought those things. Good thing you replace Dem/GOP for conservative/PROGRESSIVE. After All PROGRESSIVE ABE AND THE PROGRESSIVE GOP GAVE US BIG GOV'T TO FIGHT THAT CONSERVATIVE TRAITORS AND THE FIRST INCOME TAX, lol

 

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10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

Really? Looks like your radical far left history is revisionist at best, all out lies at worst...

Yes, like I said, CONSERVATIVES fought those things. Good thing you replace Dem/GOP for conservative/PROGRESSIVE. After All PROGRESSIVE ABE AND THE PROGRESSIVE GOP GAVE US BIG GOV'T TO FIGHT THAT CONSERVATIVE TRAITORS AND THE FIRST INCOME TAX, lol

 

[Dad2three]

"We have changed our assumption ... because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues," S&P said.

 

[007]

Current conservative ideas are the radical liberal ideas of a hundred years ago that were fought just as stridently by the conservatives of those days. This has always been the case. Liberals come up with newer and better ideas. Conservatives fear and despise them. Liberals ultimately win out and convince the public to adopt them. The next generation of conservatives assume those ideas are conservative ones and defend them against their own generation's liberals who are trying to replace them with even further progress. Never in history has this pattern not held true.

Conservative: One who admires radicals a century after they're dead. Leo Rosten

And what is it you progtards admire... oh yeah... that's right... this radical POS...

This quote is taken from a description of Obama's first year of college, when he self-consciously cultivated an identity of angry rebelliousness, a phase he grows out of. Here's the fuller quote:

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. ... But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted … After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."



E-mails twist context of Obama's memoir


E-mails twist context of Obama s memoir PolitiFact

 

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"We have changed our assumption ... because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues," S&P said.

 

[Cecilie1200]

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

2) Women’s suffrage. Unsurprisingly, conservative Christianity was hostile to women’s suffrage, just as it’s been hostile to women’s progress every step of the way. Women’s “God-given” roles were routinely referenced in arguments against giving women the right to vote

3) Evolution.

4) Pain relief for childbirth

5) Catholics. Modern American conservative Protestants embrace Catholics and have even started to borrow some Catholic arguments against things like abortion and contraception. But in the early 19th and 20th centuries, there was widespread anti-Catholic sentiment, much of it tied up in hostility to Catholic immigrants. There was even an anti-Catholic political party in the early 19th century.

6) Prohibition. Hostility to Catholic immigrants was a large part of the reason temperance mania took over many Protestant communities in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the fact that Jesus was a wine drinker, abstinence from alcohol—and forcing abstinence on others by force of law—became a major Christian cause during this period, leading up to Prohibition. This was true, even though many in the temperance movement were also aligned with the suffragist cause, making Prohibition one of the few Christian follies that weighs as heavily on the progressive Christian tradition as it does the conservative one. Luckily, it took little more than a decade for the bigtime error that was banning alcohol to be fixed.


7) Segregation. Religious leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. led the desegregation movement, but it’s also important to note that the pro-segregation movement was also conceived as a Christian one. Arguments against “race mixing” were largely framed in religious terms....Christian right leader Jerry Falwell got his start fighting to uphold segregation, giving sermons about how integration was offensive to God


8) Contraception. From the beginning of the “birth control movement,” Christian conservatives fought to keep women from being able to have sex without getting pregnant.

9) School prayer. Along with supporting segregation and opposing feminism, the third issue that created the modern religious right is the issue of prayer in public schools. In 1961, the Supreme Court ruled against school-led prayers, even if they were supposedly voluntary. Instead of giving up a chance to use schools as a way to foist their beliefs on the unwilling, the religious right spent and continues to spend the next 50-plus years trying to find some way to sneak religious indoctrination/bullying of non-believers into public schools.


10) Marriage equality. The religious right is still fighting like it’s not obvious that they’re wrong on this one. The tide is shifting so fast it’s quickly becoming apparent that this issue, like segregation, is going to be one where they’ll be pretending they didn’t fight so hard for the side of wrong in a few decades.

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong - Salon.com

So basically, the question here isn't "Why are conservatives on the wrong side of history?" It's "Why do you think the uninformed bullshit you believe is history?"

 

[Cecilie1200]

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’

Here is just some of the rhetoric employed by Republicans in 1993 to fearmonger about Clinton’s tax increases (there’s more below the fold):

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)

Of course, far from bringing the Doomsday of which Republicans were warning, Clinton’s policies ushered in the longest sustained period of economic growth in the nation’s history, with 23 million jobs created. Compared to the administration of George W. Bush, the Clinton-era saw more job growth, more GDP growth, more wage growth, and more business investment. Incomes grew under Clinton but fell under Bush, while poverty did the opposite, falling under Clinton but increasing under Bush.

Oh, and Clinton balanced the budget for the first time since 1969. On May 27, 1993, Rep. Robert Michel (R-IL) said “[Americans] will remember who set loose this dreadful virus into the economic bloodstream of our nation.” If only we could have a “dreadful virus” of that sort today. More quotes below the jump.:

You must be very lonely, given that you seem to think message boards are all about talking to yourself. I mean, 8 posts in a row without a single response? You can converse with yourself in the bathroom mirror.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You forgot stupidity, moron. Conservatives are very much averse to willfull stupidity. You own it in spades, don't you?

Given that this entire thread so far has basically been you bloviating to yourself, why do you expect anyone to bother taking you seriously? I mean, of the few posts that haven't been yours, the only one you answer is this? Giving you real answers which you manifestly aren't going to pay attention to is the Internet equivalent of responding to a homeless man on the street muttering to himself.

Say something that's intended to engage people, rather than maintaining a long-winded, boring soliloquy, and you might get better results.

 

[westwall]

So, Cons are responsible for all of that. Progressives are responsible for the murder of over 200 million people. Based on those facts I would say Cons are way the hell better than progressives. What's your response to that little progressive?

Without false premises, distortions and lies, what would the right wingers have? No those totalitarian states, WERE NOT PROGRESSIVE IN ANY WAY... Keep trying Bubba

Sure they weren't.... A progressive master class for you...

• H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”

• The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”

• The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”

• Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”

• McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”

• After having vistited Italy and interviewed Mussolini in 1926, the American humorist Will Rogers, who was informally dubbed “Ambassador-at-Large of the United States” by the National Press Club, said of the fascist dictator: “I’m pretty high on that bird.” “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government,” Rogers wrote, “that is, if you have the right dictator.”

• Reporter Ida Tarbell was deeply impressed by Mussolini's attitudes regarding labor, affectionately dubbing him “a despot with a dimple.”

• NAACP co-founder W. E. B. DuBois saw National Socialism as a worthy model for economic organization. The establishment of the Nazi dictatorship in Germany, he wrote, had been “absolutely necessary to get the state in order.” In 1937 DuBois stated: “there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.”

• FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”

• New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”

• Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.

"Because progressivism embraces the ideal of nationalism and touts the so-called “Third Way” between capitalism and communism, its pedigree is closer to fascism than to communism. Progressivism and fascism share the totalitarian belief that with the proper amount of tinkering, social engineers will be able to realize the utopian dream of establishing a nation where perfect equality reigns. This mindset accounts for the support that the early progressives gave to eugenics, whose ultimate aim was the creation of a pure race, a “New Man” – not unlike the Nazi “Aryan” ideal. Such a project, of course, could only be overseen and carried out by a wise and omniscient leadership, an intellectual elite endowed with judgment superior to that of the unwashed masses."


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