Who supports removing the second amendment?

[LOki]

Class 3 licenses are legal, and entitle you to own fully automatic weapons (along with a few other goodies)...

Only if they are a nessisarry part of a business.
Hobbists can't own them

You're wrong.

 

[Billy000]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

You people really over blow this "banning all guns" crap and I don't get why. I guess it makes it easier to demonize the left by wanting to believe it is only made up of tree hugging extremists. The large majority of Americans do not want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Most gun control advocates such as myself simply want the 2nd amendment regulated with strict background checks and ending the gun show loophole. The fact that you people can't at all compromise on this issue makes you come across as toddlers.

And how do you propose we regulate the 1st Amendment with strict regulations regarding harmful content?

It already is. Child porn and defamation are both illegal.

 

[bripat9643]

That pesky "well regulated militia" part has to be taken seriously.

Otherwise, keep the second as it is. But make sure gun owners, importers, manufacturers and sellers stop selling weapons that belong in a well regulated milita, not on the streets.

The well regulated militia part is purely explanatory. It has no legal implications.

You would know that if you weren't illiterate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why don't conservatives want to leave gun laws up to the states, like everything else they want to leave up to the states?

 

[LOki]

To serve what purpose?

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You still can't own one without the class 3 license.

Wrong again. You need a Class 3 license to sell them. You just pass the background check and pay the stamp tax to own them.

 

[bripat9643]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

You people really over blow this "banning all guns" crap and I don't get why. I guess it makes it easier to demonize the left by wanting to believe it is only made up of tree hugging extremists. The large majority of Americans do not want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Most gun control advocates such as myself simply want the 2nd amendment regulated with strict background checks and ending the gun show loophole. The fact that you people can't at all compromise on this issue makes you come across as toddlers.

And how do you propose we regulate the 1st Amendment with strict regulations regarding harmful content?

It already is. Child porn and defamation are both illegal.

Child porn is physical evidence of a crime against an innocent person.

I don't think the Libel should be an exception to the first amendment.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

You people really over blow this "banning all guns" crap and I don't get why. I guess it makes it easier to demonize the left by wanting to believe it is only made up of tree hugging extremists. The large majority of Americans do not want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Most gun control advocates such as myself simply want the 2nd amendment regulated with strict background checks and ending the gun show loophole. The fact that you people can't at all compromise on this issue makes you come across as toddlers.

And how do you propose we regulate the 1st Amendment with strict regulations regarding harmful content?

By letting the Supreme Court decide what is or isn't protected by the 1st Amendment.

 

[S.J.]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

You people really over blow this "banning all guns" crap and I don't get why. I guess it makes it easier to demonize the left by wanting to believe it is only made up of tree hugging extremists. The large majority of Americans do not want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Most gun control advocates such as myself simply want the 2nd amendment regulated with strict background checks and ending the gun show loophole. The fact that you people can't at all compromise on this issue makes you come across as toddlers.

Because you never stop. Each time you manage to get a restriction that you claim is "all you want", you then proceed to the next restriction. The left's goal is to make the 2nd amendment useless and irrelevant and their method is incrementalism. We're not stupid, we know what you're trying to do and how you're trying to do it.

 

[BULLDOG]

Actually, no, that is not correct. There are zero, not a single example of any fully-automatic weapon made after 1986 that is LEGALLY owned by anyone but the government.

But pre1986 are legal...

Nope no fully automatic weapon is available for sale to the public.

You liberals sure like to lie. FULL autos? NO problem, got one myself.
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After being caught in so many lies, now you claim to own a fully automatic weapon. While it is against the law to have any public record of most firearms, Machine guns, short shotguns, etc are very regulated and tracked. If you did own one of those (we all know you don't) it would be easy enough to verify. Just give your proof of certification, and you can easily prevent exposing this latest lie.

It's against forum rules to fish for personal information.

Giving a known liar an opportunity to prove his stupid claim is hardly fishing for personal information. Mr. "claims to have 214 IQ " is lying again.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

You people really over blow this "banning all guns" crap and I don't get why. I guess it makes it easier to demonize the left by wanting to believe it is only made up of tree hugging extremists. The large majority of Americans do not want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Most gun control advocates such as myself simply want the 2nd amendment regulated with strict background checks and ending the gun show loophole. The fact that you people can't at all compromise on this issue makes you come across as toddlers.

And how do you propose we regulate the 1st Amendment with strict regulations regarding harmful content?

It already is. Child porn and defamation are both illegal.

Child porn is physical evidence of a crime against an innocent person.

I don't think the Libel should be an exception to the first amendment.

Child porn is only a crime if the courts deny it 1st amendment protection. Child porn is only a crime because the 1st Amendment, like everything else in the Constitution,

is open to interpretation.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

You people really over blow this "banning all guns" crap and I don't get why. I guess it makes it easier to demonize the left by wanting to believe it is only made up of tree hugging extremists. The large majority of Americans do not want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Most gun control advocates such as myself simply want the 2nd amendment regulated with strict background checks and ending the gun show loophole. The fact that you people can't at all compromise on this issue makes you come across as toddlers.

And how do you propose we regulate the 1st Amendment with strict regulations regarding harmful content?

It already is. Child porn and defamation are both illegal.

And yet, wholesale violence, rape, pillage, and all manner of nasty things are A-OK, as long as you are Hollyweird, cable TV, or some kind of video game?

 

[LOki]

That pesky "well regulated militia" part has to be taken seriously.

Otherwise, keep the second as it is. But make sure gun owners, importers, manufacturers and sellers stop selling weapons that belong in a well regulated milita, not on the streets.

"Well-regulated militia" is redundant now. It came when the Founders didn't want a fulltime standing army for the country but an all-reserve type force.

There are weapons that belong in the hands of the citizens. And there are weapons that belong in the hands of a well regulated militia and our standing armed forces.

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

Where can I get a thermonuclear device? Where can I get a rocket propelled grenade launcher? Where's your howitzer?

And why on earth would a citizen, in an unregulated militia absolutely need a gun that can fire twenty rounds a second? Or twenty rounds in ten seconds for that matter? Is that weapon used for sport?

Argument from (do not) need. Invalid for all the OBVIOUS reasons.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Uhm, no.

You need to learn to read, little cookie cruncher.

I am pro-2nd, but think it needs a slight tweaking.

That may be what you post here.
Among friends and fellow libs, oh yes you do....You'd like nothing better than to see a total confiscation of firearms.
Now you can deny it all you like.

 

[DarkFury]

1. You need to be eligible to possess firearms in general.
2. You must live in a state where NFA items are permitted and machine guns, specifically, are legal to possess.
3. The machine gun you wish to acquire must have been manufactured on or before May 19, 1986. That is the cutoff date for entries to be made in the NFRTR (National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record), the registry of all NFA items in the United States including machine guns.
4. You must locate a Class III dealer (FFL01+SOT) that sells or can transfer in the machine gun you wish to acquire in your state of residence.
5. You must purchase the machine gun upfront prior to transfer and have it shipped to your Class III dealer. For a full-auto M16, this will be anywhere from $12,000 and up. Typical prices for an M16 hover around $14,000 to $16,000.
6. Once purchased and with your dealer, the dealer will fill out the Form 4 application on your behalf to submission to the BATFE and collect your $200 NFA transfer stamp tax.
7. The application will be submitted. Now you wait 8+ months for the full FBI background check and BATFE processing to complete.
8. Once the Form 4 is processed, it will be returned to the dealer along with the tax stamp which is part of your paperwork. You can then take possession of your military grade fully automatic firearm and take it home.
9. The tax stamp must be kept with the firearm it belongs to at all times! The tax stamp is your only affirmative defense to prove you are not in possession of an illegal machine gun. The tax stamp is proof you paid the transfer tax and legally transferred the machine gun. Ranges that allow Class III will want to see the stamp. If you get pulled over and the gun is discovered/inspected, law enforcement will definitely want to see it too. You may be required to present the firearm for inspection on demand by the BATFE.
10. You may not transport the fully automatic firearm across state lines for any purpose without prior consent of the Federal government. You must request this in advance and provide details on where the firearm is going, when you are leaving and when it will return to its registered location of residence.
11. You cannot leave the presence of your fully automatic firearm. If someone else is shooting it, you must be with it, legally speaking. The one exception to this is if you have formed a legal trust for the purpose of possessing the firearm, in which case all beneficiaries of the trust (usually family or employees) may have access to the firearm.

So yes, provided you meet and abide by all of conditions above, a normal citizen can purchase and possess a fully automatic military grade assault rifle.

EDIT: Changed 9 to reflect lack of legal inspection requirement and to reiterate the requirement that the tax stamp must stay with the firearm at all times!

Is it legal for a normal citizen to buy a military grade fully automatic assault rifle in the US? - Quora

 

[Billy000]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

You people really over blow this "banning all guns" crap and I don't get why. I guess it makes it easier to demonize the left by wanting to believe it is only made up of tree hugging extremists. The large majority of Americans do not want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Most gun control advocates such as myself simply want the 2nd amendment regulated with strict background checks and ending the gun show loophole. The fact that you people can't at all compromise on this issue makes you come across as toddlers.

Because you never stop. Each time you manage to get a restriction that you claim is "all you want", you then proceed to the next restriction. The left's goal is to make the 2nd amendment useless and irrelevant and their method is incrementalism. We're not stupid, we know what you're trying to do and how you're trying to do it.

You people live in a fantasy world. Most gun control legislation NEVER passes. The gun nut lobbyists always win these issues. Stop pretending like the gun lobby is some fringe movement and the 2nd amendment is in jeopardy. It's not even close. Democrats in general love guns almost as much republicans do.

 

[thereisnospoon]

That pesky "well regulated militia" part has to be taken seriously.

Otherwise, keep the second as it is. But make sure gun owners, importers, manufacturers and sellers stop selling weapons that belong in a well regulated milita, not on the streets.

In law abiding citizen's homes?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

Me. Not a liberal though. Have liberal position but pleanty of conservative ones as well. Consider myself a-political and neutral. Never voted nor registered to, never supported a candidate even with moral support. Have opinions and positions though.

Evasive. Carefully couched.
Are you running for office?

 

[Obiwan]

But pre1986 are legal...

Nope no fully automatic weapon is available for sale to the public.

You liberals sure like to lie. FULL autos? NO problem, got one myself.
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After being caught in so many lies, now you claim to own a fully automatic weapon. While it is against the law to have any public record of most firearms, Machine guns, short shotguns, etc are very regulated and tracked. If you did own one of those (we all know you don't) it would be easy enough to verify. Just give your proof of certification, and you can easily prevent exposing this latest lie.

It's against forum rules to fish for personal information.

Giving a known liar an opportunity to prove his stupid claim is hardly fishing for personal information. Mr. "claims to have 214 IQ " is lying again.

So he's supposed to post personal information and set himself up for a burglary or robbery to satisfy you???

Go to hell, you idiot!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Lets see how many honest libs we have on this board? At least 4 in another couple threads admitted they wanted to do away with everyone's rights under the 2nd. meanwhile a couple more claimed NO ONE ever said that.

Me. Not a liberal though. Have liberal position but pleanty of conservative ones as well. Consider myself a-political and neutral. Never voted nor registered to, never supported a candidate even with moral support. Have opinions and positions though.

Then your opinion does not matter. Piss off.

Have any idea what I could do for or against a political campaign if I set my mind to it as with loking someone?

Not interested in the rantings of a person who admittedly stands for nothing.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nope no fully automatic weapon is available for sale to the public.

You liberals sure like to lie. FULL autos? NO problem, got one myself.
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It's against forum rules to fish for personal information.

Giving a known liar an opportunity to prove his stupid claim is hardly fishing for personal information. Mr. "claims to have 214 IQ " is lying again.

So he's supposed to post personal information and set himself up for a burglary or robbery to satisfy you???

Go to hell, you idiot!!!

Hug my nuts bitch. I was talking to the liar and not you anyway.