Zone1 Who is responsible for youth crime? The parents?

[frigidweirdo]

In this case, bought him the weapon and the ammunition, did not keep them secured, nor the ammunition, lack of supervision even in their own home, where they solely responsible for what goes on. They are guily of negligence leading to homicide, having made mistakes that cannot be made right.

Sure. How much supervision does a kid need? Does having a gun in the house mean 24/7 supervision?

All parents make mistakes. At what point does the law punish people for that?

 

[kjw47]

Michigan school shooter's mother blames her husband in trial testimony

Jennifer Crumbley is the first US parent to face a manslaughter trial for a child's mass shooting.

www.bbc.com

"Michigan school shooter's mother blames her husband in trial testimony"


So, here's an ethnics question. Who is responsible for the crimes of children?

Children have limited rights and limited responsibilities. Should we make it the law that parents are responsible for what their kids do?

This particular case, the child claims to have mental problems, and also claims to have been neglected by his parents.

Can parents be responsible for mental illness?

Should kids get more and more responsibility as they get older?

Its not always the parents fault. Going to school hurts one more than helps most. One must fit in, if they hang around with the wrong crowd they choose the wrong path to travel. Parents don't want them choosing that path in most cases.
This unbalanced world is causing much mental illness. Balance is the key to making all things work correctly.
The president of the usa, with Nuclear bombs under his thumb and millions of human lives, gets paid $450,000 a year. Some guy playing a meaningless game gets 50 million a year. That is pure moronicism. People are being totally mislead by the god of this system of things ( satan) and are blind being lead by the blind.
Do any young people look forward in this world and see any hope?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Its not always the parents fault. Going to school hurts one more than helps most. One must fit in, if they hang around with the wrong crowd they choose the wrong path to travel. Parents don't want them choosing that path in most cases.
This unbalanced world is causing much mental illness. Balance is the key to making all things work correctly.
The president of the usa, with Nuclear bombs under his thumb and millions of human lives, gets paid $450,000 a year. Some guy playing a meaningless game gets 50 million a year. That is pure moronicism. People are being totally mislead by the god of this system of things ( satan) and are blind being lead by the blind.
Do any young people look forward in this world and see any hope?

This is the problem here, isn't it? How do you determine how much blame the parents have, and how much blame other facts have?

I don't think this has to do with Satan or anything else. The modern world is what it is and we need to make rules and laws to A) punish those that need punishing and B) manipulate people to do better.

 

[kjw47]

This is the problem here, isn't it? How do you determine how much blame the parents have, and how much blame other facts have?

I don't think this has to do with Satan or anything else. The modern world is what it is and we need to make rules and laws to A) punish those that need punishing and B) manipulate people to do better.

Every mortal on earth needs to learn and apply all that Jesus taught, and have real love for neighbor. This world lacks love that is the problem. It loves money and pleasures above everything else. 2Timothy 3 = todays world

 

[frigidweirdo]

Every mortal on earth needs to learn and apply all that Jesus taught, and have real love for neighbor. This world lacks love that is the problem. It loves money and pleasures above everything else. 2Timothy 3 = todays world

No, no, no, NO. This is not about freaking Jesus or religion. Come back when you want to talk about the topic.

 

[White 6]

Sure. How much supervision does a kid need? Does having a gun in the house mean 24/7 supervision?

All parents make mistakes. At what point does the law punish people for that?

Until the point with the child honors the parent's instruction and rule well enough to follow them without be watched. Some parents simply do not start their kids out with that kind of control. It much more pleasant at time to just give them anything they want, possible because the parent didn't get what they wanted, and think they are doing something positive by giving them everything and enforcing no discipline or responsibility to themselves or the family or family name.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Until the point with the child honors the parent's instruction and rule well enough to follow them without be watched. Some parents simply do not start their kids out with that kind of control. It much more pleasant at time to just give them anything they want, possible because the parent didn't get what they wanted, and think they are doing something positive by giving them everything and enforcing no discipline or responsibility to themselves or the family or family name.

Which then leads us to what expectations we have for parents when it comes to behavior management.

Also leads us to "should we be teaching this in schools?"

I think we should. It's one of the most important skills for society, and we act like we can't touch it.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

t insure seperation of church and state,

The phrase was Jefferson's attempt to explain to the Danbury Baptist Church the intent of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause. The Danbury Baptists were concerned that religious liberties might be undermined, and made it very clear in their letter that they believed religion was something between a man and God. Jefferson's letter is a reassurance on the matter. The text of both letters can be found here:

Baptists in the history of separation of church and state - Wikipedia

You cite it as if it's in the Constitution or something.

 

[White 6]

Which then leads us to what expectations we have for parents when it comes to behavior management.

Also leads us to "should we be teaching this in schools?"

I think we should. It's one of the most important skills for society, and we act like we can't touch it.

Should be reinforced in schools, and it went both ways. It used to be. If a teacher had to bust your ass in school, they sent a note home that had to be signed or a phone call was made, and you got your ass busted at home, also. Disrespect for parents or teaches by student children was not tolerated. Then that got destroyed in the school, and now you have mess of kids with no respect for parent, teacher or society.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Should be reinforced in schools, and it went both ways. It used to be. If a teacher had to bust your ass in school, they sent a note home that had to be signed or a phone call was made, and you got your ass busted at home, also. Disrespect for parents or teaches by student children was not tolerated. Then that got destroyed in the school, and now you have mess of kids with no respect for parent, teacher or society.

Yes, I think the problem is the Bill of Rights.

Nowadays people know they have rights. They don't understand rights. They don't know what rights mean. They think they know, but they don't.

They also believe the rights come without responsibilities. They do, but it's not written down, so nobody knows or cares.

And kids have limited rights, and that needs to be made clear too.

 

[White 6]

Yes, I think the problem is the Bill of Rights.

Nowadays people know they have rights. They don't understand rights. They don't know what rights mean. They think they know, but they don't.

They also believe the rights come without responsibilities. They do, but it's not written down, so nobody knows or cares.

And kids have limited rights, and that needs to be made clear too.

The problem is not the Bill of Rights.
The problem is delegation of responsibility, putting responsibility off on the government, so they do not have to have it. You can delegate authority, but you cannot delegate responsibility. Worse, parents try to have it both way, first trying to delegate the responsibility, but at the same time withholding the authority to get to the seat of the problem and impart firm remembered instruction and discipline.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem is not the Bill of Rights.
The problem is delegation of responsibility, putting responsibility off on the government, so they do not have to have it. You can delegate authority, but you cannot delegate responsibility. Worse, parents try to have it both way, first trying to delegate the responsibility, but at the same time withholding the authority to get to the seat of the problem and impart firm remembered instruction and discipline.

And the question is why? Why do people put responsibility on the government? Or, as with the Bill of Rights, they think their power is unlimited power?

 

[White 6]

And the question is why? Why do people put responsibility on the government? Or, as with the Bill of Rights, they think their power is unlimited power?

That is a good question. I knew my rights had bounds as a child. I knew adults rights were bounded, by law and societal necessity. The fallacy of absolutism? Wanting the easy way out?

 

[frigidweirdo]

That is a good question. I knew my rights had bounds as a child. I knew adults rights were bounded, by law and societal necessity. The fallacy of absolutism? Wanting the easy way out?

And why don't people know things? Because they're not being taught them? Or being they're being taught them badly. Being taught the wrong thing.

The Bill of Rights teaches people something, and it's a rather vague and limited text.

Parents and schools need to be teaching about rights and responsibilities. A Bill of Rights and Responsibilities might change people's attitudes.

 

[kjw47]

One of satans #1 tools he uses is get parents to hand down false god worship and wicked practices to their children. That is a huge part of the op problem mentioned.