Who here "opposes" this simple Sanders' proposal?

[elektra]

Why do we need a simple Sanders' proposal, after all as a Senator Sanders' had all the time in the world to fix this, why has he not done this already?

If he has, where is the bill, its text?

Sanders' as a senator has been a problem for years, proposing to spend more money and create a bigger government.

Now Sanders' has a simple proposal? Seems as a Senator Sanders' could of simple fixed something so simple?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One of Sanders' proposal is not only sane but doable if only congress was not a bunch of self-centered cowards...The proposal is to compel Medicare to openly negotiate with big pharmaceuticals companies for lower prices based on volume.....

Who would lose if this proposal were to become a reality? Big pharma's CEOs and board members who no longer could upgrade to more modern Lear jets every few years.

Tell that to the politicians from both sides of the Isle................the one's who pick the winners and losers based on campaign contributions..................

A very long time ago our Gov't was only a ref in the game.....................Now they decide the winners and losers....................

You lost me. Which island are we talking about and why are the politicians there in the first place?

 

[elektra]

if Sanders is a good candidate, why can you not defend Sanders?[/QUOTE]


Forgive me, I'm having a hard time locating my Moronic-to-English dictionary to decipher your rants........You may have notices (or not) that my O/P WAS INDEED a "defense" of Sanders.

I have never heard of such a thing, "Moronic-to-English dictionary", Was it a government program of Sanders', that gave you yours.

 

[Iceweasel]

That is funny. I don't understand some of these drug commercials to begin with.

Cialis used to show these two people in their bathtubs on top of an apartment roof or something. They are holding hands and smiling. My first thought is, why would that make me want to buy your product???

If you want me to buy your product, shouldn't you show this couple inside their apartment instead of on top of a roof? Show me the headboard banging against the wall and a midget swinging from a chandelier or something. Then I might say "I want me some of that!"

At the very least, shouldn't these two people be in the same bathtub?

I don't get it.

The commercial itself is meaningless. It's the disclaimer that attracts customers:
"Warning. If your penis turns into Godzilla and starts destroying small villages see your physician immediately."

I just don't understand it.

They sell another drug (I forget for what) and it shows a guy riding his bicycle with his family. WTF stopped you from riding your bike in the first place? Or they show a doctor on a public street with a mirror, and people are walking up to it and acting like they bought a new wardrobe or something. They are looking at their cholesterol level in the mirror.

So I went to my bedroom mirror to see if I could tell where my cholesterol was. All I noticed is my hair needed brushing.

It's all about an image or branding. It's illegal to advertize tobacco or liquor but perfectly acceptable to dupe people into demanding drugs from the doctor without knowing much more than a identity. I suspect the right hands are being greased.

You obviously have ever watched a sporting event on TV.

I really don't watch anything but football and zip through the ads. I looked into it and found:

Hard Liquor Biz Pushes for TV Ads
Contrary to common perception, there is no government ban on hard liquor commercials on television, as there is for cigarettes. The ongoing ban is a voluntary one that dates back to the introduction of the medium.

And it is not completely enforced: Canadian distilled drink giant Seagram broke the barrier with a cable commercial in 1996, and since then, the industry has seen broadcast ads as a distinct possibility. But distilled drink makers spent under $1 million on television ads last year, out of a total of $322 million in advertising expenditures.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sorry about your situation, but Lily may be compared to the extortionist who peddles "insurance"......Have you ever wondered why European countries do not succumb to such tactics?

Insurance companies do one thing: pay the bills. That's it. They do nothing different than our government does with our social programs. In fact, our government has hired private insurance to do their billing for them because they are so efficient at it.

Until Commie Care came along, health insurance companies made a reasonable profit, but not record profits like companies outside of the healthcare industry. They were between 2% and 9% I believe.

Insurance companies are not the major problem with healthcare costs.

Actually -- they have wrestled the doctors, other providers and pharma into submission. Doctors no longer are "raking it in" and many are retiring early.. Then you get a Sanders that comes along and PRETENDS that the govt is more competent at arm-twisting. And I guess they are if they can THREATEN your business.

But it's not like the Insurance companies aren't screwing the doctors, hospitals and even big Pharma every chance they get. Since O-care -- Tenn has been taken over by BlueCrossBlueShield. Effectively now a monopoly. Can raise prices all they want. And tell doctors to just bang it if they won't take their reimbursement rates.

The exact same is going on with government patients as well.

Medicare and Medicaid typically pay about 2/3 of the bill to the providers of their patients. To recoup those losses, doctors and facilities increase the cost of their services to private pay and privately insured patients. This is one of the reasons premiums have had a steady pace of increases the last few decades.

If you do a search on medical facilities that closed down, you would probably find that a majority of them closed down in poorer areas where most of the clients were government patients. The facilities couldn't recoup the losses because they had such a small amount of private insured patients.

So the solution to the problem is for government to pay their providers in full. But how could they do that? They would have to severely increase taxes such as Medicare deductions on your paycheck.

If that took place, then working people would revolt. They would elect leaders that would change the system such as a private insured system. That would take the control away from the government and nobody is about to do that.

My dentist charges me half the price that they charge insurance companies. I think this supports what you state.

I bet if we paid cash and did not use the government or insurance, the price for medical would be affordable.

This is true which is why I'm for a mandatory Health Savings account. It would be deducted from your paycheck like a tax, except it would go towards your medical care. You have to use that account first before insurance kicks in.

Insurance companies for years have been complaining about paperwork costs. You see a doctor for $150.00, and the paperwork goes to the insurance companies who in return have to create paperwork to send back along with the check. Then that charge may only apply to your deductible or the insurance company pays part of it.

By eliminating all that, the doctor could do with less staff, it would bypass the insurance company who can use their resources for much larger claims, and the price would go down.

It could be a small deduction let's say 2% for younger workers, and maybe 3% or so for middle-aged workers. That money will add up fast, and you could use it like a debit card where you just swipe it at the end of your doctors visits, the ER or the clinic.

That's really great idea until reality kicks in. Last year, I had an endoscopy and colonoscopy to check on some issues I was having. They claimed they were "routine". The bill was over $10,000 for a 90 minute hospital visit. So much for my HSA, which I have already! My share of the bill was over $4000. Thanks Obamacare!

 

[elektra]

That's really great idea until reality kicks in. Last year, I had an endoscopy and colonoscopy to check on some issues I was having. They claimed they were "routine". The bill was over $10,000 for a 90 minute hospital visit. So much for my HSA, which I have already! My share of the bill was over $4000. Thanks Obamacare!

Under Socialism you are covered, there are two classes of people under Socialism, the Rich who can afford the luxury of life, and the Poor who are taken care of how the government sees fit.

The middle class will be gone soon and there will be no problems

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That is funny. I don't understand some of these drug commercials to begin with.

Cialis used to show these two people in their bathtubs on top of an apartment roof or something. They are holding hands and smiling. My first thought is, why would that make me want to buy your product???

If you want me to buy your product, shouldn't you show this couple inside their apartment instead of on top of a roof? Show me the headboard banging against the wall and a midget swinging from a chandelier or something. Then I might say "I want me some of that!"

At the very least, shouldn't these two people be in the same bathtub?

I don't get it.

The commercial itself is meaningless. It's the disclaimer that attracts customers:
"Warning. If your penis turns into Godzilla and starts destroying small villages see your physician immediately."

Nobody realizes that disclaimer about "If your erection lasts more than 4 hours, see a physician". When you do, all he or she will do is show you a nude photo of Hillary and you will be cured instantly.

 

[Arizona Willie]

I am older----I pay for all my scripts. I like the idea of paying less------I would not buy meds from Canada

I don't know how Canada came into the conversation, but if you were to order meds online from a "Canadian pharmacy," they'd actually be coming from India, China, Sri Lanka, or a host of other countries.

That's where American drugs are made, regardless of how you, the consumer, end up with them. The big difference is in the pricing.

bull shit----------american drugs are LARGELY MADE IN AMERICA-----unless you are buying speed ON-LINE

Nope. The company HQ is probably somewhere in New Jersey, but the manufacturing has been outsourced.

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And now they have probably " merged " with some SOCIALIST company in a SOCIALIST COUNTRY and no longer pay American taxes even though they are still headquartered here.

Walgreens is gone too. Another tax dodging company. They want the U.S. Market but don't want to pay their share of maintaining the country they profit from.

Pay their share? Oh, you mean grabbing their ankles while you liberals fuck the life out of them.

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Iceweasel is a typical Republican ... convinced everyone is out to fuck him and steal from him.

No one works for their money but HIM.

I am so glad I was raised by humans instead of Republicans and that Iceweasel isn't a member of my family.

 

[elektra]

Nobody realizes that disclaimer about "If your erection lasts more than 4 hours, see a physician". When you do, all he or she will do is show you a nude photo of Hillary and you will be cured instantly.

Under Sanders support of homosexuality will rule the day, hence it will be a nude photo of sanders.

 

[Arizona Willie]

One of Sanders' proposal is not only sane but doable if only congress was not a bunch of self-centered cowards...The proposal is to compel Medicare to openly negotiate with big pharmaceuticals companies for lower prices based on volume.....

Who would lose if this proposal were to become a reality? Big pharma's CEOs and board members who no longer could upgrade to more modern Lear jets every few years.

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They don't HAVE to compel Medicare.

Medicare would LOVE to price shop.

But Mr. Boehner insisted on putting that in there for the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies when he negotiated Obamacare with Obama.

BTW Obama gave Boehner almost everything he wanted and then Boehner pretends he hates it all and doesn't know how it possibly got written up that way.

What a fuckin' lie. Boehner was involved in creating Medicare just as much as Obama was.

Why must you state such an obvious lie? No Republicans were even allowed to even discuss Obamacare. It was passed by political chicanery and nary a Republican had a damn say in anything about it!

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YOU are the fucking LIAR.

Boehner and Obama negotiated the Affordable Care Act, known to neanderthals as Obamacare.

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't know how Canada came into the conversation, but if you were to order meds online from a "Canadian pharmacy," they'd actually be coming from India, China, Sri Lanka, or a host of other countries.

That's where American drugs are made, regardless of how you, the consumer, end up with them. The big difference is in the pricing.

bull shit----------american drugs are LARGELY MADE IN AMERICA-----unless you are buying speed ON-LINE

Nope. The company HQ is probably somewhere in New Jersey, but the manufacturing has been outsourced.

==========
And now they have probably " merged " with some SOCIALIST company in a SOCIALIST COUNTRY and no longer pay American taxes even though they are still headquartered here.

Walgreens is gone too. Another tax dodging company. They want the U.S. Market but don't want to pay their share of maintaining the country they profit from.

Pay their share? Oh, you mean grabbing their ankles while you liberals fuck the life out of them.

=======
Iceweasel is a typical Republican ... convinced everyone is out to fuck him and steal from him.

No one works for their money but HIM.

I am so glad I was raised by humans instead of Republicans and that Iceweasel isn't a member of my family.

Willy is the typical internet tard. He plays with his willy online and thinks people aren't laughing at him. I'm not a party member so he tripped over his little pecker right out of the gate.

Who said no one works but me? And no, I'm not a member of a pond scum family. Thank God.
Get some air Willy, you need it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One of Sanders' proposal is not only sane but doable if only congress was not a bunch of self-centered cowards...The proposal is to compel Medicare to openly negotiate with big pharmaceuticals companies for lower prices based on volume.....

Who would lose if this proposal were to become a reality? Big pharma's CEOs and board members who no longer could upgrade to more modern Lear jets every few years.

==========
They don't HAVE to compel Medicare.

Medicare would LOVE to price shop.

But Mr. Boehner insisted on putting that in there for the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies when he negotiated Obamacare with Obama.

BTW Obama gave Boehner almost everything he wanted and then Boehner pretends he hates it all and doesn't know how it possibly got written up that way.

What a fuckin' lie. Boehner was involved in creating Medicare just as much as Obama was.

Why must you state such an obvious lie? No Republicans were even allowed to even discuss Obamacare. It was passed by political chicanery and nary a Republican had a damn say in anything about it!

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YOU are the fucking LIAR.

Boehner and Obama negotiated the Affordable Care Act, known to neanderthals as Obamacare.

Negotiated? Look up that word because you have no fucking idea what it means!

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?

Are you that clueless?

 

[Iceweasel]

One of Sanders' proposal is not only sane but doable if only congress was not a bunch of self-centered cowards...The proposal is to compel Medicare to openly negotiate with big pharmaceuticals companies for lower prices based on volume.....

Who would lose if this proposal were to become a reality? Big pharma's CEOs and board members who no longer could upgrade to more modern Lear jets every few years.

==========
They don't HAVE to compel Medicare.

Medicare would LOVE to price shop.

But Mr. Boehner insisted on putting that in there for the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies when he negotiated Obamacare with Obama.

BTW Obama gave Boehner almost everything he wanted and then Boehner pretends he hates it all and doesn't know how it possibly got written up that way.

What a fuckin' lie. Boehner was involved in creating Medicare just as much as Obama was.

Why must you state such an obvious lie? No Republicans were even allowed to even discuss Obamacare. It was passed by political chicanery and nary a Republican had a damn say in anything about it!

=====
YOU are the fucking LIAR.

Boehner and Obama negotiated the Affordable Care Act, known to neanderthals as Obamacare.

LOL.

Boehner: House GOP files Obamacare suit - CNNPolitics.com
House Speaker John Boehner said Friday he has sued the Obama Administration in federal court over its decisions to make changes to the President's health care law, which congressional Republicans argue were unconstitutional.

The move was expected for months -- the GOP-controlled House of Representatives voted to approve the lawsuit in July. But Boehner had trouble retaining a law firm that would take the case because of the political furor over the controversial health care law.

"Time after time, the President has chosen to ignore the will of the American people and re-write federal law on his own without a vote of Congress. That's not the way our system of government was designed to work," Boehner said in statement on Friday.

 

[Arizona Willie]

bull shit----------american drugs are LARGELY MADE IN AMERICA-----unless you are buying speed ON-LINE

Nope. The company HQ is probably somewhere in New Jersey, but the manufacturing has been outsourced.

==========
And now they have probably " merged " with some SOCIALIST company in a SOCIALIST COUNTRY and no longer pay American taxes even though they are still headquartered here.

Walgreens is gone too. Another tax dodging company. They want the U.S. Market but don't want to pay their share of maintaining the country they profit from.

Pay their share? Oh, you mean grabbing their ankles while you liberals fuck the life out of them.

=======
Iceweasel is a typical Republican ... convinced everyone is out to fuck him and steal from him.

No one works for their money but HIM.

I am so glad I was raised by humans instead of Republicans and that Iceweasel isn't a member of my family.

Willy is the typical internet tard. He plays with his willy online and thinks people aren't laughing at him. I'm not a party member so he tripped over his little pecker right out of the gate.

Who said no one works but me? And no, I'm not a member of a pond scum family. Thank God.
Get some air Willy, you need it.

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The bitterness of your posts says you ARE a Republican.

I've been on various forums since 1984 before the Internet when we had BBS systems and Republicans always are bitter jealous people.

ALWAYS

 

[Care4all]

Kill the Advertising, like all other Nations....

And why not raise the prices slightly on all the other countries that buy their drugs from Pharma at a discount of 10 times less than we buy our drugs from Pharma....?

In other words, why should Americans cover all the R & D costs for the rest of the world who also buys these drugs, through our higher prices and through our taxes that are given for all the R & D?

It should be a shared expense, not ALL on our shoulders for everyone else who buys them.

 

[Arizona Willie]

One of Sanders' proposal is not only sane but doable if only congress was not a bunch of self-centered cowards...The proposal is to compel Medicare to openly negotiate with big pharmaceuticals companies for lower prices based on volume.....

Who would lose if this proposal were to become a reality? Big pharma's CEOs and board members who no longer could upgrade to more modern Lear jets every few years.

==========
They don't HAVE to compel Medicare.

Medicare would LOVE to price shop.

But Mr. Boehner insisted on putting that in there for the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies when he negotiated Obamacare with Obama.

BTW Obama gave Boehner almost everything he wanted and then Boehner pretends he hates it all and doesn't know how it possibly got written up that way.

What a fuckin' lie. Boehner was involved in creating Medicare just as much as Obama was.

Why must you state such an obvious lie? No Republicans were even allowed to even discuss Obamacare. It was passed by political chicanery and nary a Republican had a damn say in anything about it!

=====
YOU are the fucking LIAR.

Boehner and Obama negotiated the Affordable Care Act, known to neanderthals as Obamacare.

Negotiated? Look up that word because you have no fucking idea what it means!

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?

Are you that clueless?

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How many Republicans voted for it is IRRELEVANT to the FACT that Boehner negotiated the Affordable Health Care Act with Obama.

It was on the TV news every night almost. They would often show Boehner leaving the Oval Office as they did a voice over about any progress.

You are astoundingly ignorant.

 

[Iceweasel]

Nope. The company HQ is probably somewhere in New Jersey, but the manufacturing has been outsourced.

==========
And now they have probably " merged " with some SOCIALIST company in a SOCIALIST COUNTRY and no longer pay American taxes even though they are still headquartered here.

Walgreens is gone too. Another tax dodging company. They want the U.S. Market but don't want to pay their share of maintaining the country they profit from.

Pay their share? Oh, you mean grabbing their ankles while you liberals fuck the life out of them.

=======
Iceweasel is a typical Republican ... convinced everyone is out to fuck him and steal from him.

No one works for their money but HIM.

I am so glad I was raised by humans instead of Republicans and that Iceweasel isn't a member of my family.

Willy is the typical internet tard. He plays with his willy online and thinks people aren't laughing at him. I'm not a party member so he tripped over his little pecker right out of the gate.

Who said no one works but me? And no, I'm not a member of a pond scum family. Thank God.
Get some air Willy, you need it.

========
The bitterness of your posts says you ARE a Republican.

I've been on various forums since 1984 before the Internet when we had BBS systems and Republicans always are bitter jealous people.

ALWAYS

The stupidity of your posts clearly demonstrate you are at a minimum mildly retarded. You make idiotic comments, then you double and triple down on them. You've been polluting the internet since 1984? What a stupid asshole.

 

[Care4all]

We would not have this problem if Medicare part D had not made it illegal for gvt to negotiate bulk discounts, and illegal for us to purchase the drugs at a lower cost from Canada in the first place.

And Tauzine, as soon as he got the bill passed in the wee hours of the morning, through holding a 15 minute vote that initially did not pass... opened for 3 hours to bribe congressmen to change their vote to yes, then Tauzine left congress and immediately took a job with PHARMA for millions of dollars a year...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

One of Sanders' proposal is not only sane but doable if only congress was not a bunch of self-centered cowards...The proposal is to compel Medicare to openly negotiate with big pharmaceuticals companies for lower prices based on volume.....

Who would lose if this proposal were to become a reality? Big pharma's CEOs and board members who no longer could upgrade to more modern Lear jets every few years.

==========
They don't HAVE to compel Medicare.

Medicare would LOVE to price shop.

But Mr. Boehner insisted on putting that in there for the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies when he negotiated Obamacare with Obama.

BTW Obama gave Boehner almost everything he wanted and then Boehner pretends he hates it all and doesn't know how it possibly got written up that way.

What a fuckin' lie. Boehner was involved in creating Medicare just as much as Obama was.

Why must you state such an obvious lie? No Republicans were even allowed to even discuss Obamacare. It was passed by political chicanery and nary a Republican had a damn say in anything about it!

=====
YOU are the fucking LIAR.

Boehner and Obama negotiated the Affordable Care Act, known to neanderthals as Obamacare.

Negotiated? Look up that word because you have no fucking idea what it means!

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?

Are you that clueless?

=======
How many Republicans voted for it is IRRELEVANT to the FACT that Boehner negotiated the Affordable Health Care Act with Obama.

It was on the TV news every night almost. They would often show Boehner leaving the Oval Office as they did a voice over about any progress.

You are astoundingly ignorant.

It was going to pass with all Democrats anyway. Boehner was just trying to water it down as much as he could. No Republican was for Commie Care in the first place.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Kill the Advertising, like all other Nations....

And why not raise the prices slightly on all the other countries that buy their drugs from Pharma at a discount of 10 times less than we buy our drugs from Pharma....?

In other words, why should Americans cover all the R & D costs for the rest of the world who also buys these drugs, through our higher prices and through our taxes that are given for all the R & D?

It should be a shared expense, not ALL on our shoulders for everyone else who buys them.

How would you force companies or countries to do that?