Who coined "separation of church and state?"

[JBeukema]

In God we Trust is still on our Money.

Under God is still in our pledge of allegiance.

Can you tell us when, exactly, 'God' was inserted into our pledge- you know, the pledge written by a socialist?

 

[Old Rocks]

You lie.

Proof positive you couldn't see truth if it bit you on the ass and repeatedly clawed your legs till you bled out.

It's sad how little people know about their own country's history. They also opened the very first session of Congress with a prayer session that lasted for hours. A high percentage of the founding fathers, I can't remember the exact number now, were pastors and had degrees in theology.

Yes, it is sad that people know so little of their nations history. And you are a prime example of that.

The Christian Nation Myth

The Christian Nation Myth
Farrell Till
Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."

Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

 

[mascale]

The Federalist Papers, written in support of the adoption of the Constitution, note how often one or another of the adopted parts was created so as not to offend The Quakers.

The Constituion, in fact, was written in Convention in Philadelphia.

The Pennsylvania Colony was Quaker, though not all residents later on, were in that way(?)!

The Amendments Are Not In The Constituion(?)!

The Tea Party knows this, and Mormons are not allowed, Baptists are not allowed, Catholics are not allowed, Amish are. . .nobody cares. Jews are not allowed. Methodists are not allowed. Episcopalians are not Allowed. Hare Krishna is Not Allowed. Moslems are not allowed.

In fact, In DeConftituion, Only Defence: Is mainly allowed.

Anyone notices about the signers, even: Once they were done, they invariably left town! The Republican GOP/Tea Party knows about that.

In the 2010 midterm elections in America, that is what passes for policy agenda!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Who Was Mascale, Anyway! The Really Loooone White Man! ! Tune In, and see if he's dead yet!)

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hugo Black.

Supreme Court Justice.

Former Klansman.

Hated Catholics.

Democrat.

Not true.

He actually took the phrase from the the Klansman's Creed, and they got it from the Jefferson supporters who were trying to silence the Northern clergy that opposed slavery.

 

[Old Rocks]

And so many pretend so hard that there is no connection.

Yet our public buildings are full of religious markers and decorations.

And a great many pagan decorations as well.

Our congress begins each secession with a prayer.

Yes, we should all say a prayer anytime our congress is in session.

In God we Trust is still on our Money.

And everybody else pays in cash!

Under God is still in our pledge of allegiance.

A pledge written by a Socialist, the words were inserted in the Pledge in 1954. I remember the change as a child.

Separation of church and state? I don't think so. Thank God.

Yes, Seperation of Church and State, thank any Diety or lack thereof that you please.

 

[Queen]

Hugo Black.

Supreme Court Justice.

Former Klansman.

Hated Catholics.

Democrat.

My god, you conservative freaks are clueless.

Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase in describing the 1st amendment and what it's intent is.

OMG.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

And so many pretend so hard that there is no connection.

Straw man, the argument is that there shouldn't be or that the stuff is unconstitutional.

Which is the point. It is not unconstitutional as long as Government does not promote any one religion. Though Christianity has been under some pretty tough attacks in the courts.

Examples? What "attacks" against "Christianity"?

 

[Queen]

Straw man, the argument is that there shouldn't be or that the stuff is unconstitutional.

Which is the point. It is not unconstitutional as long as Government does not promote any one religion. Though Christianity has been under some pretty tough attacks in the courts.

Examples? What "attacks" against "Christianity"?

He probably means when a Christian puts a religious symbol on public, tax payer, property and the courts find this unconstitutional.

He thinks that's an attack against Christianity.

You see, the cons really don't respect the constitution. They really don't even know what's in it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The forefathers did not seek to remove God from Gov't, they want to stop the power the church had on Gov't . We need to put God back in

Absolutely not. That is what your church, synogogue, mosque, coven, temple is for.

And you can go fuck yourself. You're a damn liar. Congress can make no law establishing a religion. That means the American people are free from congressional authority concerning their religion. There is nothing in that claus that say to keep our religion in our church, synogogue, mosque, coven, or temple.

You're a lying idiot.

Nope, Jack Fate, you have it all backwards as usual. The founders were so much smarter than you. James Madison, for instance, understood that religion, unhooked from government, becomes incredibly competitive among the various denominations, which is the American spirit distilled, is it not? Steven Waldman's Founding Faith: Providence, Politics, and the Birth of Religious Freedom in America is a book you, and some others, should certainly read.

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Founding-Faith-Providence-Politics-Religious/dp/1400064376[/ame]

 

[SFC Ollie]

In God we Trust is still on our Money.

Under God is still in our pledge of allegiance.

Can you tell us when, exactly, 'God' was inserted into our pledge- you know, the pledge written by a socialist?

Without looking it up 1952 or there about. What difference does that make moron? It's there.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Straw man, the argument is that there shouldn't be or that the stuff is unconstitutional.

Which is the point. It is not unconstitutional as long as Government does not promote any one religion. Though Christianity has been under some pretty tough attacks in the courts.

Examples? What "attacks" against "Christianity"?

First off, please remember that I have never and will never mention my own religion. That is between me and my God whomever or what ever that may be in my mind.


Think about it, Holiday time instead of Christmas. Seasons greetings. Remove the mangers from downtown. Remove that cross i have to see on my way to work. And you don't know about any of this?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Evangelicalism and fundamentalism grow ever smaller and less important in America. Other Christian denominations and non-Christian denominations grow more important in America. Times change, God remains unchanged. There is nothing here to worry about.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Which is the point. It is not unconstitutional as long as Government does not promote any one religion. Though Christianity has been under some pretty tough attacks in the courts.

Examples? What "attacks" against "Christianity"?

First off, please remember that I have never and will never mention my own religion. That is between me and my God whomever or what ever that may be in my mind.

Of course.

Think about it, Holiday time instead of Christmas. Seasons greetings. Remove the mangers from downtown. Remove that cross i have to see on my way to work. And you don't know about any of this?

What court decision was involved with changing greeting cards to "Seasons Greetings"?

All of the court decisions involving crosses and mangers had to do with PUBLIC property. Because we live in a nation where everyone is free to believe in whatever God they want (or lack thereof), why should PUBLIC land be used to promote one religion, and not all?

Would you be ok with a Pentagram hanging on the side of a courthouse? How about Star and Crescent?

 

[Charles_Main]

Hugo Black.

Supreme Court Justice.

Former Klansman.

Hated Catholics.

Democrat.

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The modern concept is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was intended, as The U.S. Supreme Court has currently interpreted it since 1947, to mean that religion and government must stay separate for the benefit of both, including the idea that the government must not impose religion on Americans nor create any law requiring it. It has since been in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court,[1] though the Court has not always fully embraced the principle.[

 

[SFC Ollie]

Examples? What "attacks" against "Christianity"?

First off, please remember that I have never and will never mention my own religion. That is between me and my God whomever or what ever that may be in my mind.

Of course.

Think about it, Holiday time instead of Christmas. Seasons greetings. Remove the mangers from downtown. Remove that cross i have to see on my way to work. And you don't know about any of this?

What court decision was involved with changing greeting cards to "Seasons Greetings"?

All of the court decisions involving crosses and mangers had to do with PUBLIC property. Because we live in a nation where everyone is free to believe in whatever God they want (or lack thereof), why should PUBLIC land be used to promote one religion, and not all?

Would you be ok with a Pentagram hanging on the side of a courthouse? How about Star and Crescent?

Would not phase me in the least. As long as the Government does not tell me which religion I have to practice, why should I care what decorates our city Squares. My village by the way still sets out a Manger display at Christmas time. I'm told the display is about 75 years old. So I guess that piece of history is unconstitutional now?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

First off, please remember that I have never and will never mention my own religion. That is between me and my God whomever or what ever that may be in my mind.

Of course.

Think about it, Holiday time instead of Christmas. Seasons greetings. Remove the mangers from downtown. Remove that cross i have to see on my way to work. And you don't know about any of this?

What court decision was involved with changing greeting cards to "Seasons Greetings"?

All of the court decisions involving crosses and mangers had to do with PUBLIC property. Because we live in a nation where everyone is free to believe in whatever God they want (or lack thereof), why should PUBLIC land be used to promote one religion, and not all?

Would you be ok with a Pentagram hanging on the side of a courthouse? How about Star and Crescent?

Would not phase me in the least. As long as the Government does not tell me which religion I have to practice, why should I care what decorates our city Squares. My village by the way still sets out a Manger display at Christmas time. I'm told the display is about 75 years old. So I guess that piece of history is unconstitutional now?

According to who? Me personally, I don't think it's a violation of the First, nor do I care whether or not it's there. You guys are welcome to your manger, if you want.

I just have a big problem with the whole "persecuted Christians" idea. No one is unfairly targeting Christians, there's no "WAR ON CHRISTMAS". It's just more scare tactics.

 

[Charles_Main]

Of course.



What court decision was involved with changing greeting cards to "Seasons Greetings"?

All of the court decisions involving crosses and mangers had to do with PUBLIC property. Because we live in a nation where everyone is free to believe in whatever God they want (or lack thereof), why should PUBLIC land be used to promote one religion, and not all?

Would you be ok with a Pentagram hanging on the side of a courthouse? How about Star and Crescent?

Would not phase me in the least. As long as the Government does not tell me which religion I have to practice, why should I care what decorates our city Squares. My village by the way still sets out a Manger display at Christmas time. I'm told the display is about 75 years old. So I guess that piece of history is unconstitutional now?

According to who? Me personally, I don't think it's a violation of the First, nor do I care whether or not it's there. You guys are welcome to your manger, if you want.

I just have a big problem with the whole "persecuted Christians" idea. No one is unfairly targeting Christians, there's no "WAR ON CHRISTMAS". It's just more scare tactics.

Sorry I can not agree. There is a war on Christmas. It is not being waged by a large amount of people. But there is a small far left group of people who detest any sign of Christmas and fight it where they can. Last year we had a group of People protesting with signs outside our civic center. Which is only half city owned. Because of Christmas lights on some of the pine trees on the grounds. Those people are waging a war on Christmas IMO.

 

[Cal]

Hugo Black.

Supreme Court Justice.

Former Klansman.

Hated Catholics.

Democrat.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." - U.S. Constitution

That's seperation of church and state. Like it, lump it, bump it, or jump it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Would not phase me in the least. As long as the Government does not tell me which religion I have to practice, why should I care what decorates our city Squares. My village by the way still sets out a Manger display at Christmas time. I'm told the display is about 75 years old. So I guess that piece of history is unconstitutional now?

According to who? Me personally, I don't think it's a violation of the First, nor do I care whether or not it's there. You guys are welcome to your manger, if you want.

I just have a big problem with the whole "persecuted Christians" idea. No one is unfairly targeting Christians, there's no "WAR ON CHRISTMAS". It's just more scare tactics.

Sorry I can not agree. There is a war on Christmas. It is not being waged by a large amount of people. But there is a small far left group of people who detest any sign of Christmas and fight it where they can. Last year we had a group of People protesting with signs outside our civic center. Which is only half city owned. Because of Christmas lights on some of the pine trees on the grounds. Those people are waging a war on Christmas IMO.

I don't consider the actions of a small group of batshit wingers to constitute a "War on Christmas", the same way I don't consider the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church to be a "War on Soldier's Funerals".

 

[Queen]

Would not phase me in the least. As long as the Government does not tell me which religion I have to practice, why should I care what decorates our city Squares. My village by the way still sets out a Manger display at Christmas time. I'm told the display is about 75 years old. So I guess that piece of history is unconstitutional now?

According to who? Me personally, I don't think it's a violation of the First, nor do I care whether or not it's there. You guys are welcome to your manger, if you want.

I just have a big problem with the whole "persecuted Christians" idea. No one is unfairly targeting Christians, there's no "WAR ON CHRISTMAS". It's just more scare tactics.

Sorry I can not agree. There is a war on Christmas. It is not being waged by a large amount of people. But there is a small far left group of people who detest any sign of Christmas and fight it where they can. Last year we had a group of People protesting with signs outside our civic center. Which is only half city owned. Because of Christmas lights on some of the pine trees on the grounds. Those people are waging a war on Christmas IMO.

Your war is a myth. There's no war against Christmas. Just a bunch of whiny Christians crying about a fake war. They don't care about anyone else's religion. If the guy at the store says Happy Holidays they have a little coniption fit and cry about a war. Nevermind that Happy Holidays means Merry Christmas/Happy New Year/Happy kwanza/Happy whatever the fuck else there is. Christians have to be the most immature, selfish cryababies I've ever seen.