Who coined "separation of church and state?"

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War on Christmas?

Now that is funny but I guess the stores are putting up some Christmas stuff already.

Christmas is a pagan holiday co-opted by Christians, their war on christmas is not over yet, they still whine that someone is gonna steal their christmas. When they are continuing to steal Christmas.


Actually they are screwing up christmas by playing the coproprate spending game for christmas.

The early Christians were no dummies, they made their major holidays coincide with major pagan holidays on purpose. Made it easier to get converts....

Only think you've said that makes any sense. The Christians took over the pagan holidays all except for Halloween. Samhain was the summer's end holiday. But Christians couldn't make anything up to fit it I guess. They invented Jesus' birthday for Christmas. They invented his coming back to life for Easter. I guess they couldn't make one up for the Summer Solstice either. It's a pagan to celebrate Easter with eggs and rabbits. It's a fertility celebration. Christianity's just more hocus pocus to control the masses.

Wow ..... another people person. That's what Christians are here for, to take over Pagan Holidays. It's party time ... huh. Are you worried that May Day or Earth Day is next??? Good. I'm looking forward to it. When we take over your day (Stupid Idiot Day) I'll look forward to that too, moron.

 

[Queen]

The early Christians were no dummies, they made their major holidays coincide with major pagan holidays on purpose. Made it easier to get converts....

Only think you've said that makes any sense. The Christians took over the pagan holidays all except for Halloween. Samhain was the summer's end holiday. But Christians couldn't make anything up to fit it I guess. They invented Jesus' birthday for Christmas. They invented his coming back to life for Easter. I guess they couldn't make one up for the Summer Solstice either. It's a pagan to celebrate Easter with eggs and rabbits. It's a fertility celebration. Christianity's just more hocus pocus to control the masses.

Wow ..... another people person. That's what Christians are here for, to take over Pagan Holidays. It's party time ... huh. Are you worried that May Day or Earth Day is next??? Good. I'm looking forward to it. When we take over your day (Stupid Idiot Day) I'll look forward to that too, moron.

LOL!!!!

Don't tell me, you're a Christian and this is a nice Christian post, filled with love and charity for your fellow man, who Jesus loves.

HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[AllieBaba]

Separation of church and state was a term that came about when Jefferson was discussing with the Danbury BAPTISTS the role of religion in government.

'A Wall of Separation' (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

"Separation of church and state is one of the primary theological distinctions of the Baptist tradition."
Baptists in the history of separation of church and state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The primary purpose of the "Wall of Separation" letter written to the Danbury Baptists was not, as many ascertain, to oppose them in their alleged desire to use the state to establish a state religion, but rather to assure them that such a thing would not happen, and they could continue to worship in freedom and peace.

"Jefferson's Danbury letter was written mearly to assure Connecticut Baptists that the Constitution did not permit the establishment of a national denomination.

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In recent years some accommodationists have attempted to discount the significance of Jefferson's Danbury letter by arguing that the "wall of separation" metaphor was intended only to assure Baptists that the Constitution would prohibit Congress from establishing Congregationalism as the national religion. On this line the "wall" metaphor is to be read as an endorsement of non-preferentialism, as opposed to a reference to the general absence of federal power over religion.
We don't know who first made this argument, but it was popularized by anti-separation activist David Barton in his 1992 book, The Myth of Separation. On page 41 of Myth he argues as follows:


Although the statesmen and patriots who framed the Constitution had made it clear that no one Christian denomination would become the official denomination, the Danbury Baptists expressed their concern over a rumor that a particular denomination was soon to be recognized as a national denomination. On January 1, 1802, President Jefferson responded to the Danbury Baptists in a letter. He calmed their fears by using the now infamous phrase to assure than the federal government would not establish any single denomination of Christianity as the national denomination (p. 41).
True to form, Barton's assertion contradicts virtually everything we know about the Danbury letter. First, there is no evidence that the Danbury Baptists wrote to Jefferson because of a rumor that "a particular denomination was soon to be declared a national denomination." Barton does not evidence this claim, and the argument is implausible on it's face: the First Amendment had been in effect for about a decade, and it was universally understood that Congress had no ability to declare a national religion (see Thomas Curry, The First Freedoms, ch. eight; Leonard Levy, The Establishment Clause, chs. 4-5). It is difficult to believe, in other words, that any group of well informed citizens--let alone Baptists, who were generally knowledgeable on issues of religious freedom--would have taken such a preposterous rumor seriously.

Second, a good deal of Jefferson's correspondence with religious groups during his presidency is extant, and nowhere in this correspondence do we find Jefferson addressing rumors of a national religious establishment. If a national establishment was the context of the Danbury letter, the Danbury Baptists were, so far as we can tell, alone in that concern.

Third, and more important, a copy of the Danbury Baptist's letter to Jefferson survives, and it utterly contradicts Barton's reading. The letter does not mention a national establishment; rather, the letter is concerned with the lack of religious liberty Baptists enjoyed in the state of Connecticut. The Baptist complaint was that the Connecticut state constitution did not prohibit the state from legislating about religious matters. As a consequence, they argued, "...what religious privileges we [Baptists] enjoy (as a minor part of the state) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights: and these favors we receive at the expense of such degrading acknowledgements as are inconsistent with the rights of freemen."

"In summary, there is no evidence that the context of the Danbury letter was a rumor of a national establishment. On the contrary, the concern of the Danbury Baptists was religious oppression in the state of Connecticut. Jefferson used the letter as an opportunity to express his own views that the First Amendment created a "wall of separation between church and state." This was no mere assurance that Congress could not establish a national religion. It was a response to the very thesis of the Baptists' letter: that religious rights are by nature inalienable. The Baptists wanted that view to prevail in Connecticut. Jefferson's metaphor assured them that this was already true on the national level, and that the federal government had no right to legislate on religious matters in any way."



Context of Danbury Letter

 

[AllieBaba]

And no one else does either, you know why? Because soldiers aren't wimpy, whiny, weenies like Christians who cry about a war on Christmas are.

What? Most soldiers I knew were Christian. now how do you compare the two? And there is a war against Christmas in this country. And the Christians are losing. IMHO.

I guess I'm wrong. You're a weenie, wimpy crybaby soldier.

How are the Christians losing? Is someone preventing you from celebrating Christmas? Do you put up your tree in fear of arrest? Do you put lights on your house and then are afraid to light them?
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Yeah, those wimpy crybaby soldiers are the ones who make it possible for you to badmouth America, Christians, politicians, schools, and the military without being dragged out of your bed at night and shot in the street by Muslims who would like to force you to comply to sharia law. Do you wear a burka? Because if you don't, and we didn't have people like Christians and Ollie standing between you and then, any Muslim man could inflict the death penalty on you and be perfectly justified in the sharia court for doing so.

Only they wouldn't waste a bullet on you. They'd bury you halfway and throw rocks at you until you gave up the ghost.

What a puke you are. Crawl back under your slimy rock.