Who are The Real Racists?

[manu1959]

Oh, I'm sorry, am I not being politically correct enough for you?

you are just being who you are....ok by me....you have to answer to you....me...i could care less how you live your life

 

[sitarro]

Oh, I'm sorry, am I not being politically correct enough for you?

Hey ace,

Sorry to inform you of this but you are way over your head attempting to argue with that highly restrained lady we know as Kathianne. You think(?) you have her and this board in general figured out and yet you really couldn't be making a bigger mistake. Kathianne has been VERY kind to you jasendork(obviously her maternal instincts kicking in), you better go ahead and skip along to DU before you get your bvds ripped clean off the really bad way, get it kid?

She certainly doesn't need my help, I'm trying to pull you out of the proverbial line of fire before the daisy cutter gets dropped on your ass.

 

[red states rule]

I could not find a copy of the Milwaukee Journal with said SC Justice Thomas is "not really a black man."
If someone can find it they can post it. I believe it was published in Oct 05.
However, my entire point is the double standard the liberal media and the Dems have towards black conservatives
I cannot remember a conservative sprewing racial slurs toward black liberals without being called on it
We have had Sec of State Rice compared to Aunt Jemima
Colin Powel called a slave serving his master. Where is the NAACP? Or do they defend only black liberals?

Here is another article which I found interesting.........

Democrat Racism Hitting Fever Pitch
Politics/Sher Zieve
November 11, 2005 - The liberal Democrats’ bigotry and even hatred of those who hold different ideologies to theirs is becoming increasingly palpable. I can almost taste the bile. Yuck! In fact, it has become just downright vicious. Black Americans who have left the Democrat plantation are no longer “black”, according to Democrats.

In a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Op/Ed, Justice Clarence Thomas was said to be black but, ‘with an asterisk’; meaning he’s only a pretender and not really black. Justice Thomas, a conservative, has had to weather racial slurs from Democrat black Americans and Democrats in general for years. Democrats consider it bad enough to be white and conservative. But, if one is intelligent, black and conservative, they consider it a personal attack. And now that Maryland Lieutenant Governor Michael Steele, a conservative Republican black American, has decided to run for the US Senate—Democrats have become spitting mad!

Liberal Democrats hated it enough when Steele was the running mate of Maryland Republican Governor Robert L. Ehrlich. Democrat Maryland State Senate President Mike Miller Jr. even called him “an Uncle Tom”. Then, the liberal and most-intolerant Baltimore Sun gleefully joined Miller’s racism when it wrote that Steele “brings little to the team but the color of his skin.” How’s that for liberal “broadmindedness”? The usual and to-be-expected Democrat tactic of “if you can’t destroy the message, ruin the messenger” ploy was in full play.

Note: Unfortunately for the Democrats, the Lt. Governor has proven his intellect, courage and mettle. One of the things Democrats hate more than conservative Republican black Americans are conservative black Americans who are extremely capable. They patently detest these people!

Liberal and leftist demonstrators against Steele’s Senate run are again pelting him with Oreo cookies, for the unmistakable inference that Steel is “black on the outside and white on the inside”. Black Americans are only “tolerated” by the Democrat Party if they are Democrats—and then just barely. Even black Democrat Maryland Delegate Salina Siler joined the fray, when she said of Steele: “Because he is a conservative, he is different than most public blacks, and he is different than most people in our community. His politics are not in the best interest of the masses of black people.” She also called him an “Oreo cookie”. Nice mouth, Ms. Siler.

Question: Have you ever noticed it’s the Left that regularly uses the phrase “the masses”? There is no room for individuals or creative thought in the Democrat Party.

In order to attempt to block (if not stop) Steele’s run for the Senate, liberal and leftist blogs are now providing a litany of slurs against Steele—on a regular basis. These include, as was recently affected (hers was affected by the liberal ‘mainstream press’) against Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, ‘doctored’ pictures to make Steele appear demonic. And of course the liberals’ ever-popular throwing of Oreo-cookies-attack-mode tactics continues.

Question: Don’t you find it of interest that it is the Republican Party that supports and promotes able people, regardless of their race, and that it is the Democrat Party that doesn’t? I do.

The ongoing fear of the Democrat Party is that the majority of its black constituency may one day actually wake up from its leftist Kool-Aid induced stupor and become sober again. If that happens, the current Democrat Party is over. With nothing more than “we hate Bush” as its mantra (they still don’t seem to realize that President Bush won’t and can’t run for a 3rd term), and no policies for the country, the Democrats have devolved into a whining, racist, anarchist group of petulant children; demanding that we listen to them even though they have nothing viable to say.

The “terrible twos” virus is still running rampant throughout the Democrat Party and most if not all of them seem to be infected. And most of them don’t want to get well. So, as always, one age-old question remains: “Do we want adults or mean-spirited childish bullies as our leaders?” I know my answer.
Sher Zieve is an author and political commentator and her Op/Ed columns are widely carried by multiple Internet Journals and sites. Her columns have, also, appeared in The Oregon Herald, Dallas Times, Boston Star, Massachusetts Sun, Sacramento Sun, in International news publications and on University websites. Zieve is currently working on her first political book: “The Liberal’s Guide To Conservatives” http://www.augustagency.com/authors.htm and she believes that if Leftists ran the country (and followed their own inane teachings), it would be the end of the United States as a sovereign nation

Contact Sher

 

[Said1]

I thought the race card was labelling an entire group of people due to the words or actions of a small subgroup.

For instance, me labelling all Republicans racists just because their Senate leader waxed poetic over how things would be better if the candidate who claimed the platform of "Segregation Now. Segregation Tomorrow. Segregation Forever" had been elected President. That would be pulling the race card...

You would be generalizing. What the candiate is doing is a different story altogether. Try and organize your thoughts a little better.

I think I know what our problem in communication is here... to you, only liberals or Dems can "pull the race card" whereas conservatives only "take note of race thingies..."

You don't know where I stand politically, Mr. Label-other-people-without-knowing-shit-hypocrite-guy. And the only problem in communication is with you consistantly misunderstanding and generalizating - which can be defined by one person (the author of the article, or you for example) labelling an entire group, due to the actions of a few, regardless of what side of the political spectrum they align themselves with. You only have to be an idiot to do that, not a liberal or a conservative. Political parties aren't races. Stating all blacks are on crack is a racist generalization, just as stating "you won't hire me because I'm black" would be pulling the race card. Saying "they joyfully engage in racism" is a generalization. See the difference? Are we clear, now?

 

[red states rule]

You would be generalizing. What the candiate is doing is a different story altogether. Try and organize your thoughts a little better.






You don't know where I stand politically, Mr. Label-other-people-without-knowing-shit-hypocrite-guy. And the only problem in communication is with you consistantly misunderstanding and generalizating - which can be defined by one person (the author of the article, or you for example) labelling an entire group, due to the actions of a few, regardless of what side of the political spectrum they align themselves with. You only have to be an idiot to do that, not a liberal or a conservative. Political parties aren't races. Stating all blacks are on crack is a racist generalization, just as stating "you won't hire me because I'm black" would be pulling the race card. Saying "they joyfully engage in racism" is a generalization. See the difference? Are we clear, now?

OK Mr Hyper Sensitive Liberal, what I am saying is it is perfectly acceptable for liberals to attack conservative blacks but they go out of their way to look for racist comments about liberal blacks.
Does the name Trent Lott mean anything to you?
What did he say that was so racist?
Does it compare to any of the hate filled racist comment directed at Thomas, Rice, Steele, Powell, or other conservative blacks?

 

[jillian]

OK Mr Hyper Sensitive Liberal, what I am saying is it is perfectly acceptable for liberals to attack conservative blacks but they go out of their way to look for racist comments about liberal blacks.
Does the name Trent Lott mean anything to you?
What did he say that was so racist?
Does it compare to any of the hate filled racist comment directed at Thomas, Rice, Steele, Powell, or other conservative blacks?

The comments directed at Thomas and Rice are based on their actions, not their color. Isn't that what equality is? Judging people based on their merit. If I think Thomas is unqualified for the bench because of his proven lack of intellect, it has nothing to do with his color. If I say Alan Keys doesn't have a clue what he's talking about when he discusses Constitutional construction, that has nothing to do with his color.

Personally, I'd have voted for Colin Powell if he ran for President, so I'm not quite certain what you're referring to there.

As for Trent Lott.

 

[red states rule]

The head of the NAALCP (National Association for the Advancement of Liberal Colored People) called him a slave serving his master and a dummy sitting on his master lap

The comments directed at SC Justice Thomas and Sec of State Rice were because of their color and because they are not liberal blacks. If you are a black conservative you are a target from liberal blacks

Ms Rice has been called an Anut Jemima and a sellout. Justice Thomas has been called an Uncle Tom, a traitor to his race. Both have been depicted in "cartoons" in hatful and racist ways

It is all about their color and their conservative views

 

[jillian]

The head of the NAALCP (National Association for the Advancement of Liberal Colored People) called him a slave serving his master and a dummy sitting on his master lap

The comments directed at SC Justice Thomas and Sec of State Rice were because of their color and because they are not liberal blacks. If you are a black conservative you are a target from liberal blacks

Ms Rice has been called an Anut Jemima and a sellout. Justice Thomas has been called an Uncle Tom, a traitor to his race. Both have been depicted in "cartoons" in hatful and racist ways

It is all about their color and their conservative views

So if one person of a particular race is has an issue with another person of that race, seems to me it's not racism, but an internal issue. Now, were *I* to make a comment like that, yes, it would be racist. But I wouldn't do that. I'd just say that Thomas is an idiot who's asked perhaps one question during oral argument during his entire tenure on the Bench and hasn't written a single noteworthy decision, if he's written any. Nothing to do with the color of his skin.

 

[red states rule]

So if one person of a particular race is has an issue with another person of that race, seems to me it's not racism, but an internal issue. Now, were *I* to make a comment like that, yes, it would be racist. But I wouldn't do that. I'd just say that Thomas is an idiot who's asked perhaps one question during oral argument during his entire tenure on the Bench and hasn't written a single noteworthy decision, if any. Nothing to do with the color of his skin.

It is still racism no matter who says it

So since Justice Thomas does not ask any questions, he is an idiot? Or perhaps he does make make law from the bench but interprets the law is what has the left enraged.

Bill Cosby - hardly a conservative - is also fed up with the racist comments blacks make on blacks.

Also, it is alot of white libs making the racist comments. Elected white Dems as well.

 

[jillian]

It is still racism no matter who says it

So since Justice Thomas does not ask any questions, he is an idiot? Or perhaps he does make make law from the bench but interprets the law is what has the left enraged.

Bill Cosby - hardly a conservative - is also fed up with the racist comments blacks make on blacks.

Also, it is alot of white libs making the racist comments. Elected white Dems as well.

It can't be racist if it's said by someone of one's own race.

racist
adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
[syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite]
n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior
to others [syn: racialist]

And, no, Thomas is an idiot. Scalia has views that don't concur with mine, however, one can't fault him for lack of intelligence.

Perhaps you might want to try not calling people racists if they don't like someone who happens to have a particular skin color. I have lots of good reasons to dislike Thomas, and Condi, too, actually, but the color of their skin isn't one of them.

 

[insein]

What argument was he even trying to present? That Black Americans disagree amongst themselves? OK. Right on. I guess my response should have been, "uh, yeah, so what?"

I know it's tough for white conservatives to see Black Americans as a diverse group of people who **gasp** even bicker amongst themselves. What is amusing is that he is in AWE that Black Americans (or, in his mind, "those people") disagree on something.

In the meantime, :soul: <-- this guy isn't impressed.

I see "Black" Americans as a group that is pretty similar in idealism. Thats either from the economic status of most "Black" americans or the politics of race that have created this similarity. 90% (Presidential Election 2004) of "Black" Americans vote for Democratic candidates. This is the only ethnic group in the country that has a distinguished margin between ideals. All other minorities and whites have about at worst a 45 to 55 split in their ideals for politicians. This is because they feel that their ideals are best represented by Democratic leaders.

Democratic leaders use the politics of Race to divide the nation into "Black" vs "white", Poor vs Rich. They tell their constituents that the rich white people have what you want and won't give it to you. Thats why you need to vote for them and they'll take it from them and give it to you. This has been the Democratic standpoint for 50+ years now. Has the Black-American community gotten better or worse in that time frame? As far as equality of citizenship, they have gained immensely. In the quality of life, they have gained little. In the quality of education they have regressed.

The point is that Black-Americans vote as a group for a certain way of thinking. Sure you have 10% that don't agree with the rest, but 90% is an overwhelming majority. Until Black Americans can be educated on the ways to succeed in life then they will be prisoners of their own ignorance by being the lap dogs of those that cry Race for every foul that life hands them.

 

[red states rule]

It can't be racist if it's said by someone of one's own race.



And, no, Thomas is an idiot. Scalia has views that don't concur with mine, however, one can't fault him for lack of intelligence.

Perhaps you might want to try not calling people racists if they don't like someone who happens to have a particular skin color. I have lots of good reasons to dislike Thomas, and Condi, too, actually, but the color of their skin isn't one of them.

Justice Thomas is a brillant Justice and what you are saying is typical of the left. Since he sees no Constitutional reason for racial quotas and abortion he is an idiot

Liberals believe Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee are articulate geniuses but Justice Clarence Thomas, Dr. Alan Keyes and Dr. Walter Williams are dolts.

Baased on your own definition of racist ( a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior) most libserals have a huge superiority complex

 

[Said1]

OK Mr Hyper Sensitive Liberal, what I am saying is it is perfectly acceptable for liberals to attack conservative blacks but they go out of their way to look for racist comments about liberal blacks.
Does the name Trent Lott mean anything to you?
What did he say that was so racist?
Does it compare to any of the hate filled racist comment directed at Thomas, Rice, Steele, Powell, or other conservative blacks?

Why are you directing your ire at moi? Calling me a hyper sensitive liberal is a GROSS misinterpretation of everything I've written, on your part, as are the rest of the comments directed at my fine self. Plus, that would be MS. Hyper Sensitive Liber to you.

I'll give you a chance to apologize, then I must rip you a new one.

 

[Gunny]

What argument was he even trying to present? That Black Americans disagree amongst themselves? OK. Right on. I guess my response should have been, "uh, yeah, so what?"

I know it's tough for white conservatives to see Black Americans as a diverse group of people who **gasp** even bicker amongst themselves. What is amusing is that he is in AWE that Black Americans (or, in his mind, "those people") disagree on something.

In the meantime, :soul: <-- this guy isn't impressed.

Sorry for posting above your head. The underlying points of the argument appear simple to me.

Blacks bicker among themselves? You mean liberal-brainwashed blacks who parrot the Dem party line attack any and all blacks who dare break away from the brainscrew and (gasp!) attain success. Your atttempt to paint it as "blacks bickering among themselves" is pathetic.

Why blacks can't see how easily they are being used by the Dems for a pitiful handout is beyond me. The fact is, the blacks who are successful are the ones who get away from the likes of you and believing your smokescreens and pure bullshit.

 

[jillian]

Justice Thomas is a brillant Justice and what you are saying is typical of the left. Since he sees no Constitutional reason for racial quotas and abortion he is an idiot

Liberals believe Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee are articulate geniuses but Justice Clarence Thomas, Dr. Alan Keyes and Dr. Walter Williams are dolts.

Baased on your own definition of racist ( a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior) most libserals have a huge superiority complex

On what do you base your assessment that Thomas is a "brilliant Justice"?What decisions has he written/arguments he's made that impress you?

What about Keyes and company do you find intelligent other than the fact that you agree with them? Could you acknowledge the intellect of someone who has views that you find apalling like I just did with Scalia? Somehow, I'm not getting the impression that you could. I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

To me, a "brilliant Jurist" has to question during argument, as each of the other 8 Justices do, and/or write decisions that parse the law, analyze and guide the lower Courts. Thomas does neither. But I'm looking forward to your references to his "brilliance".

And, I'm not "typical" anything, but s'okay. Feel free to reduce people to stereotypes when you know nothing about them. And it's interesting how you ignored my comments about Scalia's intelligence since they don't comport with your view of what a "lib" is supposed to be. I also find it interesting that you give the titles of those people with whom you agree (Keyes/Williams) but disrespectfully leave out the titles of those who don't share your worldview (Waters/Jackson-Lee).

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It can't be racist if it's said by someone of one's own race.

Really? Dr. Rice would consider being called "Aunt Jemimah" by blacks as something other than a derogatory racial slur?

 

[jillian]

Really? Dr. Rice would consider being called "Aunt Jemimah" by blacks as something other than a derogatory racial slur?

She would find it derrogatory, for sure, and should. But she'd know the person saying it wasn't a racist. It's a different issue. Try looking at the definition of racism I posted. The issue is more subtle than that.

There has always been a division in the black community about things like this. But it isn't racist. It has to do with identifying with one's race/culture or doing things which are, or might be, perceived by the group to be dangerous to its self-interest.

 

[William Joyce]

Yeah... in the same way you agree with David Duke.

There's nothing more amusing to me than white people who think they have something worth saying in the political discourse between Black Americans. What is it about white folk that make them believe that they can somehow "fix" the arguments between Black Americans regarding politics... they really don't need you to referee for them or for you to be their mommy... they can handle themselves just fine.

The same white attitude that says blacks would make great slaves, suitable for utter and complete submergence of their humanity. Or, today, the same white attitude that says WE would make great slaves to blacks, suitable for the same submergence.

The truth about white people is that they cannot deal with black people as anything but total cartoon caricatures. They're either foul beasts to be dispatched with or heavenly geniuses to be worshipped. Of course, they are neither. They are slightly less intelligent human beings who don't belong in white societies, that's all.

But see the crazy crap that results when the two are mixed?

 

[jasendorf]

Hey ace,

Sorry to inform you of this but you are way over your head attempting to argue with that highly restrained lady we know as Kathianne. You think(?) you have her and this board in general figured out and yet you really couldn't be making a bigger mistake. Kathianne has been VERY kind to you jasendork(obviously her maternal instincts kicking in), you better go ahead and skip along to DU before you get your bvds ripped clean off the really bad way, get it kid?

She certainly doesn't need my help, I'm trying to pull you out of the proverbial line of fire before the daisy cutter gets dropped on your ass.

She baselessly says:

So you agree with Malvo. That's terrific.

And I'm supposed to be in awe? I'm supposed to suddenly bow or genuflect or something for THAT? Six words. Six whole words?


Well, maybe there is something awe inspiring in its simplicity, in its brevity, in its well-editted conciseness... I suppose...

 

[jasendorf]

The comments directed at Thomas and Rice are based on their actions, not their color. Isn't that what equality is? Judging people based on their merit. If I think Thomas is unqualified for the bench because of his proven lack of intellect, it has nothing to do with his color. If I say Alan Keys doesn't have a clue what he's talking about when he discusses Constitutional construction, that has nothing to do with his color.

Personally, I'd have voted for Colin Powell if he ran for President, so I'm not quite certain what you're referring to there.

As for Trent Lott.

This board obviously doesn't need me. Jillian is spot on.

Why do people have trouble discerning the difference between the phrases "she looks like a ghetto slut" and "he's unqualified for the USSC"?