Zone1 Which prophesies do Jews accept for the coming Messiah in the OT?

[Libby von H]

You erroneously interpret those passages literally. There's a lot of symbolism in the Hebrew Bible, apocalyptic, hyperbolic language, that is entirely metaphysical in nature. The fulfillment of God's plan for all of humanity is consummated in the Jew who split time 2000 years ago and set the world on fire for the God of Israel. The Gentiles went from worshiping false gods to worship the God of Israel and His Son. Those who claim to be Jews today or Israelites, and reject Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha'Mashiach, Ben Yoseph), on the grounds he supposedly didn't fulfill or meet the carnal, mundane expectations of rabbinic Judaism, are in error. They've anti-Christ/anti-Messiah and anti-humanity in general. Zionist, anti-Christ Jews are going to cause a high degree of chaos in the world, and that's what's going to spark the return of Jesus.

Jesus will return to save the world from the anti-Christ system and values, promoted and established by Zionist "Jewry".

Whatever...I send such questioners to people like Rabbi Zolli, the Chief Rabbi of Rome, who converted after Jesus manifested Himserlf to him
" As Chief Rabbi of Rome, this sincere man had offered himself as a hostage to the Nazi forces then occupying the city if they would release several hundred of his fellow Jews."

 

[Libby von H]

Yes I agree traditional Christians, in the dark ages of popes, completely lost their connection to god. The religion is no longer authentic. Bible heavily edited.

I came to the same conclusion Joseph smith came to. Only I’m not a con man so I didn’t start a new religion.

I put him in the same category I put slick reverends, ministers and priests who know it’s a racket and cash in. All the frauds on tv.

I wish the religious channels had a Mormon show.

What is most stupid in your train of irrational rants is to say "

Bible heavily edited."

So that shows you are strictly Sola Scriptura and Private Interpretation
Ex-Lutheran maybe.
Editing went on for 1000 years, and there were several versions. So who doesn't know this. I taught Bible and your view is usually mocked even by teenage boys.

 

[ActionJackson]

As a Christian, pretty much all prophesies about the coming Messiah are shot down by those of the Jewish faith as not really being about the Messiah.

So, the question begs, which ones do they accept as being about the coming Messiah?

Does anyone have a list?

I assume there are some since they believe in a coming Messiah.

The Ashkenazi, Khazar Jews don't give two hoots about Jesus Christ. I don't give two hoots what they think or believe. Read the Bible and trust in God and leave non-believers to their biblical fate.

John 3:18, “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

 

[sealybobo]

What is most stupid in your train of irrational rants is to say "

So that shows you are strictly Sola Scriptura and Private Interpretation
Ex-Lutheran maybe.
Editing went on for 1000 years, and there were several versions. So who doesn't know this. I taught Bible and your view is usually mocked even by teenage boys.

Teenage boy believers? So experts. Deep thinkers. Got it.

 

[Meriweather]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Figure it out...if you can.

 

[rosends]

From annihilation. In your religion, do you have an afterlife? What allows you to be saved from destruction?

you are asking me for what Judaism proposes is done to "save" people from something that only exists in a Christian text?

If you want to learn about the Jewish concept of death and afterlife then you should work on asking questions, not proposing things that are irrelevant to Judaism and measuring against that non-existent standard.

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[AsherN]

And they are wrong because they embrace only HALF the truth. The OT points directly to a suffering Messiah, His death, and His bodily resurrection.

No, it does not. That is manipulations and mistranslations injected after the fact. If you read Tanak in Hebrew, in its entirety, understanding context, you see a lot of man-wife, father-son imagery for the relationship between G-d and Israel. That's the texts that Christian take out of context and try to superimpose Jesus on. That is wrong.

 

[DudleySmith]

As a Christian, pretty much all prophesies about the coming Messiah are shot down by those of the Jewish faith as not really being about the Messiah.

So, the question begs, which ones do they accept as being about the coming Messiah?

Does anyone have a list?

I assume there are some since they believe in a coming Messiah.

The racist Hasidim and ultra=Orthodox cults have followed many 'Messiahs' over the centuries. The Hasidim are a cult that started in the 18th century as followers some nutjob 'Messiah' and their most recent 'Messiah' was some weird crazy loon of a Rabbi from NYC named 'Schneerson' or something.

The Bar Kokbha Revolt was led by a 'Messiah' they thought was going to defeat Rome after the second Temple scam folded, but of course it failed even worse than the first revolt. There are several more cults claiming to be 'Jewish' but almost none, outside of the 'Conservative' Jews, that have any real connection with the Judaism of Moses and the pre-Ezra Babylonian scam.

Conservative Jews make up maybe 10% of those claiming to be Jews, mostly in America, and a few Reformed Synagogues might come close, but the majority of 'Jews' these days are derived from post Christian cults, not the Judaism of the OT. Few have any genetic relation to them either, maybe 10% or so of Sephardi. Your average Baptist is more Jewish theologically than the majority of those claiming to be Jews.

 

[GMCGeneral]

No, it does not. That is manipulations and mistranslations injected after the fact. If you read Tanak in Hebrew, in its entirety, understanding context, you see a lot of man-wife, father-son imagery for the relationship between G-d and Israel. That's the texts that Christian take out of context and try to superimpose Jesus on. That is wrong.

Actually, yes it does. G-d conveyed His written word not just in Hebrew, but Aramaic and Koine Greek. The NT, contrary to your Pharasaical interpretation, is just as inspired as the OT.

 

[AsherN]

Actually, yes it does. G-d conveyed His written word not just in Hebrew, but Aramaic and Koine Greek. The NT, contrary to your Pharasaical interpretation, is just as inspired as the OT.

Hebrew and Aramaic. None of the Prophets wrote in Koine Greek. You do what you want with your NT. But when you start taking Tanak out oof context and using bad translations to interject Jesus where he does not exist, is where we take umbrage.

 

[TruthNotBS]

you are asking me for what Judaism proposes is done to "save" people from something that only exists in a Christian text?

If you want to learn about the Jewish concept of death and afterlife then you should work on asking questions, not proposing things that are irrelevant to Judaism and measuring against that non-existent standard.

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That's what I'm doing. I'm here on a discussion board, asking an Orthodox Jew, a question about salvation. In Christianity, we are saved from our sins, from being separated from God, from being spiritually dead, and returning to the dust forever. A death without recourse or resurrection.

You ignore the fact that through one man, the first Adam, we were consigned to corruption and death. We are born into corruption due to the failure of one man, and it's perfectly consistent with that fact, as Christianity asserts that we should be redeemed through another man. The disobedience and rebellion of one man, who essentially damned us to disease and death, requires the perfect obedience and submission of a second man, who essentially "saves us" from the consequences of the failure of the first Adam.

Our religion is consistent, yours apparently isn't.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Whatever...I send such questioners to people like Rabbi Zolli, the Chief Rabbi of Rome, who converted after Jesus manifested Himserlf to him
" As Chief Rabbi of Rome, this sincere man had offered himself as a hostage to the Nazi forces then occupying the city if they would release several hundred of his fellow Jews."

When did I say that all unbelieving Jews are evil and can't be saved by Jesus Christ, if they repent and turn to Him? Indeed Jews can be saved in Jesus Crist.

 

[rosends]

That's what I'm doing.

Eventually, so there's that.

You ignore the fact that through one man, the first Adam, we were consigned to corruption and death.

You ignore that because of the acts of more than one person, we are mortal and that isn't going to change. Judaism doesn't see that we are born into corruption so we don't understand why anyone needs to be saved in that sense. Your religion invents a problem so it can claim a solution. Judaism doesn't see that problem. We are mortal. That's the reality. The biblical text is clear about how we have to be responsible to God and repent for our own actions and don't get "saved" by another human being. If you want to rely on another human, you do that.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Eventually, so there's that.

You ignore that because of the acts of more than one person, we are mortal and that isn't going to change. Judaism doesn't see that we are born into corruption so we don't understand why anyone needs to be saved in that sense. Your religion invents a problem so it can claim a solution. Judaism doesn't see that problem. We are mortal. That's the reality. The biblical text is clear about how we have to be responsible to God and repent for our own actions and don't get "saved" by another human being. If you want to rely on another human, you do that.

How is it that you claim we are not in a state of corruption by the failure of the first Adam? Adam and Eve our first parents ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and as a result, we are now barred from the Tree of Life and Gan Eden. All of the pain and suffering of this world, is due to that initial mishap or mistake made by our first parents. The Ramchal in Derech Hashem, speaks of the corruption of creation and how the suffering of the Tzadick Gadol, the High Righteous One, who is superior to other righteous people (hence the word "Gadol"), is able to purge creation of all of its corruption from the very beginning of creation, through his suffering.

Do you actually deny the fact that in the Bible the first Adam's disobedience caused a cosmic catastrophe? Adam named the animals, all life, giving them their natures. So Adam being the head of creation, created in the image of God, corrupted that life and this physical world, through his disobedience. We need a new head, a new leader for our souls, and that is the Messiah. The Jew who split time, Yehoshua Ben Yoseph. He goes to the heart of the matter, his redemption begins at the soul level, before it translates into politics, or a social order. The corrupted soul or heart has to be reconnected to God. The mission of the savior or second Adam, is to restore creation, similar to what the Ramchal says about the Tzadick Gadol, who purifies creation with his suffering.

Salvation is the rebirth of the fallen, disconnected soul to YHWH God. A type of spiritual resurrection, through faith or a binding or tying of the heart to Messiah's heart. We trust Yehoshua, the salvation of YHWH, and He leads us into the promise land. The land of milk and honey is Gan Eden. We move from Egypt, the wilderness, into eternity. We are reborn in YHWH through His Messiah, Yehoshua (The Salvation Of YHWH - That's what Yehoshua means). Through one man, the first Adam, we are consigned, forced into, the grave, without recourse. The second Adam, the Messiah, defeats death and sparks the resurrection through His righteous life and suffering. He lays down His life for all of humanity hence He is the Jew Who Split Time (BC - AD). The Glory Of Israel, the Lion of Judah, the one the nations seek. He unites humanity in faith. Emunah.

You can continue keeping Shaboos, all of the feast days..etc, which are fulfilled in Yehoshua. You can continue being Jewish. The Messiah will actually infuse your observance with the Holy Spirit and you will become the Tabernacle, the Temple of YHWH. The Holy Spirit or Ruach HaKodesh, will fill you, and grant you the gifts and power to serve Him and keep your heavenly Father's commandments. Yehoshua will save you from death and through you He will save many.

 

[ding]

How is it that you claim we are not in a state of corruption by the failure of the first Adam?

Maybe from a literal reading but not from an allegorical reading.

 

[Meriweather]

How is it that you claim we are not in a state of corruption by the failure of the first Adam?

Perhaps see it a little less harshly. When a person breaks an arm, they are injured, damaged even, but not corrupt. They are merely prevented from complete use of that arm.

In disobeying God, we broke our connection with God and disrupted His original plans for us. Those original plans did include labor and they included rest/leisure. The plan also included love. It seems that the quality of our love for our fellow man was the most damaged, and that we let things of this world stand in the way of our pure love of God.

Injury requires healing, and God has sent us both healing and redemption.

As Christians, our Baptism is our reaching back to God, of our own announcement to strive for obedience with the confidence God will forgive our failures when we turn away from those failures.

Within the Old Testament we can clearly see God reaching out for His people, and His people making great effort to reach back. A corrupt person does not do this, but the injured do. They greatly accept assistance offered.

 

[AsherN]

How is it that you claim we are not in a state of corruption by the failure of the first Adam? Adam and Eve our first parents ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and as a result, we are now barred from the Tree of Life and Gan Eden. All of the pain and suffering of this world, is due to that initial mishap or mistake made by our first parents. The Ramchal in Derech Hashem, speaks of the corruption of creation and how the suffering of the Tzadick Gadol, the High Righteous One, who is superior to other righteous people (hence the word "Gadol"), is able to purge creation of all of its corruption from the very beginning of creation, through his suffering.

Do you actually deny the fact that in the Bible the first Adam's disobedience caused a cosmic catastrophe? Adam named the animals, all life, giving them their natures. So Adam being the head of creation, created in the image of God, corrupted that life and this physical world, through his disobedience. We need a new head, a new leader for our souls, and that is the Messiah. The Jew who split time, Yehoshua Ben Yoseph. He goes to the heart of the matter, his redemption begins at the soul level, before it translates into politics, or a social order. The corrupted soul or heart has to be reconnected to God. The mission of the savior or second Adam, is to restore creation, similar to what the Ramchal says about the Tzadick Gadol, who purifies creation with his suffering.

Salvation is the rebirth of the fallen, disconnected soul to YHWH God. A type of spiritual resurrection, through faith or a binding or tying of the heart to Messiah's heart. We trust Yehoshua, the salvation of YHWH, and He leads us into the promise land. The land of milk and honey is Gan Eden. We move from Egypt, the wilderness, into eternity. We are reborn in YHWH through His Messiah, Yehoshua (The Salvation Of YHWH - That's what Yehoshua means). Through one man, the first Adam, we are consigned, forced into, the grave, without recourse. The second Adam, the Messiah, defeats death and sparks the resurrection through His righteous life and suffering. He lays down His life for all of humanity hence He is the Jew Who Split Time (BC - AD). The Glory Of Israel, the Lion of Judah, the one the nations seek. He unites humanity in faith. Emunah.

You can continue keeping Shaboos, all of the feast days..etc, which are fulfilled in Yehoshua. You can continue being Jewish. The Messiah will actually infuse your observance with the Holy Spirit and you will become the Tabernacle, the Temple of YHWH. The Holy Spirit or Ruach HaKodesh, will fill you, and grant you the gifts and power to serve Him and keep your heavenly Father's commandments. Yehoshua will save you from death and through you He will save many.

You see Adam's action as a failure. We see it as a test of free will. and we passed. Also, we don't see all mankind descended from Adam. Cain and Abel leave and find wives. There were other people. the story af Adam and Eve is an allegory.

And how magnanimous of you to let us keep our faith and traditions.

 

[rosends]

How is it that you claim we are not in a state of corruption by the failure of the first Adam? Adam and Eve our first parents ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and as a result, we are now barred from the Tree of Life and Gan Eden. All of the pain and suffering of this world, is due to that initial mishap or mistake made by our first parents. The Ramchal in Derech Hashem, speaks of the corruption of creation and how the suffering of the Tzadick Gadol, the High Righteous One, who is superior to other righteous people (hence the word "Gadol"), is able to purge creation of all of its corruption from the very beginning of creation, through his suffering.

Bolded section is actually, not true. Nor does the Ramchal say what you claim. Show me

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Do you actually deny the fact that in the Bible the first Adam's disobedience caused a cosmic catastrophe?

yup.

So Adam being the head of creation,

Adam was not the head of creation. God is.

We need a new head, a new leader for our souls, and that is the Messiah.

That's not at all what the messiah is. Since you don't even understand the purpose of the future messiah (as opposed to all the past ones) you can't really assign the purpose to any person. And since you aren't commanded to do things like observe the holidays and such, your claim that the obligations are fulfilled is meaningless. You have no obligation.

 

[ding]

You see Adam's action as a failure. We see it as a test of free will. and we passed. Also, we don't see all mankind descended from Adam. Cain and Abel leave and find wives. There were other people. the story af Adam and Eve is an allegory.

And how magnanimous of you to let us keep our faith and traditions.

I believe the main point of the account wasn't the disobedience of Adam and Eve, it was Adam's and Eve's failure to take accountability. There are so many subtle truths included in that account. The meanings have been lost through time.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You see Adam's action as a failure. We see it as a test of free will. and we passed. Also, we don't see all mankind descended from Adam. Cain and Abel leave and find wives. There were other people. the story af Adam and Eve is an allegory.

And how magnanimous of you to let us keep our faith and traditions.

rosends​

In the beginning, before Abel and Cain married women (perhaps hundreds of years after the events in the Garden of Eden, according to the text or allegory itself), Adam (the original head of humanity) and Eve (the mother of life) disobeyed God and died spiritually and physically (they were disconnected from YHWH God). The day Adam ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, he died.

Gen 2:16 And YHWH God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

His connection or relationship with God was severed and severely compromised, essentially entering the natural, space-time continuum of the Tree he consumed fruit from. Adam's thoughts and behavior, initiated the brutal process of humanity's test and "BootCamp" in the darkness and toil of the physical, mortal realm, where principles are lived and souls flesh out and actualize their values and relationship with YHWH, their heavenly Father.

The tree or network of the knowledge of good and evil. Behold the many branches of the brain and cosmos, they resemble and reflect each other, for they are as one. Within the physical realm, there is the form of all forms, which allows a being to exercise dominion over the material realm. This bodily, material form is part of the " divine image" given to Adam:

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Gen 5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

JPS - JEWISH PUBLICATION SOCIETY BIBLE:
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Psa 8:5 (8:6) Yet Thou hast made him but little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.

Hebrew:​

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  "מעט מאלהים" (me'at me'Elohim)

In this context:

• "מעט" (me'at) translates to "a little" or "but little."
• "מאלהים" (me'Elohim) translates to "than the angels" in the JPS translation, but literally, it means "than God" or "than gods."

So, in a more literal translation, "מעט מאלהים" (me'at me'Elohim) would be "a little lower than the gods, instead of "a little lower than the angels." This difference is significant in theological discussions about the nature and status of humanity in relation to the divine. The angels are immortal, luminous, divine humanoid beings, under the authority of YHWH, their heavenly Father and Creator. YHWH Tzabaoth is one with His Tzabaoth. They are as One. They function as One. YHWH is fully invested in His angels or Tzabaoth, the Bnai Elohim (those of the category or class of Elohim a.k.a. "Sons Of God"/Children of God). The Messiah prayed:

Joh 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the honor which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: (23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The Messiah, Yehoshua, allows all human beings, regardless of their nationality, ethnicity, or pedigree, to become one with YHWH and join His immortal Tzabaoth based upon emunah/faith:

Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Heb_2:9 But we see Yahshua (The Messiah), who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with dignity and honour; that he by the grace of YHWH should taste death for every man.

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Rabbi Kaduri died in February of 2006.

His funeral in Jerusalem, 20,000 people attended.​

About five months before his death, the rabbi wrote something on a note and ordered that the envelope remain sealed until a year after his death. Everyone wondered about this, but his wishes were honored. When the note was finally read, it took the readers (all kabbalists) about 20 seconds to figure it out. Here is what the note said, originally in Hebrew.

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“He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.

This I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri”

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Following is a quote from Israel Today’s article dated April 30, 2007:

“The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim"

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Yehoshua/Yeshua. The Mashiach's Name is "YHWH's Salvation" or "YHWH Saves".

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The following is from the text “Derech Hashem” (The Way of God) by Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto (RaMChaL). Derech Hashem is a systematic exposition of Torah fundamentals explaining basic beliefs regarding the existence of God and His purpose in creation. The Ramchal writes:

EMPHASIS MINE

" The rule that the Community of the Future World [Olam Haba] is restricted only to those who attained perfection in their own right is not absolute. For it was also decreed that an individual can reach a level where he can partake of perfection and be included in the Community as the result of his association with a more worthy individual. The only difference is that he will remain on a lower level, since he is not included in the Community in his own right, but only through the association of another.[1]

The only ones who are cast aside completely from perfection, therefore, are those who are not worthy of it at all, neither through their own merit nor through the association with another. Because of this, the number who are saved from annihilation and allowed the ultimate bliss is maximized.

Those who cause others to partake in the World-to-Come will definitely be the foremost in the Community. They will be the leaders, while those who enter by virtue of their association with them will be beholden and dependent on them.

In order for this to be possible, all men were originally bound to each other, as our Sages teach us, “All Israel are responsible for one another.”[2] As a result of this, each individual is bound to everyone else, and no man is counted separately. Hashem’s Attribute of Good is the stronger, however, and if the guilt for sin is shared by others, this must certainly be true of the merit associated with good deeds.

1Co 15:20-26 (19) But now is the Messiah risen from the dead, and has become the first fruits of them who slept (in the grave). (21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. (22) For as in Adam all die, even so in the Messiah shall all be made alive. (23) But every man in his own order: the Messiah the firstfruits; afterward they that are the Messiah's at his coming. (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to Elohim, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Rom_5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Yehoshua Ha'Mashiach, by whom we have now received the atonement.

As a result of this principle, suffering and pain may be imposed on a tzaddik ( righteous person) as an atonement for his entire generation.[3] This tzaddik must then accept this suffering with love for the benefit of his generation, just as he accepts the suffering imposed on him for his own sake. In doing so, he benefits his generation by atoning for it, and at the same time, is himself elevated to a very great degree. For a tzaddik such as this is made into one of the leaders in the Community of the Future World, as discussed earlier.

Such suffering also includes cases where a tzaddik suffers because his entire generation deserves great punishments, bordering on annihilation, but is spared via the tzaddik’s suffering. In atoning for his generations, through his suffering, this tzaddik saves these people in this world, and als greatly benefits them in the World-to-Come.

In addition, there is a special, higher type of suffering that comes to a tzaddik who is even greater and more perfected than the ones discussed above. This suffering comes to provide the help necessary to bring about the chain of events leading to the ultimate perfection of mankind as a whole.

The special, unique, tzadik of a higher rank than the previously mentioned righteous one, triggers or is the catalyst of a divinely ordained and supported process that leads to the ultimate redemption of all of mankind.

According to the original plan, the sequence of worldly events required that man undergo at least some suffering before both he and the world could attain perfection. This was required by the very fact that one of the basic concepts of man’s predicament was that Hashem should hold back His Light and hide His Presence. This became all the more necessary as a result of the corruption and spiritual damage caused by man’s many sins, which held the good back even more and caused Hashem’s presence to become all the more hidden. The world and everything in it are therefore in a degraded evil state, and require that Hashem’s unfathomable wisdom bring about numerous chains of events to achieve their rectification.

Among the most important elements of this sequence is the requirement that man be punished for his wickedness until the Attribute of Justice is satisfied. Hashem arranged matters, however, so that select perfect individuals could rectify things for others, as discussed earlier. The Attribute of Justice therefore relates to them rather than to the rest of the world in general.

Individuals such as these, however, are themselves perfect, and are therefore worthy only of good. The only reason that they suffer is because of other, and the Attribute of Justice must therefore be as satisfied with a small amount of suffering on their part as with a large amount on the part of those who actually sinned.

Beyond that, the merit and power of these tzaddikim is also increased because of such suffering, and this gives them even greater ability to rectify the damage of others. They can therefore not only rectify their own generation, but can also correct all of the spiritual damage done from the beginning, from the time of the very first sinners.

It is obvious that individuals such as these will ultimately be the foremost leaders in the Perfected Community, and the ones who are the very closest to Hashem.[4]

All this is not only the result of justice, but also follows from the actual order of things. As a result of man’s sins, corruption is increased and incorporated into both man and the world. This in turn causes Hashem’s Light to be increasingly retracted and hidden. The more that this corruption is cleansed, on the other hand, and the more people that are purified of it, the more Hashem’s Light is once again revealed, step by step.

Suffering is the thing that Hashem created to cleanse the pollution, both in general and in particular. Thus, through the suffering of these select individuals, creation in general is cleansed, and step by step the world is brought closer to perfection.[5]

Rom 6:2-11 May that never be so How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Yahshua the Messiah were baptized into his death? (4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as the Messiah was raised up from the dead by the majesty of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: (6) Knowing this, that our old man is impaled with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (7) For he that is dead is freed from sin. (8) Now if we be dead with the Messiah, we believe that we shall also live with him: (9) Knowing that the Messiah being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. (10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto Elohim. (11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto Elohim through Yahshua the Messiah our Master.

The primary mission of the Messiah isn't to establish a worldly, political power, but rather to transform the heart of man, reconnecting humanity to God, through the laying down of His perfect, sinless life, rising from the dead, and "paying the ransom" of divine justice. Yehoshua was genuinely perfect and sinless, hence death had no authority over him, unlike the first Adam who sinned against YHWH and was overcome by death.

The anti-Missionaries will assert that what I just described above is "pagan" or alien to Judaism. That's a disingenuous objection at best in light of what you just read in the Ramchal's Derech Hashem. That's essentially what we believe as disciples of the Messiah.

Israel Today, Monday, April 30, 2007 Israel Today - News & Commentary. Stay Informed, Pray Informed.

" Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi Kaduri's manuscripts (the 108 year old rabbi previously mentioned), written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages.

But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were “signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the “signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams."

The Messiah was martyred on the TAV for our sins (our corruption, our fallen state):

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וַיֹּ֤אמֶר יְהוָה֙ [אלו] אֵלָ֔יו* עֲבֹר֙ בְּת֣וֹךְ הָעִ֔יר בְּת֖וֹךְ יְרֽוּשָׁלִָ֑ם וְהִתְוִ֨יתָ תָּ֜ו עַל־מִצְח֣וֹת הָאֲנָשִׁ֗ים הַנֶּֽאֱנָחִים֙ וְהַנֶּ֣אֱנָקִ֔ים עַ֚ל כָּל־הַתּ֣וֹעֵב֔וֹת הַֽנַּעֲשׂ֖וֹת בְּתוֹכָֽהּ׃

wayyōmɛr YHWH ʾēlå̄w ʿăḇōr bəṯōḵ hå̄ʿīr bəṯōḵ yərūšå̄lå̄yim wəhiṯwīṯå̄ tå̄w ʿal-miṣḥōṯ hå̄ʾănå̄šīm hannɛʾɛ̆nå̄ḥīm wəhannɛʾɛ̆nå̄qīm ʿal kål-hattōʿēḇōṯ hannaʿăśōṯ bəṯōḵå̄h

YHWH said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, even through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst.” NASB

I've put the key bit in bold: it says (fairly) literally "put a taw on the foreheads...".

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The Messiah poured out His life upon the TAV/Cross in order to save humanity. He is Yehoshua, the salvation of YHWH (the resurrection and the life).

The Messiah's burial shroud:

The King of Kings, Lord of Lords, The Lion of Judah, and the Jew Who Split Time (BC-AD).





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjN67FGFvbI


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