CDZ Which political party is the party of the KKK?

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Which Party is the party of the KKK

  1. Neither party is the party of the KKK- its all partisan BS

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  2. Martin Luther King Jr. was right- the GOP is the party of the KKK

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  3. The Democratic Party is- after all 150 years ago some Democrats may have been involved.

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  4. Both parties are the parties of the KKK

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    My opinion: Neither party is the party of the KKK- this is just partisan bullshit. Both parties reject the KKK- no party endorses any KKK members for anything.

    There is at least a few threads a week by right wing nut jobs trying to label the Democratic Party the party of the KKK- based upon some rather dubious claims from 150 years ago.

    Countering that is the claim by Martin Luther King Jr. that the GOP in 1964 pivoted to appeal to racists and the radical right wing becoming the party of the KKK. That of course was over 50 years ago.

    The fact is that members of the KKK historically have belonged to both the Democratic and Republican Parties- and the fact is that it is easy to find examples to scream 'racist-racist' for both parties.

    But neither party is the party of the KKK. African Americans have by a large degree moved from the GOP Party to the Democratic Party in the last 70 years. Meanwhile, there are conservative African Americans who have chosen the GOP.

    I presume that all of those voters make as intelligent decisions as I make- and therefore none of those millions of African Americans have decided that their party is the party of the KKK.

    And old white dudes telling them that their party is the party of the KKK is essentially racist in nature- that they know better than African Americans do.

    In other threads, I have made a point of posting MLK Jr's remarks declaring the GOP of 1964 becoming the party of the KKK- to counter the BS claims that the Democrats are the party of the KKK.

    I do not actually believe either party is the party of the KKK- but if anyone insists that the Democrats are, because of what happened 150 years ago- I will point out that Martin Luther King Jr. considered the GOP to have moved to becoming the party of the KKK.

    It is not really a surprise that those who claim the Democrats are the party of the KKK, also tend to consider President Obama to be a racist, and generally despise Martin Luther King Jr.
     
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    There's nothing dubious about the KKK being Democrats. It's a historical fact. That doesn't mean today and it doesn't mean they are the long lost love child of the GOP. The KKK, Hilter, Nazis, fascism is just noise. Like golden showers on a flat rock.
     
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    Yeah I know this myth as well as anybody. The Klan has never been a political organization. At its founding the six ex-soldiers (who started it as nothing more than an innocuous social club) specifically tried to avoid political connotations. And its re-founder Simmons who rekindled a much bigger Klan in 1915 after four decades dormant, described it as "the most powerful, secret, non-political organization in existence" (The Fiery Cross p. 151).

    Even when that Klan started to dabble in politics in the 1920s, it supported, or opposed, either Democrats or Republicans depending on what worked in its interests in that time and place. In the South, which was one-party Democratic, politicians affiliated with or supported by the Klan were commonly Democrats, while in New England, the Midwest and West, they were commonly Republicans. Which means both the pro-and anit-Klan forces were the same; Klan Democrats in the South were opposed by other Democrats, and Klan Republicans in Maine were opposed by other Republicans. They even got a mayor elected in Detroit who had no party at all. Whatever worked.
     
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    No it is not "historical fact". If it were "historical fact" there would be some kind of documentation of it, somewhere.

    There isn't.

    There is however plenty of documentation on who founded it, where and when and why they did so. And none of it refers to any kind of politics.
     
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    LOL.

    The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Ku Klux Klan | PBS
    The Ku Klux Klan was formed as a social club by a group of Confederate Army veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee in the winter of 1865-66. The group adopted the name Ku Klux Klan from the Greek word "kyklos," meaning circle, and the English word clan.

    In the summer of 1867, the Klan became the "Invisible Empire of the South" at a convention in Nashville, Tennessee attended by delegates from former Confederate states. The group was presided over General Nathan Bedford Forrest, who is believed to have been the first Grand Wizard -- the title for the head of the organization. Lesser officers were given such names as Grand Dragon, Grand Titan, and Grand Cyclops.

    Dressed in robes and sheets, intended to prevent identification by the occupying federal troops (and supposedly designed to frighten blacks), the Klan quickly became a terrorist organization in service of the Democratic Party and white supremacy.
     
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    Technically, it was the Dem party. But I agree with your opinion OP.
     
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    It's right there in the first line --- "formed as a social club by a group of Confederate Army veterans". Want their names? Again?

    • Capt. John B. Kennedy
    • Capt. John Lester
    • James Crowe
    • Frank McCord
    • Richard Reed
    • Calvin Jones

    NONE had any known political affiliation or activity. Nor would they be likely to --- they were all in their twenties at the time.

    By 1867 those six were long gone, the concept having spread to various vigilante groups around the area who were already active even before the Civil War, as "slave patrols" (a/k/a "night riders" or "regulators") who were a kind of self-appointed vigilante police force. Moreover when such elements organized in any kind of formality there were at least two dozen of them. I can list them too, and already have. These elements were what the Klan became -- but the original six had nothing to do with it.

    1867 was when they organized (in Nashville) and came up with the 'white supremacy' mission. The original founders had no such concept.
     
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    No, it wasn't. There's no evidence the six founders had any political affiliation at all. For that matter there's also no evidence that Simmons, who started the 1915 Klan, had any either.

    To the main point of the OP ---- if the Klan can be said to have any political party forebear it would be the Know Nothings of the 1840s-1850s, who were staunch anti-immigrant nativists. And violent. Their rallying cry of "100% Americanism" was picked up verbatim by the much larger Klan of the 20th century.
     
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    Dressed in robes and sheets, intended to prevent identification by the occupying federal troops (and supposedly designed to frighten blacks), the Klan quickly became a terrorist organization in service of the Democratic Party and white supremacy.
     
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