Which is worse

[BuckToothMoron]

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

Which is worse? Really?

A foreign government meddling in our democratic process to elect the highest official in the world that best serves THEIR interests or.......there is no or. That is worse than whatever bullshit your corporate masters are telling you to "think".

Wrong, so wrong. Every strategist and leader will tell you that the inside job is always more diabolical because you don’t see it coming and it means you have to clean your own house before you can defend it.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I love these threads where the OP basically admits that Russia was/is indeed meddling but it's ok because "something else was also happening" that is probably worse in some way.

Has anybody ever disputed that Russia was meddling?

 

[Care4all]

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

So you're ok with Russia deciding who is president of the United States?

Would you be if they had weighed in on Clinton's side?

Of course not.

the Russians created the fake dossier, the Russians paid the Clinton foundation 145 million, the Russians got 20% of our uranium from Hillary, and you claim the Russians wanted Trump? are you fricken crazy? The Russians are laughing at all of us right now, they just wanted to create turmoil and mistrust in this country, and they did.

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

So you're ok with Russia deciding who is president of the United States?

Would you be if they had weighed in on Clinton's side?

Of course not.

the Russians created the fake dossier, the Russians paid the Clinton foundation 145 million, the Russians got 20% of our uranium from Hillary, and you claim the Russians wanted Trump? are you fricken crazy? The Russians are laughing at all of us right now, they just wanted to create turmoil and mistrust in this country, and they did.

We KNOW Putin wanted Trump. That's not in contention by anyone but Trump (and by extension his cult members). Putin interfered in our election to hurt Hillary and help Trump.

Senate intelligence leaders: Russians schemed to help Trump I

more bullshit. Putin owned Hillary, he had tons of material on her to use to blackmail her into doing his bidding (including her 30,000 missing emails). He had nothing on Trump and Trump is taking him on on every front.

your small mind has been poisoned by left wing media lies.

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

You are bat sh*t crazy or just the most dishonest person next to Trump, in the whole wide world.

Putin was not in bed with Clinton.

Putin did not want Hillary as President, he wanted Trump as President.

The Russians did NOT create the Dossier

the FBI did not begin their investigation in to Russian interference in our election process because of the Dossier.

Regardless the dossier field notes of Steele, several aspects of it and in it, have been PROVEN TRUE.

The Senate intel committee, in their investigation ALSO shows that Putin did not want Hillary to win, Putin worked hard, in a comprehensive plan, to get Trump elected.

The Trump campaign worked with Russians in many different aspects of their interference, to get Trump elected....

 

[Valerie]

I'd say the internal intelligence agencies working to influence the election is worse, because they have spy tools.

The alleged "free press" are certainly doing all they can for the Democrat party, as well.

see how you conflated "internal intelligence agencies" with the Democrat party?

THAT is fake news.

the proof of "influence" (or lack there of) is in the WINNING (or lack there of).

 

[Care4all]

I'd say the internal intelligence agencies working to influence the election is worse, because they have spy tools.

The alleged "free press" are certainly doing all they can for the Democrat party, as well.

No one in our intelligence agencies used their tools to influence the election. Not a PEEP was leaked by them during the election run up about the Trump/Russian campaign coordination....

And honestly, are you nuts?

Are you actually claiming the Russian government did not use their spy tools to influence our election? Or implying the Russians do not have spy tools?

 

[Valerie]

EVERY country tries to "influence" elections in other countries.

yes, they do and always have. but not all countries have their own intelligence services trying to influence an election.

fake news straight from the russian troll farm ^

fake news fit to line a parrot cage!



warranted surveillance of russian spies was never about teflon don until team trump was caught red-handed lying about their communications with KGB.

our intelligence agencies were desperately trying NOT to influence the election which is why they did not announce the investigation during the campaign.

the public wouldn't have even known about the ongoing investigation if the guilty parties hadn't tipped the story in rabid self defense...

team traitor thought winning the presidency would place them above the law, they thought they could just employ KGB fake news tactics and attack the "deep state" boogeyman and get away with their conspiracy against the USA.

 

[Valerie]

boy was donny-liddle-hands pissed when AG sessions was forced to recuse himself cuz he got caught lying about his russian contacts and flynn got caught lying to the FBI about his russian contacts...

that was all the deep states fault for "leaking" the truth to the American people.

damn those deep state intelligence agencies for aspiring to truth and justice.

what a conspiracy!

 

[Edgetho]

Putin HATED Ubercunt. Hated her/it. And for good reason

This was written months before the scabby, crusted old scrunt lost the election to President of The United States of America, Donald J Trump.......

You people (I use the word advisedly) really should get some news from sources other than Comedy Central --

Why Putin hates Hillary

Whether Putin genuinely believed that Clinton was plotting his overthrow is another question. But he has repeatedly criticized the U.S. for “regime change” policies that have toppled authoritarians in other countries, including Iraq and Libya, that Clinton supported. In the latter case, Putin was furious when a 2011 U.S. and European military operation billed as humanitarian — and advocated by Clinton — evolved into a de facto campaign against dictator Muammar Qadhafi.

Putin reportedly obsessed over Qadhafi's violent death in Kremlin meetings. The graphic video of the Libya ruler’s bloodied body being dragged by a mob is often replayed on Russian television, along with Clinton’s wisecrack about the executed strongman: “We came, we saw, he died.”

Since leaving government, Clinton has had almost exclusively tough words for Putin, especially following Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea. At a March 2014 fundraiser, Clinton compared Putin’s action “to what Hitler did back in the ’30s.”

 

[Likkmee]

The absolute worse is a country full of Bolsheviks wearing yamahaz on their heads influencing EVERYTHING. Give it 10 years and calling the holohoax a holeyhoax might get you the death penalty.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Is the act of exposing corruption within the DNC considered tampering or doing America a solid?

I don't hear anyone challenging the content of the 'leaked emails' as false. I only hear them upset that they were made public.

The Russians stole the identities of American citizens, posed as political activists and used the flash points of immigration, religion and race to manipulate a campaign in which those issues were already particularly divisive/

CHALLENGE THAT BORIS.

You do know they played for both sides, no? They did. They didn't care which side won, they were just there to fan the flames of division.

Big 45K, How much did Hillary spend on her campaign?

 

[Edgetho]

dimocrap scum are so predictably stupid, dishonest and scummy, they ignore the evidence --

Sanders silent on claim that Russians backed him in 2016

The indictment revealed that the efforts included “operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.”

Russian “specialists were instructed to post content that focused on ‘politics in the USA’ and to ‘use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them.),’” the indictment continued. It said that message was sent around Feb. 10, 2016, the day after both Sanders and Trump won their respective parties’ all-important New Hampshire primary contest.

 

[Valerie]

yeah, it's no secret that the rabid bernie bros turned out to be fueled by the anti-American fake news troll farm...

 

[whitehall]

We both do it. One of the missions of the U.S. "intelligence" agencies is to try to influence foreign elections and Russia has done the same thing to the U.S. since FDR used to call Stalin "uncle Joe". The problem is when the mainstream media pretends to be shocked and engages in the same propaganda technique as our enemies to try to overthrow the results of an election.

 

[Seawytch]

dimocrap scum are so predictably stupid, dishonest and scummy, they ignore the evidence --

Sanders silent on claim that Russians backed him in 2016

The indictment revealed that the efforts included “operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.”

Russian “specialists were instructed to post content that focused on ‘politics in the USA’ and to ‘use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them.),’” the indictment continued. It said that message was sent around Feb. 10, 2016, the day after both Sanders and Trump won their respective parties’ all-important New Hampshire primary contest.

And Trump denies it entirely. As the thread title ponders...which is worse?

 

[Edgetho]

And Trump denies it entirely. As the thread title ponders...which is worse?

You must like losing.

Keep on keepin' on, sweetness. I hope all you dimocraps do.

All you got is your hatred of Trump. That's sure to win something for you....... Like a permanent minority in the House and Senate.

I'm calling for a 20 seat gain in the House and a 7 seat gain in the Senate for Patriotic Americans. Republicans, in case you've been drinking the dimocrap kool aid a little too much these past few months.

You got nothing. People are sick to death of you. Even people who would listen to you because of the legacy of the once-great democrat party.

Now, you're a sad caricature of what you used to be.

Sick, hateful, depraved, Anti-American dirtbags.

The only people that listen to you are like-minded sickos. Keep it up. I'm loving it

 

[Valerie]

trumptard hatred of ms hillary is LEGEND

they even let putin take over USA agenda over it.

 

[Edgetho]

Delusional with the hatred.

Find a spin cycle

 

[Care4all]

Putin HATED Ubercunt. Hated her/it. And for good reason

This was written months before the scabby, crusted old scrunt lost the election to President of The United States of America, Donald J Trump.......

You people (I use the word advisedly) really should get some news from sources other than Comedy Central --

Why Putin hates Hillary

Whether Putin genuinely believed that Clinton was plotting his overthrow is another question. But he has repeatedly criticized the U.S. for “regime change” policies that have toppled authoritarians in other countries, including Iraq and Libya, that Clinton supported. In the latter case, Putin was furious when a 2011 U.S. and European military operation billed as humanitarian — and advocated by Clinton — evolved into a de facto campaign against dictator Muammar Qadhafi.

Putin reportedly obsessed over Qadhafi's violent death in Kremlin meetings. The graphic video of the Libya ruler’s bloodied body being dragged by a mob is often replayed on Russian television, along with Clinton’s wisecrack about the executed strongman: “We came, we saw, he died.”

Since leaving government, Clinton has had almost exclusively tough words for Putin, especially following Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea. At a March 2014 fundraiser, Clinton compared Putin’s action “to what Hitler did back in the ’30s.”

ballots were stuffed for putin in the 2012 Russia election.... Clinton was not in any way the only representative of a foreign nation that made such claim from the overwhelming video evidence....

Analysis | Videos online show blatant ballot-stuffing in Russia

Observers Detail Fraud in Russian Election Won by Putin

Observers slam Russian vote as Putin declares victory - CNN

Ballot stuffing, vote-rigging and fraud: Russians on alert for tricks that may help Vladimir Putin win election

Russian election: does the data suggest Putin won through fraud?

Putin's real hatred for Hillary comes from her stating that something fishy went on with his election.....this pissed him off to no end.....

 

[Edgetho]

The age-old 'bandwagon' fallacy, huh?

Putin HATED Ubercunt. Hated the nasty, scabby old scrunt.

Payback's a bitch, ain't it.......

 

[Marion Morrison]

a foreign government trying to influence an election, or our own government trying to influence an election.


just for discussion purposes lets assume that the Russians tried to influence our election and the FBI and DOJ tried to influence our election. Doesn't matter who they tried to help or hurt.

Which is worse?

So you're ok with Russia deciding who is president of the United States?

Would you be if they had weighed in on Clinton's side?

Of course not.

the Russians created the fake dossier, the Russians paid the Clinton foundation 145 million, the Russians got 20% of our uranium from Hillary, and you claim the Russians wanted Trump? are you fricken crazy? The Russians are laughing at all of us right now, they just wanted to create turmoil and mistrust in this country, and they did.

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

So you're ok with Russia deciding who is president of the United States?

Would you be if they had weighed in on Clinton's side?

Of course not.

the Russians created the fake dossier, the Russians paid the Clinton foundation 145 million, the Russians got 20% of our uranium from Hillary, and you claim the Russians wanted Trump? are you fricken crazy? The Russians are laughing at all of us right now, they just wanted to create turmoil and mistrust in this country, and they did.

We KNOW Putin wanted Trump. That's not in contention by anyone but Trump (and by extension his cult members). Putin interfered in our election to hurt Hillary and help Trump.

Senate intelligence leaders: Russians schemed to help Trump I

more bullshit. Putin owned Hillary, he had tons of material on her to use to blackmail her into doing his bidding (including her 30,000 missing emails). He had nothing on Trump and Trump is taking him on on every front.

your small mind has been poisoned by left wing media lies.

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

You are bat sh*t crazy or just the most dishonest person next to Trump, in the whole wide world.

Putin was not in bed with Clinton.

Putin did not want Hillary as President, he wanted Trump as President.

The Russians did NOT create the Dossier

the FBI did not begin their investigation in to Russian interference in our election process because of the Dossier.

Regardless the dossier field notes of Steele, several aspects of it and in it, have been PROVEN TRUE.

The Senate intel committee, in their investigation ALSO shows that Putin did not want Hillary to win, Putin worked hard, in a comprehensive plan, to get Trump elected.

The Trump campaign worked with Russians in many different aspects of their interference, to get Trump elected....

This is 90% of the "Russian interference" in the 2016 election.

"In reviewing the ads buys, we have found approximately $100,000 in ad spending from June of 2015 to May of 2017 — associated with roughly 3,000 ads — that was connected to about 470 inauthentic accounts and Pages in violation of our policies," Facebook Chief Security Officer Alex Stamos said in a statement."

Facebook says it sold ads to Russian 'troll farm' during 2016 campaign


The other 10% is failed hacking attempts on a few localized voting machines. Nothing to do with Trump.