Where do they draw the line, is there a line?

[theDoctorisIn]

Perfect example of the chalk board
perhaps the DR can point out the flaws.

Glenn Beck - Cloward And Piven - Destroy The Economy And Reboot

I'm at work, I can't watch videos.

Anyway, I'm not going to bother. The so-called "Cloward Piven strategy" comes from an article in the Nation from the sixties. I know that it exists, I've even read the article.

Just because it's possible doesn't mean its true. The strongest argument against almost everything Beck says is a simple application of Occam's razor and Hanlan's razor.

Occam's Razor:
The meta-theoretical principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem) and the conclusion thereof, that the simplest solution is usually the correct one.

Hanlon's Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity

Platitudes are a poor substitute for thinking.
Mr.Fitnah

You're right.

There is a point which beyond unbelief is impossible, and the mind in refusing truth must take refuge in a misbelief which is sheer incredulity.
Sir Robert Anderson

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Now this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Re cap and trade

According to Glenn Beck, Maurice Strong. But there's no evidence of that.

GLENN BECK, HOST: America, this is so important. This should be on the front page of every paper, but it won't be. And when I'm done with it, you ask yourself why.

And you watch — you watch — all the blogs and everything else will just make cheap shots at me. Go ahead. Go ahead. Look how fat he is, look how stupid, look at his hair, look at the blackboards. Whatever. How about we talk about the content on the blackboards, OK?

We left the Chicago Climate Exchange story — I'm trying to show how the entire government is turning in to "Crime Inc."

'Glenn Beck': Real Story Behind Cap-and-Trade - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Beck has flesh out this crime inc story pretty well I have to go to work
Someone may fill in more details

Crime Inc. - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Why Does Crime Inc. Matter to You? - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQDmAha3Ytg]YouTube - The One Thing: 4/29[/ame]

Who is Maurice Strong?
I dont know .
Lets ask the real crazies
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih1UPeEK9Ig]YouTube - Maurice Strong at root of Global Warming Scam[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu_XGuP_LY8]YouTube - Maurice Strong's unprecedented rise to power[/ame]

CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CCX)

Describes itself as "North America's only cap-and-trade system for all six greenhouse gases"
Received startup grants totaling $1.1 million from the Joyce Foundation in 2001-02, when Barack Obama sat on the foundation's board
Closely tied to Al Gore's company, Generation Investment Management
A key Chicago Climate Exchange board member is Maurice Strong, who has a history of insider-trading transgressions.

I already told you, I'm at work, I can't watch your stupid videos.

Can you make an argument without cut&paste or Glenn Beck clips?

 

[American Horse]

Provably false.

I'm sorry, I can accept legitimate criticism of this Administration. Hell, I criticize them myself constantly.

But I can't help but laugh every time I hear someone try to legitimize what Glenn Beck puts on his chalkboard.

QUESTION: Have you ever watched an hour of Glen Beck?
If not, how do you form opinions about what he says?
If so, then you know he offers up facts and asks for rebuttal about what those facts mean, or proof that anything he writes there is not accurate.
He puts it on th blackboard to give it emphasis and for the audience to show relationships, beter absorb, and to refer back to because he covers a lot of factual data.
He is a good teacher.

Yes, I have had the "pleasure" of watching a full hour of Glenn Beck. Many times. Frequently I have to, for work.

Let me explain something.

I don't think that Glenn Beck lies. Any fact that he says is usually mostly true - possibly taken out of context, but I don't know of any time when Glenn Beck just made some fact up.

But I guarantee you that I could "link" anything together, six degrees of kevin bacon style, like Glenn does. That's the thing about conspiracy theories - you don't have to prove anything to make one. You just have to prove that it's possible, and people will believe you.

He posits not just facts, but also associations. And the associations, like the facts, provide reasonable assumptions about intentions, motivations and the directions events appear to be going, especially when they are mutually supportive.

Associations do not necessitate conspiracies; people with like interests who will benefit from the establishment and expansion of interests will tend to act in apparent harmony with others to fulfill those which will accomplish the same desired or complementary goal or outcome, especially when they seem to offer to accommodate a common philosophical goal.

As a hypothetical:

A person with grave ecological concerns may justifiably believe that national interests run counter to a sustained human presence on earth, the well being of the planet, and therefore all its inhabitants.

A person with concerns about fairness and social justice may justifiably believe that only an overarching system of governance can provide a reasonable standard of living and equal rights to all the earth's citizens.

Another person convinced of human selfishness and fallibility and the fallibility of human social institutions may believe that those things need to be managed and shaped by an elite class of especially well informed and qualified leaders with the welfare of humanity as their highest goal.

All of these (and more) separately or in combination may be the goal of innumerable people who, believing themselves capable of promoting those goals, and having been proven by their abilities whether by talents in communications, political, business, scientific, or social acumen, and in a age of communications and information (could) easily, even most likely would work in accord for what to them are laudable and necessary goals.

Would those be reasonable long range goals? Would those associations be likely to form? Would there be a more opportune moment, with all the elements in place than the present?

 

[SuMar]

As ridiculous as your scenarios are I do believe that if they actually played out as such, the libs would still follow blindly and still blame Bush claiming that Obama had to do what he had to do.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I already told you, I'm at work, I can't watch your stupid videos.

Can you make an argument without cut&paste or Glenn Beck clips?

Let's will try a different tack,

1. Do you believe that President Obama was properly vetted by the media while running ?
2. What did candidate Obama mean when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. "

 

[immto]

Is there a line?

Of course there is.

But Beck is just an agit-prop comedian. We (most sane people) don't take him seriously - not because we don't know what he's saying, but because he offers no real evidence of any of the horrible things he seems to think are right around the corner.

You conspiracy nutjobs think that Glenn Beck's flowcharts "prove" that the US is on the path to a Socialist dictatorship, while simultaneously arguing that Obama is nothing but "Bush 3". Make up your minds.

Glenn Beck to a large degree more than the others I mentioned provides all kinds of proof if you choose to actually pay attention. He doesn't just say something and expect us to believe it because it came from his mouth. Do you actually watch or listen to either of his programs or do you simply rely on what you hear about him?

Drawing lines on a chalkboard isn't proof.

Glenn Beck offers no "proof" - only insane supposition.

Why don't you challenge some of those "lines on the chalkboard"?

 

[immto]

Now this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.


According to Glenn Beck, Maurice Strong. But there's no evidence of that.

GLENN BECK, HOST: America, this is so important. This should be on the front page of every paper, but it won't be. And when I'm done with it, you ask yourself why.

And you watch — you watch — all the blogs and everything else will just make cheap shots at me. Go ahead. Go ahead. Look how fat he is, look how stupid, look at his hair, look at the blackboards. Whatever. How about we talk about the content on the blackboards, OK?

We left the Chicago Climate Exchange story — I'm trying to show how the entire government is turning in to "Crime Inc."

'Glenn Beck': Real Story Behind Cap-and-Trade - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Beck has flesh out this crime inc story pretty well I have to go to work
Someone may fill in more details

Crime Inc. - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Why Does Crime Inc. Matter to You? - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQDmAha3Ytg]YouTube - The One Thing: 4/29[/ame]

Who is Maurice Strong?
I dont know .
Lets ask the real crazies
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih1UPeEK9Ig]YouTube - Maurice Strong at root of Global Warming Scam[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu_XGuP_LY8]YouTube - Maurice Strong's unprecedented rise to power[/ame]

CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CCX)

Describes itself as "North America's only cap-and-trade system for all six greenhouse gases"
Received startup grants totaling $1.1 million from the Joyce Foundation in 2001-02, when Barack Obama sat on the foundation's board
Closely tied to Al Gore's company, Generation Investment Management
A key Chicago Climate Exchange board member is Maurice Strong, who has a history of insider-trading transgressions.

I already told you, I'm at work, I can't watch your stupid videos.

Can you make an argument without cut&paste or Glenn Beck clips?

Can't you challenge the lines on the chalk board?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I already told you, I'm at work, I can't watch your stupid videos.

Can you make an argument without cut&paste or Glenn Beck clips?

Let's will try a different tack,

1. Do you believe that President Obama was properly vetted by the media while running ?
2. What did candidate Obama mean when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. "

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I already told you, I'm at work, I can't watch your stupid videos.

Can you make an argument without cut&paste or Glenn Beck clips?

Let's will try a different tack,

1. Do you believe that President Obama was properly vetted by the media while running ?

What do you consider "properly vetted"? Do you rely on the media to "vet" people for you?

I don't. I do my own research.

2. What did candidate Obama mean when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. "

I imagine he was trying to pump up the troops. It's called keeping the momentum going.

This is the problem with conspiracy theories: First you make the theory, then you find quotes out of context, and loose connections that back up your theory. Anything that doesn't back up the theory is ignored, and everything that could back up the theory is blown out of proportion.

When you heard Obama say that he was five days away from fundamentally transforming America, you and Glenn took it to mean that he had slipped up and exposed his evil plans. But everyone else took it differently, which is why that meme didn't catch on and make him lose the election.

I'm a scientific minded person - and the first thing you do when you hear a theory is examine it's plausibility. Occam's Razor says that the least complicated answer is usually the correct one. Your theory requires us to believe that Obama, the Apollo Alliance, ACORN, The New Party, and countless other people and organizations are all working towards destroying America.

Seeing as how I know personally a large number of the people and organizations that Beck (and you, with your constant posting of Beck videos in lieu of debate) name as co-conspirators, you'll understand that I might have a different opinion of the situation.

You (and Beck) greatly exaggerate the power and influence of these groups. For instance, let's take ACORN.

ACORN, according to Beck, is a vastly powerful network bent on the destruction of capitalist America and turning us into a Socialist dictatorship.

In reality, ACORN WAS an organization dedicated to helping low-income families, with housing loans, tax preparation, and voter registration. Now ACORN is dead. You guys killed it, and with it thousands of people lost a great resource.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

GLENN BECK, HOST: America, this is so important. This should be on the front page of every paper, but it won't be. And when I'm done with it, you ask yourself why.

And you watch — you watch — all the blogs and everything else will just make cheap shots at me. Go ahead. Go ahead. Look how fat he is, look how stupid, look at his hair, look at the blackboards. Whatever. How about we talk about the content on the blackboards, OK?

We left the Chicago Climate Exchange story — I'm trying to show how the entire government is turning in to "Crime Inc."

'Glenn Beck': Real Story Behind Cap-and-Trade - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Beck has flesh out this crime inc story pretty well I have to go to work
Someone may fill in more details

Crime Inc. - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Why Does Crime Inc. Matter to You? - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com

YouTube - The One Thing: 4/29

Who is Maurice Strong?
I dont know .
Lets ask the real crazies
YouTube - Maurice Strong at root of Global Warming Scam
YouTube - Maurice Strong's unprecedented rise to power

CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CCX)

Describes itself as "North America's only cap-and-trade system for all six greenhouse gases"
Received startup grants totaling $1.1 million from the Joyce Foundation in 2001-02, when Barack Obama sat on the foundation's board
Closely tied to Al Gore's company, Generation Investment Management
A key Chicago Climate Exchange board member is Maurice Strong, who has a history of insider-trading transgressions.

I already told you, I'm at work, I can't watch your stupid videos.

Can you make an argument without cut&paste or Glenn Beck clips?

Can't you challenge the lines on the chalk board?

You see, that's the beauty of what Beck does. You can't challenge "the lines on the chalk board" because they all do exist. What you can challenge is what Beck makes of the "lines". Beck will draw a line on the chalk board between, say, ACORN and Obama. The line does exist, because they have worked together in the past.

But Beck will use that connection to jump to the conclusion that Obama is a puppet of ACORN, which is incorrect.

 

[Biggles]

The line was crossed the moment the lying, arrogant, ignorant, hypocrite, socialist was elected president.

I knew right then, we are in deep trouble, due to the masses of liberal ignorant voters.

 

[Dr Gregg]

I can't help but think where do they draw the line? Glenn Beck has said many times he hopes he is wrong but no one has yet been able to prove it or even challenge him on many of his claims. He recently asked America to agree with all our liberal screwball friends, yes Glenn Beck is nuts, but what if there's any truth to it, I know, I know, he's crazy, but what if any of it is true, does it matter?

I would like to pose a question to all the Liberal Screw Balls out there, all the Obama loving, Liberal/Progressive/Socialist nut jobs, where do you draw the line? At what point, is there a point, that you say, "uncle"? I mean let's say you wake up one day and Cass Sunstein is pouring sterilization drugs into the Ghetto's drinking water, do you scream OMG!, Glenn was right or do you go along with it because Obama thinks it's a good idea? If China calls us on our debt and we can't repay, then Obama tells them they can have the Midwest as repayment. Is that acceptable or do you finally break it off?

This is intended as a serious question. I really want to know if there is line that can be crossed or if you will simply follow this man and his agenda down any path no matter where it appears to be leading. Is there something that would make you take pause and maybe listen a little more closely to what Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Mark Levin and all the others have been trying to get America to understand. At what point do you remove the Obama 08 bumper sticker with a blow torch because you are so disgusted with what America is becoming.

This is not a Party thing, I'm not saying the Republican have all the answers, I just can't help but notice that no matter what he says, no matter what his people say or do there is a core group who will fight and defend it no matter what. If Bush sneezed wrong the media was all over him, but it seems Obama and his ilk get away with anything. I want to know where they draw the line, or if there is even a line at all. This is a question we ought to have been asking back in 2008, but that's the past, let's look to the future while we still have a Constitution to look up to.

Cheers,

Mike

I hope you weren't REALLY expecting serious responses to such a bullshit laden post? Why do you even waste your time?

And I'm sure he thinks Beck is nuts, sounds like this dipshit worships him. Beck is an entertainer spreading bullshit to his moron audience that they want to hear, laughing his way to the bank. I bet he doesn't even believe half the shit he spouts, but that gets him ratings

 

[drsmith1072]

As ridiculous as your scenarios are I do believe that if they actually played out as such, the libs would still follow blindly and still blame Bush claiming that Obama had to do what he had to do.

and rightwingers would follow blindly and still refuse to hold W accountable for what happened on his watch that led us to where we are as they try to blame obama for everything and try to make something out of anything no matter how small or obsure all so they can continue to attack obama.

 

[rikules]

I can't help but think where do they draw the line? Glenn Beck has said many times he hopes he is wrong but no one has yet been able to prove it or even challenge him on many of his claims. He recently asked America to agree with all our liberal screwball friends, yes Glenn Beck is nuts, but what if there's any truth to it, I know, I know, he's crazy, but what if any of it is true, does it matter?

I would like to pose a question to all the Liberal Screw Balls out there, all the Obama loving, Liberal/Progressive/Socialist nut jobs, where do you draw the line? At what point, is there a point, that you say, "uncle"? I mean let's say you wake up one day and Cass Sunstein is pouring sterilization drugs into the Ghetto's drinking water, do you scream OMG!, Glenn was right or do you go along with it because Obama thinks it's a good idea? If China calls us on our debt and we can't repay, then Obama tells them they can have the Midwest as repayment. Is that acceptable or do you finally break it off?

This is intended as a serious question. I really want to know if there is line that can be crossed or if you will simply follow this man and his agenda down any path no matter where it appears to be leading. Is there something that would make you take pause and maybe listen a little more closely to what Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Mark Levin and all the others have been trying to get America to understand. At what point do you remove the Obama 08 bumper sticker with a blow torch because you are so disgusted with what America is becoming.

This is not a Party thing, I'm not saying the Republican have all the answers, I just can't help but notice that no matter what he says, no matter what his people say or do there is a core group who will fight and defend it no matter what. If Bush sneezed wrong the media was all over him, but it seems Obama and his ilk get away with anything. I want to know where they draw the line, or if there is even a line at all. This is a question we ought to have been asking back in 2008, but that's the past, let's look to the future while we still have a Constitution to look up to.

Cheers,

Mike

"I mean let's say you wake up one day and Cass Sunstein is pouring sterilization drugs into the Ghetto's drinking water, do you scream OMG!"

liberals are probably more likely to outraged at someone sterilizing ghettos...

which makes me wonder...

if rush limbaugh and glenn beck told you that one of the big problems with America is all those poverty stricken ghetto families and the only answer was forced sterilization....

would you
a. agree
b. strongly agree
c. demand forced sterilization
d. consider sterilizing all liberals along with ghettos


"If China calls us on our debt and we can't repay, then Obama tells them they can have the Midwest as repayment. Is that acceptable or do you finally break it off?"


if sarah palin becomes our next president and offers china the peoples republic of Kalifornia would you
a. agree
b. understand
c. jump for joy
e. toss in the north east as added incentive

 

[Polk]

Is there a line?

Of course there is.

But Beck is just an agit-prop comedian. We (most sane people) don't take him seriously - not because we don't know what he's saying, but because he offers no real evidence of any of the horrible things he seems to think are right around the corner.

What horrible things ?
Be specific.

Horrible things Beck things is around the corner? Conservatives being rounded up and placed in concentration camps, for starters. Hyperinflation, for another. Then again, I don't expect him to offer evidence. It's impossible to offer real evidence of something you made up.

 

[Sherry]

Is there a line?

Of course there is.

But Beck is just an agit-prop comedian. We (most sane people) don't take him seriously - not because we don't know what he's saying, but because he offers no real evidence of any of the horrible things he seems to think are right around the corner.

What horrible things ?
Be specific.

Horrible things Beck things is around the corner? Conservatives being rounded up and placed in concentration camps, for starters. Hyperinflation, for another. Then again, I don't expect him to offer evidence. It's impossible to offer real evidence of something you made up.

How did I miss that one??

 

[Polk]

What horrible things ?
Be specific.

Horrible things Beck things is around the corner? Conservatives being rounded up and placed in concentration camps, for starters. Hyperinflation, for another. Then again, I don't expect him to offer evidence. It's impossible to offer real evidence of something you made up.

How did I miss that one??

He backed away from it later (and Fox sent in copyright violation requests to have the videos pulled from Youtube), but early last year, he claimed that FEMA was setting up concentration camps.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

America is turning into Greece... this is exactly what they want. Don't waste your time.

They see Greece burning and they clamor for more of the same... 60+ years of progressive cradle-to-grave bullshit, we're bankrupt, and they say "YAY! GIVE US MORE!"

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

But.. the day of reckoning is right around the corner. Those sitting around applauding the giveaways and the classwarfare rhetoric will be relegated to the trash bin. Those who understand and know hard work and get the notion of "no free lunch" will flourish. It is a tired old story.... the weak will whither away on the decaying vine of progressivism.

Smile!

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

[

You see, that's the beauty of what Beck does. You can't challenge "the lines on the chalk board" because they all do exist. What you can challenge is what Beck makes of the "lines". Beck will draw a line on the chalk board between, say, ACORN and Obama. The line does exist, because they have worked together in the past.

But Beck will use that connection to jump to the conclusion that Obama is a puppet of ACORN, which is incorrect.

Let's will try a different tack,

1. Do you believe that President Obama was properly vetted by the media while running ?YOUR ANSWER WAS YES

2. What did candidate Obama mean when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. "