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I doubt that Reagan would approve of importing jihadis with true refugees.
How do you know we are importing jihadis?
Seriously? How do you know?
The jihadis want to kill the people who are fleeing. As does the murderer Assad. That's why they are fleeing.
By your logic, we shouldn't have imported any Iranians, because how did we know that they weren't being exported by Khomeni? How did we know?
Or Cubans. How did we know that the people who came across the Straight of Florida weren't really being sent by Castro? How did we know?
We didn't.
We accepted them because they were fleeing terror, oppression and tyranny.
Reagan would be ashamed of the party now. It has become a scared, xenophobic, small party.
^ you mean Daesh? Why you give them more credibility than they deserve?
To daesh or not to daesh, that is the question......... | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum^ you mean Daesh? Why you give them more credibility than they deserve?
No. I mean ISIS, as in the Islamic State. How typical of you to wish to avoid using accurate and recognizable language to identify Islamic Terrorists.
^ you mean Daesh? Why you give them more credibility than they deserve?
No. I mean ISIS, as in the Islamic State. How typical of you to wish to avoid using accurate and recognizable language to identify Islamic Terrorists.
she just put her partisan naivete on display for all to see. 'twas ever thus.To daesh or not to daesh, that is the question......... | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum^ you mean Daesh? Why you give them more credibility than they deserve?
No. I mean ISIS, as in the Islamic State. How typical of you to wish to avoid using accurate and recognizable language to identify Islamic Terrorists.
That's the name of a goddess. The terrorists themselves apparently want to be known that way as propaganda. Why give them what they want? We've moved on to "Daesh" for the Daeshbags. Because they hate it.
Exactly. Sad that boedicca can't or, more likely won't, see that as it would make her appear to be what she is- a partisan hack^ you mean Daesh? Why you give them more credibility than they deserve?
No. I mean ISIS, as in the Islamic State. How typical of you to wish to avoid using accurate and recognizable language to identify Islamic Terrorists.
No, they gave themselves the names ISIL and ISIS. Daesh is an Arabic term that everyone else over there calls them, but they hate it. Matter of fact, they have publicly stated that anyone who calls them Daesh should have their tounges cut out.
Isis however, for many ages has been regarded as the Egyptian deity that is associated with Mother Earth. Why give them the cachet of being associated with an Egyptian deity?
Remember how much we feared and hated Iranians? Iran had a revolution and took American hostages for over a year.
Iran had terrorist training camps and were sending out terrorists all over the place. Iran was behind the blowing up of the Marine barracks. Iran funded Hezbollah and Hamas which carried out terrorist attacks all over the Middle East, and particularly in Israel, a great ally of the US.
Iranians were hijacking airplanes and blowing shit up all over the place.
And then there were the Iranian refugees trying to get away from these maniacs.
Do you know what Reagan did about the refugees?
Did he shit his pants in fear? Nope.
Did he stir up the Right with anti-Muslim rhetoric and say we should not allow these refugees in? Nope.
Did he do some kind of fucked up calculus and say it wasn't worth the risk? Nope.
He let the Iranian refugees in. Because Republicans had real balls of titanium and real compassion back then.
http://www.paaia.org/CMS/Data/Sites/1/pdfs/iranian-americans---immigration-and-assimilation.pdf
Between October 1981 and February 1985, more Iranians were granted asylum — 11,055 in total — than any other nationality.
Do you see that? At the peak of our anti-Iranian sentiment, we let in more Iranian refugees than any other kind of refugees.
Now THAT is what "home of the brave" looks like, boys and girls. That is what "American exceptionalism" looks like.
Reagan's own words:
We shall continue America's tradition as a land that welcomes peoples from other countries. We shall also, with other countries, continue to share in the responsibility of welcoming and resettling those who flee oppression.
Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status.
I don't know who these people are today who are calling themselves Republicans. I really don't.
Pogo's response couldn't have been any more clear, accurate and to the point. Just goes to show, you can't dumb things down enough to fit inside the cranium of a right winger.Nazis are socialists, they are pretty far left. Pretty much there with you.
You're a Reagan conservative, that's comic. Like how you think Republicans moved to the right, they are left of Reagan, Holmes
And again, I say I'm not a Republican, and you insult me by calling me a Republican, while you claim to be a Republican. Where is your clown avatar? The dress fits
Nazis are about as "far left" as the Klan. Fatter o' mact they have a lot in common -- hypernationalism.... hyperreligionism.... racial purity fantasies... hypermoralistic persecution of drunks and loose women... da evil Jooos..... da evil communists..... da eebil homosexuals .. da eebil intellectuals....
Yep, that's what I call "far left" awright.
Revisionism never sleeps around here. It's like rust.
The Nazis were more aware than you, Holmes, that's why they accurately called themselves a socialist party. They believed in government control over the economy. That's as leftist as you
The "socialist" tag --- a new and trendy buzzword at the time --- was already there when Hitler joined the party around 1920. He objected to it but went along.
Do you believe Grape Nuts is made with any grapes or nuts at all?
Or that the Pennsylvania Dutch have something to do with Holland?
Pop quiz -- how many band members comprise Ten Thousand Maniacs?
DUH.
In any case all that shit I just mentioned --- class hierarchies, übernationalism, übermilitarism, appeal to past glories, denigration of minorities/immigrants/women/homosexuals/communists/intellectuals -- those don't live on the left, as even retards know.
And my name is not "Holmes". Quit looking at my dick.
Um...you seem to have the obsession with staring at your dick, Holmes.
As for Hitler, he called him self a socialist, he believed in government control over the economy. That confuses you how, exactly?
What evidence do you have to support your assertion that refugees who've been in refugee camps for years waiting to resettle here are terrorists? Aside from your own fear, that isThe OP tends to forget THOSE from Iran at that time were running FROM islamic tyranny. Those from Syria ARE islamic tyranny.So now Reagan is a hero?Make up your minds and stop using people to suit an agenda. If Reagan were POTUS he'd be taking it to ISIS....your boy is pissing down his hind leg over it
Just a wee different you know?
I didn't vote for Reagan, ever, but I don's agree with your charge of revisionist history. It's always struck me as odd that Ike reversed Truman's policy of NOT allowing an Iranian Coup. Yet, three years later, he joined with Stalin in humiliating France and Britain over their attempted coup in Egypt to get rid of Nassar who nationalized both oil and the canal. Did Ike learn something about the CIA and our former Imperialist allies? (And of course Reagan wanted our canal back, but that's another story)Remember how much we feared and hated Iranians? Iran had a revolution and took American hostages for over a year.
Iran had terrorist training camps and were sending out terrorists all over the place. Iran was behind the blowing up of the Marine barracks. Iran funded Hezbollah and Hamas which carried out terrorist attacks all over the Middle East, and particularly in Israel, a great ally of the US.
Iranians were hijacking airplanes and blowing shit up all over the place.
And then there were the Iranian refugees trying to get away from these maniacs.
Do you know what Reagan did about the refugees?
Did he shit his pants in fear? Nope.
Did he stir up the Right with anti-Muslim rhetoric and say we should not allow these refugees in? Nope.
Did he do some kind of fucked up calculus and say it wasn't worth the risk? Nope.
He let the Iranian refugees in. Because Republicans had real balls of titanium and real compassion back then.
http://www.paaia.org/CMS/Data/Sites/1/pdfs/iranian-americans---immigration-and-assimilation.pdf
Between October 1981 and February 1985, more Iranians were granted asylum — 11,055 in total — than any other nationality.
Do you see that? At the peak of our anti-Iranian sentiment, we let in more Iranian refugees than any other kind of refugees.
Now THAT is what "home of the brave" looks like, boys and girls. That is what "American exceptionalism" looks like.
Reagan's own words:
We shall continue America's tradition as a land that welcomes peoples from other countries. We shall also, with other countries, continue to share in the responsibility of welcoming and resettling those who flee oppression.
Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status.
I don't know who these people are today who are calling themselves Republicans. I really don't.
Gotta love the selective revisionist history of people.
Iran's revolution didn't come out of thin air. Came as a result of US installation and support of a pro-US dictator who kicked the shit of his people. Hard to imagine why they mighta not liked us very much huh?
I didn't vote for Reagan, ever, but I don's agree with your charge of revisionist history. It's always struck me as odd that Ike reversed Truman's policy of NOT allowing an Iranian Coup. Yet, three years later, he joined with Stalin in humiliating France and Britain over their attempted coup in Egypt to get rid of Nassar who nationalized both oil and the canal. (And of course Reagan wanted our canal back)Remember how much we feared and hated Iranians? Iran had a revolution and took American hostages for over a year.
Iran had terrorist training camps and were sending out terrorists all over the place. Iran was behind the blowing up of the Marine barracks. Iran funded Hezbollah and Hamas which carried out terrorist attacks all over the Middle East, and particularly in Israel, a great ally of the US.
Iranians were hijacking airplanes and blowing shit up all over the place.
And then there were the Iranian refugees trying to get away from these maniacs.
Do you know what Reagan did about the refugees?
Did he shit his pants in fear? Nope.
Did he stir up the Right with anti-Muslim rhetoric and say we should not allow these refugees in? Nope.
Did he do some kind of fucked up calculus and say it wasn't worth the risk? Nope.
He let the Iranian refugees in. Because Republicans had real balls of titanium and real compassion back then.
http://www.paaia.org/CMS/Data/Sites/1/pdfs/iranian-americans---immigration-and-assimilation.pdf
Between October 1981 and February 1985, more Iranians were granted asylum — 11,055 in total — than any other nationality.
Do you see that? At the peak of our anti-Iranian sentiment, we let in more Iranian refugees than any other kind of refugees.
Now THAT is what "home of the brave" looks like, boys and girls. That is what "American exceptionalism" looks like.
Reagan's own words:
We shall continue America's tradition as a land that welcomes peoples from other countries. We shall also, with other countries, continue to share in the responsibility of welcoming and resettling those who flee oppression.
Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status.
I don't know who these people are today who are calling themselves Republicans. I really don't.
Gotta love the selective revisionist history of people.
Iran's revolution didn't come out of thin air. Came as a result of US installation and support of a pro-US dictator who kicked the shit of his people. Hard to imagine why they mighta not liked us very much huh?
I don't think Reagan would have been fine with just being flooded with Syrians and Libayans with no pass port and no history of seeking to avoid being killed by governments that gas their own civilians, but these current fearful little wannabe demigods running for the gop nomination have nothing in common either with him or Gerry Ford.
Pogo's response couldn't have been any more clear, accurate and to the point. Just goes to show, you can't dumb things down enough to fit inside the cranium of a right winger.Nazis are about as "far left" as the Klan. Fatter o' mact they have a lot in common -- hypernationalism.... hyperreligionism.... racial purity fantasies... hypermoralistic persecution of drunks and loose women... da evil Jooos..... da evil communists..... da eebil homosexuals .. da eebil intellectuals....
Yep, that's what I call "far left" awright.
Revisionism never sleeps around here. It's like rust.
The Nazis were more aware than you, Holmes, that's why they accurately called themselves a socialist party. They believed in government control over the economy. That's as leftist as you
The "socialist" tag --- a new and trendy buzzword at the time --- was already there when Hitler joined the party around 1920. He objected to it but went along.
Do you believe Grape Nuts is made with any grapes or nuts at all?
Or that the Pennsylvania Dutch have something to do with Holland?
Pop quiz -- how many band members comprise Ten Thousand Maniacs?
DUH.
In any case all that shit I just mentioned --- class hierarchies, übernationalism, übermilitarism, appeal to past glories, denigration of minorities/immigrants/women/homosexuals/communists/intellectuals -- those don't live on the left, as even retards know.
And my name is not "Holmes". Quit looking at my dick.
Um...you seem to have the obsession with staring at your dick, Holmes.
As for Hitler, he called him self a socialist, he believed in government control over the economy. That confuses you how, exactly?
You do like a good liberal circle jerk, don't you? You guys need to get a room
I saw Ben Carson on Face the Nation this past Sunday, and he presented an alternative plan for the refugee situation which I think is a viable one.
DICKERSON: Dr. Carson, I want to ask you. You visited a Syrian refugee camp. What did you learn there?
CARSON: Well, first of all, I was very impressed by the outpouring of humanitarian effort on behalf of the Jordanians.
This has been going on for many decades. But they have really reached out to the Syrians in a very big way. And I had an opportunity to talk with many of the Syrians. And that was very eye- opening, asking them, what is their desire, what is their main desire?
And their main desire is to be repatriated in their homeland. And I said, what kinds of things could a nation like United States do to help? And there was a pretty uniform answer on that. That was, they can support the efforts of the Jordanians. The Jordanians have done a yeoman's job in terms much putting up these camps, but the reason that the camps are not full is because they are not supported by the international community.
It seems like everybody in the international community is spending more time saying, how can we bring refugees here, rather than how can we support a facility that is already in place that the refugees are finding perfectly fine when it's adequately funded?
DICKERSON: So, your assessment visiting there is that Jordan could take all the refugees; it's just a matter of getting more financial resources?
CARSON: I think Jordan could take a lot more of the refugees than they're taking right now.
I don't see any reason, quite frankly, that some of the other nations in the area shouldn't also be asked to do it, so that you don't have to go through a big cultural change with them.
I particularly like Carson's comment about the refugees not having to go through a big cultural change.
I would need it shown, though, that these Arab nations would be willing to absorb that many refugees with the United States providing financial support.
Also, refugee camps are a temporary solution, not a permanent one. A refugee who relocates to the US would ultimately become an American.
Nonetheless, I think Carson's plan should certainly be explored.
