What Would It Take?

[Avatar4321]

If there is a God then why does he rely upon the gullible to be his followers?

If that is the criterion for the existence of God, that his followers believe and have faith that miracles were performed by channeling his power then it should be easy enough to do it again, right?

Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Plenty of them are currently praying for those suffering with Ebola. What are they asking of their God? That he free them of this pestilence? And what do we see happening? We see mankind mobilizing to free itself of this pestilence.

Therefore we are our own God. We created our God, we performed the miracles that we give him credit for but collectively We the People are God.

Does that answer your question?

when did you start following the Lord?

the scriptures teach us how we can know the Lord for ourselves.

 

[AVG-JOE]

On the other hand, what would it take for God to believe in you?

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[Hollie]

What would it take to prove a God?

What would it take to prove The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran?

I find the possibility of a God intriguing and I'm not certain that I don't believe that one exists. Either way, I'm convinced that if God is, She's way bigger than all of the ancient stories.

Proving The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran would require a sign for me.

Like video of a pillar of fire blocking a gay wedding.

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On the other hand, what would it take for God to believe in you?

All of the unionized gods with the International Brotherhood of Gawds, Inc., believe in me. If your gods are scabs, they need to join up and pay their dues.

 

[MrDVS1]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran, has, according to The Stories, apparently provided proofs to humanity before, like pillars of fire thwarting an evil king. I say that it's not unreasonable for us to ask for proof when a mere man, even an ancient man like Abraham, is seeking to establish the fact of a Divine Presence.


What does it take to prove a Divine Presence being described by another person to you?

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Scientific tricks do not prove the existence of a god, except to primitive minds.

 

[MrDVS1]

No one can prove god exists. No one can prove god doesn't exist. And it doesn't matter what GOD we are discussing. There have been over 2,500 gods/deities named. And EVERY religion is for sure they are the only god.

There is so proof that there is no god.....right wing extremists and all the other religious extremists.

 

[Derideo_Te]

If there is a God then why does he rely upon the gullible to be his followers?

If that is the criterion for the existence of God, that his followers believe and have faith that miracles were performed by channeling his power then it should be easy enough to do it again, right?

Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Plenty of them are currently praying for those suffering with Ebola. What are they asking of their God? That he free them of this pestilence? And what do we see happening? We see mankind mobilizing to free itself of this pestilence.

Therefore we are our own God. We created our God, we performed the miracles that we give him credit for but collectively We the People are God.

Does that answer your question?

when did you start following the Lord?

the scriptures teach us how we can know the Lord for ourselves.

I don't need to read your scriptures to know right from wrong, good from bad, love from hate, kindness from selfishness.

I remain true to myself and everything else follows naturally.

I give love freely and without reservation because I have an abundance to give.

I help others to achieve their best and thank them when they reach their goals.

I am not a follower, I am a leader.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If there is a God then why does he rely upon the gullible to be his followers?

If that is the criterion for the existence of God, that his followers believe and have faith that miracles were performed by channeling his power then it should be easy enough to do it again, right?

Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Plenty of them are currently praying for those suffering with Ebola. What are they asking of their God? That he free them of this pestilence? And what do we see happening? We see mankind mobilizing to free itself of this pestilence.

Therefore we are our own God. We created our God, we performed the miracles that we give him credit for but collectively We the People are God.

Does that answer your question?

Gullible?

Let's examine where 'gullible' really applies.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


Try this....if you say 'orange' really slowly, it sounds just like 'gullible.'

 

[Taz]

What would it take to prove a God?

the second coming should do nicely, thanks......

Sorry, Jesus only came once (with mary magdalen, that whore).

sad.....trolls used to be more clever.......

You don't believe anything in the bible is true anyways, so what the fuck do you care, you naive little man.

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

 

[PostmodernProph]

the second coming should do nicely, thanks......

Sorry, Jesus only came once (with mary magdalen, that whore).

sad.....trolls used to be more clever.......

You don't believe anything in the bible is true anyways, so what the fuck do you care, you naive little man.

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

 

[Taz]

Sorry, Jesus only came once (with mary magdalen, that whore).

sad.....trolls used to be more clever.......

You don't believe anything in the bible is true anyways, so what the fuck do you care, you naive little man.

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

 

[PostmodernProph]

sad.....trolls used to be more clever.......

You don't believe anything in the bible is true anyways, so what the fuck do you care, you naive little man.

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....not to mention the things people post here.....

 

[Taz]

You don't believe anything in the bible is true anyways, so what the fuck do you care, you naive little man.

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....not to mention the things people post here.....

The bible? I quote directly from the bible, it's you guys who distort the meaning. God said: "I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish." I'm not distorting, I'm asking: how did all the asians, blacks, indians... all come about? Not enough time for evolution to work, so how?
You're the king of deflections, watch, I bet you don't properly answer my questions, just deflect. Go ahead.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Let's examine where 'gullible' really applies.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


Try this....if you say 'orange' really slowly, it sounds just like 'gullible.'

I suppose that anyone who falls for that kind of generalized labeling schmear could be considered "gullible"...​

 

[Avatar4321]

If there is a God then why does he rely upon the gullible to be his followers?

If that is the criterion for the existence of God, that his followers believe and have faith that miracles were performed by channeling his power then it should be easy enough to do it again, right?

Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Plenty of them are currently praying for those suffering with Ebola. What are they asking of their God? That he free them of this pestilence? And what do we see happening? We see mankind mobilizing to free itself of this pestilence.

Therefore we are our own God. We created our God, we performed the miracles that we give him credit for but collectively We the People are God.

Does that answer your question?

when did you start following the Lord?

the scriptures teach us how we can know the Lord for ourselves.

I don't need to read your scriptures to know right from wrong, good from bad, love from hate, kindness from selfishness.

I remain true to myself and everything else follows naturally.

I give love freely and without reservation because I have an abundance to give.

I help others to achieve their best and thank them when they reach their goals.

I am not a follower, I am a leader.

all leaders are followers. All leaders are servants.


who exactly do you lead? Why do you seem to think ignoring thousands of years of wisdom and inspiration is a good thing?

 

[Derideo_Te]

If there is a God then why does he rely upon the gullible to be his followers?

If that is the criterion for the existence of God, that his followers believe and have faith that miracles were performed by channeling his power then it should be easy enough to do it again, right?

Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Plenty of them are currently praying for those suffering with Ebola. What are they asking of their God? That he free them of this pestilence? And what do we see happening? We see mankind mobilizing to free itself of this pestilence.

Therefore we are our own God. We created our God, we performed the miracles that we give him credit for but collectively We the People are God.

Does that answer your question?

Gullible?

Let's examine where 'gullible' really applies.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


Try this....if you say 'orange' really slowly, it sounds just like 'gullible.'

Gullible PoliticalSpice is now into "Mamet-speak"?

 

[Derideo_Te]

If there is a God then why does he rely upon the gullible to be his followers?

If that is the criterion for the existence of God, that his followers believe and have faith that miracles were performed by channeling his power then it should be easy enough to do it again, right?

Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Plenty of them are currently praying for those suffering with Ebola. What are they asking of their God? That he free them of this pestilence? And what do we see happening? We see mankind mobilizing to free itself of this pestilence.

Therefore we are our own God. We created our God, we performed the miracles that we give him credit for but collectively We the People are God.

Does that answer your question?

when did you start following the Lord?

the scriptures teach us how we can know the Lord for ourselves.

I don't need to read your scriptures to know right from wrong, good from bad, love from hate, kindness from selfishness.

I remain true to myself and everything else follows naturally.

I give love freely and without reservation because I have an abundance to give.

I help others to achieve their best and thank them when they reach their goals.

I am not a follower, I am a leader.

all leaders are followers. All leaders are servants.


who exactly do you lead? Why do you seem to think ignoring thousands of years of wisdom and inspiration is a good thing?

I am not interested in followers. You chose to be a servant and a follower. I choose to live my own life on my own terms.

You are wrong that I am "ignoring thousands of years of wisdom and inspiration". I have read that and moved on to read the knowledge and inspiration that has happened in the subsequent millenia. I continue to read and learn from the wisdom and knowledge that we are acquiring on a daily basis.

A leader does not need followers. A leader has a vision for the future and works towards that vision. If others choose to follow then that is their choice but the leader does not need the followers to accomplish the vision.

However if the vision is greater than the leader can accomplish alone then the leader needs to communicate their vision and convince others to help achieve that vision. That need depends upon the leader's vision of the future. Not every leader has that need.

All of this is news to you because you have chosen to be a follower. I have chosen my own path and I enjoy each day because I learn new insights and wisdom by having to tackle challenges that leaders, rather than follows, face.

 

[PostmodernProph]

You don't believe anything in the bible is true anyways, so what the fuck do you care, you naive little man.

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....not to mention the things people post here.....

The bible?

yes......

and given that I have properly answered your question four times already, I will not bother to do it again.....

 

[Taz]

???....but that's not a true statement.....is that a method you trolls use?....claiming I have said something that I have not said?.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....not to mention the things people post here.....

The bible?

yes......

and given that I have properly answered your question four times already, I will not bother to do it again.....

I don't distort the bible, i quote it. You distort it with your mito eve, no worldwide flood...

 

[Avatar4321]

If there is a God then why does he rely upon the gullible to be his followers?

If that is the criterion for the existence of God, that his followers believe and have faith that miracles were performed by channeling his power then it should be easy enough to do it again, right?

Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Plenty of them are currently praying for those suffering with Ebola. What are they asking of their God? That he free them of this pestilence? And what do we see happening? We see mankind mobilizing to free itself of this pestilence.

Therefore we are our own God. We created our God, we performed the miracles that we give him credit for but collectively We the People are God.

Does that answer your question?

when did you start following the Lord?

the scriptures teach us how we can know the Lord for ourselves.

I don't need to read your scriptures to know right from wrong, good from bad, love from hate, kindness from selfishness.

I remain true to myself and everything else follows naturally.

I give love freely and without reservation because I have an abundance to give.

I help others to achieve their best and thank them when they reach their goals.

I am not a follower, I am a leader.

all leaders are followers. All leaders are servants.


who exactly do you lead? Why do you seem to think ignoring thousands of years of wisdom and inspiration is a good thing?

I am not interested in followers. You chose to be a servant and a follower. I choose to live my own life on my own terms.

You are wrong that I am "ignoring thousands of years of wisdom and inspiration". I have read that and moved on to read the knowledge and inspiration that has happened in the subsequent millenia. I continue to read and learn from the wisdom and knowledge that we are acquiring on a daily basis.

A leader does not need followers. A leader has a vision for the future and works towards that vision. If others choose to follow then that is their choice but the leader does not need the followers to accomplish the vision.

However if the vision is greater than the leader can accomplish alone then the leader needs to communicate their vision and convince others to help achieve that vision. That need depends upon the leader's vision of the future. Not every leader has that need.

All of this is news to you because you have chosen to be a follower. I have chosen my own path and I enjoy each day because I learn new insights and wisdom by having to tackle challenges that leaders, rather than follows, face.

seriously? By definition a leader is someone who leads people who follow. If no one follows you, you aren't leading. It require at least two people for someone to be a leader.

also for someone professing an independent mind you sure sound like everyone other person who claims to be "independent".

there is a saying "wise men think alike and fools rarely differ." the question we all need to ask ourselves is which are we?

 

[Avatar4321]

So you're a pick and chooser, some stuff you like so you believe and some stuff you can't fit into your little fantasy world, so you simply don't believe it. So at best, you're a half-Christian who admits that a lot of the bible is bullshit. Ya, that should get you into heaven, god loves hypocrites.

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....

and you're an annoying troll who only reads that part of the Bible he thinks he can use against Christians if he distorts it enough.......that certainly isn't going to get you into heaven, either.....

What am I distorting?

???....the Bible.....not to mention the things people post here.....

The bible?

yes......

and given that I have properly answered your question four times already, I will not bother to do it again.....

I don't distort the bible, i quote it. You distort it with your mito eve, no worldwide flood...

even the devil quotes the bible