What Will be the Impacts of the Collapse of Mainstream Protestant Denominations?

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Right here, Einstein: any mention of creating forces will by default include the 1959 Miller-Urey volcanic spark experiment.

Radical atheists will take on the pathologies of all religions, islam included.

I have a garbage disposal attached to my kitchen sink that’s called Badger 2.
Just sayin’...

 

[JimBowie1958]

Maybe Christianity will go back to its roots. It did start out as socialist and spread rapidly. Alas, once it had achieved political power the Church became authoritarian and an enemy of Christians and Christianity.

I doubt it. Christianity had no "socialist" roots and an agrarian Bronze Age communitarian society was about as socialist as a den of rabbits.

Socialism did not even exist until the late 18th century. Jeeeebus Christ!

Is that they teach people in schools these days? Did this come to you in a dream? Been smoking herbs again? Trying to
put a pretty bow on socialism? I'm laughing at you right now.

You might want to review your Church history, starting with Paul. BTW, Jesus was born in the Iron Age.

The Characteristics of the early Church can be summarized as follows:

1. They devoted themselves to the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship.
2. They lived communal life; they had everything common.
3. They broke Bread together. This means they took Holy Communion together.
4. The rich and others sold their properties and possessions and brought all the money to the apostles’ feet.
5. They worshipped in the temple daily.
6. They distributed food and clothing to all the members, as any had need.
7. They prayed Together.
8. They were always praising God.
9. They ate food with glad and generous hearts.
10. Everybody worked for the good of others in order to build a strong Church .
​

Sounds a lot like a socialist utopia to me.

The First Century church was socialist-ish, small 's'.

Obviously it did not subscribe to formal Socialist ideology and we seem to be conflating the two different things somehow.

 

[badger2]

Apparitions? Strange sounds and odors? Funky in the 'hood? Call BR 549 (24-hour service).

 

[Soupnazi630]

This nation was founded by Anglicans, and when the Revolution was successful they formally broke from the national church of England and became Episcopalians. And the sister denominations (Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Northern Baptists, etc) that are clerically tied to the Episcopalian church in the US are collapsing also, given the Marxist rot that infects the clergy of all these denominations.

So what happens when the most powerful Establishment denominations collapse in this way?

They get replaced by a) coalitions of other denominations, b) ideological systems, c) Apatheists.

Of course the number one ideology that falls into both b) and c) is the ideological poison of Marxism, and I think the popularity of 'Socialism' as a word if not an actual economic system is also rising as a result.

How will this impact the US if a coalition of Catholic traditionalists, Evangelicals, and Pentecostals replace the Mainstream denominations? I think we are already seeing this in the Trump ascendance.

It seems pretty clear that Mainstream Protestants are cold on Trump while the rest of organized Christianity seems to be sliding into supporting him if they did not already do so.

Note that this chart does not cover the pentecostal movement which is lead by the Assemblies of God in numerical terms and accounts for about 10% of the total US population and continues to grow.

But thhe real question here is that the religiously unaffiliated seem to be mostly main stream Protestants that are socially replacing Main Stream Protestants across the nation.

This is a huge social change and I see little discussion or reflective thought regarding it.

Maybe Christianity will go back to its roots. It did start out as socialist and spread rapidly. Alas, once it had achieved political power the Church became authoritarian and an enemy of Christians and Christianity.

It was never socialist even in it's roots.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Maybe Christianity will go back to its roots. It did start out as socialist and spread rapidly. Alas, once it had achieved political power the Church became authoritarian and an enemy of Christians and Christianity.

I doubt it. Christianity had no "socialist" roots and an agrarian Bronze Age communitarian society was about as socialist as a den of rabbits.

Socialism did not even exist until the late 18th century. Jeeeebus Christ!

Is that they teach people in schools these days? Did this come to you in a dream? Been smoking herbs again? Trying to
put a pretty bow on socialism? I'm laughing at you right now.

You might want to review your Church history, starting with Paul. BTW, Jesus was born in the Iron Age.

The Characteristics of the early Church can be summarized as follows:

1. They devoted themselves to the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship.
2. They lived communal life; they had everything common.
3. They broke Bread together. This means they took Holy Communion together.
4. The rich and others sold their properties and possessions and brought all the money to the apostles’ feet.
5. They worshipped in the temple daily.
6. They distributed food and clothing to all the members, as any had need.
7. They prayed Together.
8. They were always praising God.
9. They ate food with glad and generous hearts.
10. Everybody worked for the good of others in order to build a strong Church .
​

Sounds a lot like a socialist utopia to me.

Clearly you so not grasp socialism .

Socialism is never about voluntary sharing and cooperation with others. It is never even about communal living.

Socialism is always about forcing others to share and live cooperatively without the voluntary part.

 

[alang1216]

Clearly you so not grasp socialism .

Socialism is never about voluntary sharing and cooperation with others. It is never even about communal living.

Socialism is always about forcing others to share and live cooperatively without the voluntary part.

What I don't grasp is what is your version of socialism based on since there is no socialist governing body.

If you are free to join or not join an organization but if you don't join you believe you'll be tortured for all eternity, do you really have a choice?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Clearly you so not grasp socialism .

Socialism is never about voluntary sharing and cooperation with others. It is never even about communal living.

Socialism is always about forcing others to share and live cooperatively without the voluntary part.

What I don't grasp is what is your version of socialism based on since there is no socialist governing body.

If you are free to join or not join an organization but if you don't join you believe you'll be tortured for all eternity, do you really have a choice?

There is no socialism without a governing body.

The earliest christians did not offer such a choice.

Socialism is by definition about authoritarianism over others.

 

[alang1216]

Socialism is by definition about authoritarianism over others.

Is the socialism of Europe authoritarian?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Socialism is by definition about authoritarianism over others.

Is the socialism of Europe authoritarian?

Of course it is

 

[pismoe]

Do you want it or not, the future of the entirely western world is Islamic Caliphate.
In ten years Europa, in twenty Canada, in thirty USA.
Only Russia can probably withstand it because it has a thousand years long experience in peaceful coexistence with Muslims.

Stupid liberals dared to fight God. They deliberately destroyed Christianity which is now practically dead.
But they've forgotten, no one state can live without God.

Islam takes the empty place, more and more.

The sad Truth is if you or yours want to survive you shall already now begin to study Quran.

Islam is doomed.

Islam cannot survive an informed and educated populace.

The radicals in Iran and Turkey are a last dying gasp of a cult that is well past it's sell by date.

--------------------------- hope so !!

 

[whitehall]

What collapse? By the looks of the confusing graph it seems that religious affiliation is rising.

 

[JimBowie1958]

If you are free to join or not join an organization but if you don't join you believe you'll be tortured for all eternity, do you really have a choice?

Yes, you do.

 

[JimBowie1958]

What collapse? By the looks of the confusing graph it seems that religious affiliation is rising.

Ok, Whitehall, time to find where you left your reading glasses.

Suggestion; ask your wife, lol.

 

[alang1216]

Socialism is by definition about authoritarianism over others.

Is the socialism of Europe authoritarian?

Of course it is

So Denmark and the other Nordic countries are run by an authoritarian regimes? I thought they were democracies. Maybe the problem is that you don't understand what a democracy is?

 

[alang1216]

If you are free to join or not join an organization but if you don't join you believe you'll be tortured for all eternity, do you really have a choice?

Yes, you do.

I think we have a fundamental disagreement as to what constitutes 'choice'. If you pull a gun on me and demand my money, I can choose to die but that is not what I'd call choice, I'd call it coercion.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You might want to review your Church history, starting with Paul. BTW, Jesus was born in the Iron Age.

How about Moses? Noah? Abraham? When were they born?
Christianity did not begin with the birth of Jesus and he was a reformer creating a new covenant with God that superseded the Old Testament.

The Characteristics of the early Church can be summarized as follows:
1. They devoted themselves to the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship.
2. They lived communal life; they had everything common.
3. They broke Bread together. This means they took Holy Communion together.
4. The rich and others sold their properties and possessions and brought all the money to the apostles’ feet.
5. They worshipped in the temple daily.
6. They distributed food and clothing to all the members, as any had need.
7. They prayed Together.
8. They were always praising God.
9. They ate food with glad and generous hearts.
10. Everybody worked for the good of others in order to build a strong Church .
Sounds a lot like a socialist utopia to me.

NONE of this constitutes socialism which is a very specific economic
form of governance. Repeat....NONE of this!
Christianity is a religion and socialism is a form of governance.

Read post #18 if you haven't already done so, which it seems like you haven't. Sharing, assisting and supporting other members of your church is not socialism. It is cooperative communitarianism, if anything. Communitarianism in the name of Jesus and the church.
And a belief in God and Jesus is requisite in Christianity...not so much in socialism.
Christianity is self motivated altruism...socialism is government imposed redistribution of wealth....a Very Big Difference.

You are trying to conflate socialism with Christianity in order to give socialism some moral authority or high ground
it may or may not have. It usually doesn't. Here is a list of socialist states: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Pick out the one or ones you find morally superior.

 

[alang1216]

You are trying to conflate socialism with Christianity in order to give socialism some moral authority or high ground
it may or may not have. It usually doesn't. Here is a list of socialist states: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Pick out the one or ones you find morally superior.

I don't believe either Christianity or socialism has any moral authority, they are just what their leaders and members make of them.

Both Norway and Denmark have been led by socialist parties so I'll go with those. Socialists are strong in most European countries.

 

[badger2]

Post #18 contradicts itself. We will address this pathology at another time, because we do not have the pertinent text at hand.. Moral superiority is the pathology. The attempt at transcendence is the pathology. We will show how the reasoning (and contradiction) in post #18 cannot escape from sentences 3 and 4. One can track the fascism of religions starting from OP's ideology @ ( b). It is a concept of interest for our biocultural investigation.

 

[TNHarley]

Maybe Christianity will go back to its roots. It did start out as socialist and spread rapidly. Alas, once it had achieved political power the Church became authoritarian and an enemy of Christians and Christianity.

I doubt it. Christianity had no "socialist" roots and an agrarian Bronze Age communitarian society was about as socialist as a den of rabbits.

Socialism did not even exist until the late 18th century. Jeeeebus Christ!

Is that they teach people in schools these days? Did this come to you in a dream? Been smoking herbs again? Trying to
put a pretty bow on socialism? I'm laughing at you right now.

You might want to review your Church history, starting with Paul. BTW, Jesus was born in the Iron Age.

The Characteristics of the early Church can be summarized as follows:

1. They devoted themselves to the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship.
2. They lived communal life; they had everything common.
3. They broke Bread together. This means they took Holy Communion together.
4. The rich and others sold their properties and possessions and brought all the money to the apostles’ feet.
5. They worshipped in the temple daily.
6. They distributed food and clothing to all the members, as any had need.
7. They prayed Together.
8. They were always praising God.
9. They ate food with glad and generous hearts.
10. Everybody worked for the good of others in order to build a strong Church .
​

Sounds a lot like a socialist utopia to me.

Except they did it because they wanted to. Not by force
Huge difference

 

[alang1216]

Maybe Christianity will go back to its roots. It did start out as socialist and spread rapidly. Alas, once it had achieved political power the Church became authoritarian and an enemy of Christians and Christianity.

I doubt it. Christianity had no "socialist" roots and an agrarian Bronze Age communitarian society was about as socialist as a den of rabbits.

Socialism did not even exist until the late 18th century. Jeeeebus Christ!

Is that they teach people in schools these days? Did this come to you in a dream? Been smoking herbs again? Trying to
put a pretty bow on socialism? I'm laughing at you right now.

You might want to review your Church history, starting with Paul. BTW, Jesus was born in the Iron Age.

The Characteristics of the early Church can be summarized as follows:

1. They devoted themselves to the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship.
2. They lived communal life; they had everything common.
3. They broke Bread together. This means they took Holy Communion together.
4. The rich and others sold their properties and possessions and brought all the money to the apostles’ feet.
5. They worshipped in the temple daily.
6. They distributed food and clothing to all the members, as any had need.
7. They prayed Together.
8. They were always praising God.
9. They ate food with glad and generous hearts.
10. Everybody worked for the good of others in order to build a strong Church .
​

Sounds a lot like a socialist utopia to me.

Except they did it because they wanted to. Not by force
Huge difference

It was a very enlightened time, I'm sure all the children and wives, slaves and servants got to choose what they wanted to do.