What Will be the Impacts of the Collapse of Mainstream Protestant Denominations?

[Eric Arthur Blair]

It was a very enlightened time, I'm sure all the children and wives, slaves and servants got to choose what they wanted to do.

Interesting and telling gaffe.
I said Christians helped the poor and homeless because they wanted to please God. Not because the government took their money and decided for themselves who it should go to.

But you seem to think it's wrong for some powerful entity to demand you do what they want instead of what you want.

I agree with you finally.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Socialism is by definition about authoritarianism over others.

Is the socialism of Europe authoritarian?

Of course it is

So Denmark and the other Nordic countries are run by an authoritarian regimes? I thought they were democracies. Maybe the problem is that you don't understand what a democracy is?

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.

Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

 

[alang1216]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.

Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.

Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

I said nothing about a government being a dictatorship

 

[JimBowie1958]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.
Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

OMG, puhleeez stop it with the navel gazing pooflah.

Our government is far far far away from being a dictatorship.

And you waste your time arguing with anarchist/Liebertarians to convince them otherwise.

 

[22lcidw]

Socialism is by definition about authoritarianism over others.

Is the socialism of Europe authoritarian?

Yes it is. Increasingly people can not say anything about different groups and are jailed for it. We talk about walls, but Paris put a wall around the Eiffel Tower. The bastion of middle east immigration has worked wonders.

 

[caddo kid]

this has nothing to do with 'Current Events' ...............

............... needs to be in the 'Religion and Ethics' sub forum

 

[alang1216]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.

Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

I said nothing about a government being a dictatorship

My bad, when you wrote, "government force is violence and authoritarian", I equated that to a dictatorship. Maybe you can explain what you mean?

 

[alang1216]

Socialism is by definition about authoritarianism over others.

Is the socialism of Europe authoritarian?

Yes it is. Increasingly people can not say anything about different groups and are jailed for it. We talk about walls, but Paris put a wall around the Eiffel Tower. The bastion of middle east immigration has worked wonders.

Is the socialism of Europe more authoritarian than other governments/societies? Examples please.

 

[alang1216]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.
Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

OMG, puhleeez stop it with the navel gazing pooflah.

Our government is far far far away from being a dictatorship.

And you waste your time arguing with anarchist/Liebertarians to convince them otherwise.

Is anything on the USMB NOT a waste of time? Still, I enjoy hearing other viewpoints, especially anarchists and libertarians. Is that what you are Mr. Soupnazi630?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Is anything on the USMB NOT a waste of time? Still, I enjoy hearing other viewpoints, especially anarchists and libertarians.

I used to enjoy discussions with ideologues, back when I took them as basicly honest people.

But they are not honest, and will lie for the cause without fail, and use their own special definitions for words that in the vernacular sound provocative, but once you see what they are doing it is all horse crap.

No, criticizing one minority is not 'attacking' all minorities whether they are women, blacks, hispanics, gay or whatever.

No, taxes are not theft, especially in a democractic Republic like ours.

these semantic pig wrestling games are for losers and nitwits.

 

[alang1216]

Is anything on the USMB NOT a waste of time? Still, I enjoy hearing other viewpoints, especially anarchists and libertarians.

I used to enjoy discussions with ideologues, back when I took them as basicly honest people.

But they are not honest, and will lie for the cause without fail, and use their own special definitions for words that in the vernacular sound provocative, but once you see what they are doing it is all horse crap.

No, criticizing one minority is not 'attacking' all minorities whether they are women, blacks, hispanics, gay or whatever.

No, taxes are not theft, especially in a democractic Republic like ours.

these semantic pig wrestling games are for losers and nitwits.

All zealots start with "truth" and go from there. They don't really lie so much as they're blinded by "their" truth.

Everyone enjoys games, not just losers and nitwits.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

This nation was founded by Anglicans, and when the Revolution was successful they formally broke from the national church of England and became Episcopalians. And the sister denominations (Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Northern Baptists, etc) that are clerically tied to the Episcopalian church in the US are collapsing also, given the Marxist rot that infects the clergy of all these denominations.

So what happens when the most powerful Establishment denominations collapse in this way?

They get replaced by a) coalitions of other denominations, b) ideological systems, c) Apatheists.

Of course the number one ideology that falls into both b) and c) is the ideological poison of Marxism, and I think the popularity of 'Socialism' as a word if not an actual economic system is also rising as a result.

How will this impact the US if a coalition of Catholic traditionalists, Evangelicals, and Pentecostals replace the Mainstream denominations? I think we are already seeing this in the Trump ascendance.

It seems pretty clear that Mainstream Protestants are cold on Trump while the rest of organized Christianity seems to be sliding into supporting him if they did not already do so.

Note that this chart does not cover the pentecostal movement which is lead by the Assemblies of God in numerical terms and accounts for about 10% of the total US population and continues to grow.

But thhe real question here is that the religiously unaffiliated seem to be mostly main stream Protestants that are socially replacing Main Stream Protestants across the nation.

This is a huge social change and I see little discussion or reflective thought regarding it.

What will be the impact? Hopefully, fewer people wasting their time on that nonsense.

 

[JimBowie1958]

All zealots start with "truth" and go from there. They don't really lie so much as they're blinded by "their" truth.
Everyone enjoys games, not just losers and nitwits.

Believing in Objective Truth does not make a person a zealot.
Insisting that only your perspective of that Truth is valid is what gives way to zealotry.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.

Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

I said nothing about a government being a dictatorship

My bad, when you wrote, "government force is violence and authoritarian", I equated that to a dictatorship. Maybe you can explain what you mean?

Government force is violent and authoritarian, all the time.

The only question is what limits are placed on the government? When and how can they use force?

 

[alang1216]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.

Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

I said nothing about a government being a dictatorship

My bad, when you wrote, "government force is violence and authoritarian", I equated that to a dictatorship. Maybe you can explain what you mean?

Government force is violent and authoritarian, all the time.

The only question is what limits are placed on the government? When and how can they use force?

Is gov't force used and sanctioned by a democratically elected citizenry, authoritarian? Are you an anarchist or libertarian?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Whether or not people vote for it government force is violence and authoritarian.

Dictatorship of the mob is still dictatorship

Is there any government that is not a dictatorship?

I said nothing about a government being a dictatorship

My bad, when you wrote, "government force is violence and authoritarian", I equated that to a dictatorship. Maybe you can explain what you mean?

Government force is violent and authoritarian, all the time.

The only question is what limits are placed on the government? When and how can they use force?

Is gov't force used and sanctioned by a democratically elected citizenry, authoritarian? Are you an anarchist or libertarian?

Yes it is and no I am not

 

[Mike Dwight]

To the OP. Someone test my expertise on these matters! Nothing is more False than "Mainstream Protestant"! We make up these crazy labels! Mainstream Protestant is some sort of normalization of the American Revolutions of religion! If I make the TINY assumption that your Religion is going to unite all Nations in Christ, and your religion only has a sizable United States Population, then I choose to discount your religion! Then count Reformed, Catholic, and Orthodox, END. If the ACTUAL Presbyterians wished to be called Presbyterians, then why did the Solemn League and Covenant and the Covenanters choose to "uphold Reformed religion in Scotland, England, and Ireland". Then the martyrs of that religion are Reformed.

If Methodism's famous Christmas Meeting shows already some middleground with Catholicism. Then that's the point of Anglicanism too, that non-Theologians, the Monarchy, moderate the discussion going on with the revolutionary Reformists.

Someone didn't pay attention since Elementary School! The original Colony of the English was the fleeing refugee religious Pilgrimage Puritans. These Reformed persons lost their zeal and church organization in the 1800s and Mostly to the Presbyterians. I'm interested in how the Presbyterians inherit the keys of the religious character of America, and how they are doing this in a False character today. A Nation established in a Scottish rite would be better for it.

In fact, to say that Anglicans founded the Country, you may Call George Washington an Anglican as a stereotype, but when all the Anglican Clergy LEFT in terror, founded with reasons or probably not, then that would be an incredible claim if sourced.

Sorry! I have more to say! People rarely understand the ART of actually looking up and understanding what a CHURCH GOVERNMENT is actually looking to accomplish! They don't get TV Time, not all of them want one. You said the "Establishment Churches". A majority of these do Not believe in directing the worldly government. Baptists will then lean more on Their tradition against government and church, more than they lean on the Government's own position of Government outside Church, Obviously. The idea of Establishing the religion to collect taxes for its support among countrymen exists in England, Scotland and I bet a few other countries.

Taking the route of the Patriarch of Moscow, forget the order of the rest of the world, now PCUSA is excommunicated by Mexico, and should be, by AnyBody normalizing a Christian body.

 

[alang1216]

Is gov't force used and sanctioned by a democratically elected citizenry, authoritarian? Are you an anarchist or libertarian?

Yes it is and no I am not

I'm guessing you don't approve of gov't force. Do you approve of police in the US when they use force?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Is gov't force used and sanctioned by a democratically elected citizenry, authoritarian? Are you an anarchist or libertarian?

Yes it is and no I am not

I'm guessing you don't approve of gov't force. Do you approve of police in the US when they use force?

I approve of very limited government force including police force. What I do not approve of is anyone on either side of the political spectrum using government force to force others how to live.

Laws which forbid criminal acts make sense. Laws which mandate people behave or act in a certain way do not and they always fail.