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Maybe you missed that first sentence.Foxy,So Maggie has completed some on line course I guess that allows her to know exactly what every single conservative thinks about everything. Takes some pretty big balls to know all that and be so positive about what anything thinks about everything.
And Nosmo thinks I'm a troll.
Well, oh well. He has lots of company.
When was the last time you or any of the other responsible Conservatives here framed your arguments with the stilted notion that Liberals=Socialists=Communists?
We have been suffering through what happens to boards from time to time. A new crop of Beck Acolytes have landed here and just aren't thinking too deeply at all.
How are we expected to have decent repartee and debate when we first have to show these mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns a dictionary defining political ideologies? They frame every debate with a loaded question and then scoff at reasoned, well developed replies.
I rarely frame liberals in the socialist/communist framework unless it is obvious that it applies. And I defend liberals about as often as you defend conservatives or give them any credit for anything. Fair enough?
And you have included me with those mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns even as you insist on defining political ideologies with a dictionary rather than the realities of what modern American conservatism and liberalism is.
You and I have had some civil debates. I am disappointed now that you see only the conservatives engaging in loaded questions and uncivil debate. To me that is really laughable.
When was the last time you or any of the other responsible Conservatives here framed your arguments with the stilted notion that Liberals=Socialists=Communists?
He is quite prescient.Well if you read and read and read then you would know that Glenn Beck was correct. Everything he predicted is now in the news. Still waiting for a few Facts..............
Maybe you missed that first sentence.Foxy,
When was the last time you or any of the other responsible Conservatives here framed your arguments with the stilted notion that Liberals=Socialists=Communists?
We have been suffering through what happens to boards from time to time. A new crop of Beck Acolytes have landed here and just aren't thinking too deeply at all.
How are we expected to have decent repartee and debate when we first have to show these mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns a dictionary defining political ideologies? They frame every debate with a loaded question and then scoff at reasoned, well developed replies.
I rarely frame liberals in the socialist/communist framework unless it is obvious that it applies. And I defend liberals about as often as you defend conservatives or give them any credit for anything. Fair enough?
And you have included me with those mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns even as you insist on defining political ideologies with a dictionary rather than the realities of what modern American conservatism and liberalism is.
You and I have had some civil debates. I am disappointed now that you see only the conservatives engaging in loaded questions and uncivil debate. To me that is really laughable.When was the last time you or any of the other responsible Conservatives here framed your arguments with the stilted notion that Liberals=Socialists=Communists?
I'm talking about the new trolls. The Beck sycophants who won't debate with a Liberal. they frame each liberal as a Socialist/Communist.
you know that I am a Liberal. You further know that I'm not a socialist.
I know that you're a Conservative, not one of the trap door minded trolls who don't know anything other than what the John Birch Society and the paranoid idiot Beck have to say.
Okay, I did misread the first sentence. And I am glad you don't see me as a troll or the several other uncomplimemtary adjectives used. 
Looking at the crowd of the Glenn Beck rally it looked like the population of the US in 1776, white and Christian.
Those white Christians of 1776 had many good values but they did not understand or respect racial diversity. They basically stole the land from the Native Americans. They brought Aficans to America to be slaves.
Our founding Father's understood that was not right and put a structure together to allow us to be more accepting of diversity.
Glenn Beck wants to turn the back the clock and have a society for white Christians. In 1776 there were approximately 5,000,000 US citizens and they were almost all white and Christian. Today there are over 300,000,000 us citizens. The whites are predicted to be a minority by 2025. Our founding Fathers based our country on freedom of religion and many religions flourish in the USA.
Glenn Beck's values do not represent who the USA is today, they represent who the USA was in 1776; a white, Christian society.
Glenn Beck is a paid entertainer. So, 1) who gives a shit what he wants, and 2) why is this in the politics section?
Obviously, all the folks at the rally cared what he wants. Glenn Beck is a political commentator.
Rallies like Beck had are just pity parties for people who because they are rightwingers, are, as history has proven time and again, on the wrong side of history,
and who now, because of the advances in media and communications, can get more people to watch and listen to them whine about it.
Leave Pat Buchanan out of your list of loony conservative pundits please. And the only reason the loons *scare* me is that they have some mystical ability to draw in way too many people, which speaks to the level of intelligence anymore which is usually accomplished by education and the ability to recognize the difference between fact and embellished fact, or in Beck's case, pure fiction.
What does Glen Beck say that isn't true?
A rhetorical question. Do you really want me to link several thousand pages you can find on Google (or YouTube)?
Beck has no power. He can't submit a bill or vote on a life or death issue. He gives his analysis of politics on a cable network that isn't supported by the government. Why is the left so concerned about a single political editorialist when the world is going to hell in a handbasket? Two reasons maybe. The posters have no opinion of their own and are being fed by left wing propaganda talking point blogs or the left is really afraid of free speech.
Except I think we can all agree that yelling "fire" in a crowded room when there is no fire isn't "free speech." It's what Glenn Beck does, though.
Faith
Hope
Charity
Humility
Honesty
Integrity
Honor
Hard work
Self-education
Thrift
Industry
Empowerment
Self-government
Self-respect
Personal Responsibility
Self Sacrifice
Want more? I'm sure I could come up with more. Perhaps if you actually listened to Glenn you wouldn't have to ask such obvious questions.
The British were far less oppressive to the American colonists prior to the Revolutionary War than those same American colonists were to their "human property" - black African slaves.The Hypocrisy of The American Revolution for Freedom
The argument that "The American Revolution was simply about political freedom from Great Britain" is fallacious because it ignores other, significant, internal struggles for freedom and rights on the part of African Americans, Native Americans, and women. The argument may conform to the conventional view of the Revolution, but it ignores the complicated reality of American life at that time, in which these three groups were effectively excluded from the halls of power and freedom. There was much hypocrisy on the part of the white, wealthy, male leaders of the Revolution insofar as they rebelled against the oppression of the British while at the same time oppressing African Americans, women, and Native Americans.
With respect to the plight of African Americans at the time of the Revolutionary War, Frey makes clear that they were engaged in a struggle for freedom from the greatest oppression--slavery-- while their oppressors prepared to fight and fought against other, far lesser oppression.
Beck's only value is greed.
So Maggie has completed some on line course I guess that allows her to know exactly what every single conservative thinks about everything. Takes some pretty big balls to know all that and be so positive about what anything thinks about everything.
And Nosmo thinks I'm a troll.
Well, oh well. He has lots of company.
You really need to keep up with what's happening in the Real World. The world has changed since Feb. Here are a few links as to what is actually happening in the world today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/weekinreview/20proxy.html?_r=1
The Bahrain crisis and its regional dangers | The Middle East Channel
Adrian Hamilton: The end of the world as we know it - Adrian Hamilton, Commentators - The Independent
Commentary: The Coming Shia War | The National Interest
The world economy: From tsunamis to Typhoons | The Economist
Read up some before sending me old crap links..........
Oh gee, thanks for the heads up. Like I don't read two newspapers every day, two weekly news magazines, subscribe to several online sites, and, had you been around long enough, would know that I thoroughly source every word I say, which means I read read read read read, and then form opinions.
Those "old crap" links weren't old at all, dear. And I thought it would make you happy that they weren't links to leftist sites. But then perhaps that's why you're upset?
Well if you read and read and read then you would know that Glenn Beck was correct. Everything he predicted is now in the news. Still waiting for a few Facts..............
He is quite prescient.Well if you read and read and read then you would know that Glenn Beck was correct. Everything he predicted is now in the news. Still waiting for a few Facts..............
Maybe you missed that first sentence.I rarely frame liberals in the socialist/communist framework unless it is obvious that it applies. And I defend liberals about as often as you defend conservatives or give them any credit for anything. Fair enough?
And you have included me with those mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns even as you insist on defining political ideologies with a dictionary rather than the realities of what modern American conservatism and liberalism is.
You and I have had some civil debates. I am disappointed now that you see only the conservatives engaging in loaded questions and uncivil debate. To me that is really laughable.When was the last time you or any of the other responsible Conservatives here framed your arguments with the stilted notion that Liberals=Socialists=Communists?
I'm talking about the new trolls. The Beck sycophants who won't debate with a Liberal. they frame each liberal as a Socialist/Communist.
you know that I am a Liberal. You further know that I'm not a socialist.
I know that you're a Conservative, not one of the trap door minded trolls who don't know anything other than what the John Birch Society and the paranoid idiot Beck have to say.
LOL. You silver tongued devil.
One thing I do dislike in message boarding is that if you do criticize somebody, there are too many to accuse you of seeing that person as totally bad, corrupt, unacceptable, evil, or whatever.
And if you compliment somebody or see good in somebody, there are too many to accuse you of being a brainwashed fanatic holding the person up as god or whatever.
Whether it is Kristol or Obama or anybody here on USMB commenting on him, Beck is neither the devil nor a delusional fanatic as many here would like to paint him and/or describe him. Neither is he infallible in everything he says as some say Beck admirers believe.
I long for a really grown up group in which people don't have to be damned in order to be challenged or in which people don't have to be saints in order to be complimented.
Beck gets far more right than he does wrong. I wish there were more who would explore that and could do so without trashing him sometimes in the most hateful manner possible.
What does Glen Beck say that isn't true?
A rhetorical question. Do you really want me to link several thousand pages you can find on Google (or YouTube)?
Yeah ~ A reputable source in context
Beck has no power. He can't submit a bill or vote on a life or death issue. He gives his analysis of politics on a cable network that isn't supported by the government. Why is the left so concerned about a single political editorialist when the world is going to hell in a handbasket? Two reasons maybe. The posters have no opinion of their own and are being fed by left wing propaganda talking point blogs or the left is really afraid of free speech.
Except I think we can all agree that yelling "fire" in a crowded room when there is no fire isn't "free speech." It's what Glenn Beck does, though.
Do you actually watch Beck. Everything I read from you is your opinion. Where are your facts?? When did Beck yell fire??
I only ask because you are full of opinion without much fact....
Whether it's calculated or simply force of habit, Beck has a formula that spikes his ratings AND lets him off the hook for his trash talk. It's a 3-part formula.
1. Remind the audience that he made some nebulous prediction 6 months ago that is supposedly coming true now based on some random fact that has nothing to do with anything.
2. Tell the audience that the state of things in our country on this issue are THE WORST THEYVE EVER BEEN AND THE HARBINGER OF DOOM
3. Clean up the hate-mongering by saying "Now I hope and pray that things can get better. If we all work hard and make a change personally, these vast sweeping changes happening in corridors of power that you dont have an influence on...MIGHT change."
Seriously. Listen to Beck this afternoon. You'll hear that formula a thousand times.
His tried and true believers will get inflamed by the second comment, cite to the first comment as "proof"...but then not be calmed by the third comment at all. Net effect - manipulated audience.
