What values does Glenn Beck want to return us to?

[MaggieMae]

Could you please link where you are getting your "FACTS" as to exactly what he has been completely inaccurate about or where he has gone off on conspiracy theories that no one in their right mind can understand?? Otherwise You are giving me your Completely Useless Opinion. I don't have the time or need for Your Opinion.
So when you bring some facts to discuss we can maybe have a conversation.
Until then You Lose Sucker ~

Would you believe Bill Kristol?

Stand for Freedom | The Weekly Standard

So, whatever our differences in historical interpretation or foreign policy tactics, we agree with our skeptical comrade that the United States must support the Egyptian awakening, and has a paramount moral and strategic interest in real democracy in Egypt and freedom for the Egyptian people. The question is how the U.S. government can do its best to help the awakening turn out well.

In his column, Krauthammer refers to the French, Russian, and Iranian revolutions. They all turned out badly. But before 1789 was 1776. After 1917, there was 1989. And after 1979, there was also 2009, when the Obama administration shamefully and foolishly did nothing to help topple the most dangerous regime in the Middle East.

Furthermore, in the last quarter century, there have been transitions from allied dictatorships to allied democracies in Chile, South Korea, the Philippines, and Indonesia, to name only a few. The United States has played a role in helping those transitions turn out (reasonably) well. America needn’t be passive or fretful or defensive. We can help foster one outcome over another. As Krauthammer puts it, “Elections will be held. The primary U.S. objective is to guide a transition period that gives secular democrats a chance.”

Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it’s a sign of health that a political and intellectual movement does not respond to a complicated set of developments with one voice.

But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He’s marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

Nor is it a sign of health when other American conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that they side with the dictator against the democrats. Rather, it’s a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans, of short-sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives, of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American conservative tradition.

Or how about Bill O'Reilly who cornered Beck with questions he couldn't answer?

Bill O

Those are only two of many conservatives who think Glenn Beck has more than just a few screws loose.

You really need to keep up with what's happening in the Real World. The world has changed since Feb. Here are a few links as to what is actually happening in the world today.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/weekinreview/20proxy.html?_r=1

The Bahrain crisis and its regional dangers | The Middle East Channel

Adrian Hamilton: The end of the world as we know it - Adrian Hamilton, Commentators - The Independent

Commentary: The Coming Shia War | The National Interest

The world economy: From tsunamis to Typhoons | The Economist

Read up some before sending me old crap links..........

Oh gee, thanks for the heads up. Like I don't read two newspapers every day, two weekly news magazines, subscribe to several online sites, and, had you been around long enough, would know that I thoroughly source every word I say, which means I read read read read read, and then form opinions.

Those "old crap" links weren't old at all, dear. And I thought it would make you happy that they weren't links to leftist sites. But then perhaps that's why you're upset?

 

[Nosmo King]

The one thing MaggieMae and some others keep confusing is that 'conservative' and "Republican" are not synonymous and, while conservatives do agree on the simplest core principle of conservatism which is self governance within the recognition and protection of unalienable rights, there are no two conservatives that agree on the best way or right way to handle every single issue. There are no two conservatives that see every single issue in exactly the same way. Oh yes, there are.

Conservatives can and do disagree and debate each other passionately without abdicating their conservative credentials. Beck and O'Reilly do disagree at times though they are the best of friends and spend a LOT of time together, professionally and socially. No true conservative is going to be assigned talking points to say, be told what to believe, or feel he or she has to march in lockstep with the consensus of the day or the politically correct stance of the day.

People are conservative because they've arrived at a particular point of view and not because they've picked a side or agreed to accept what they've been told.

And even when they disagree they may neither be necessarily wrong,

At least one person who agrees with me on that:

On his radio show Monday, Glenn Beck hit back hard at Bill Kristol over comments Kristol made in a recent column.

"People like Bill Kristol ... I don't think they stand for anything anymore," said Beck. "All they stand for is power. They'll do anything to keep their little fiefdom together, and they'll do anything to keep the Republican power entrenched."

Beck was responding to a Weekly Standard column Kristol recently authored, which said:

When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

In my opinion, Beck and Kristol are both advocating reasonable positions. Kristol believes conservatives should back those seeking freedom in the streets, while Beck believes a revolution will most likely lead to Islamists gaining power. Neither of those are absurd opinions -- but they most certainly are emotional.
Glenn Beck Hits Back at Bill Kristol Over Egypt

Why did he find it necessary to "hit hard"?? Why can't Beck be more amenable, at least agreeing to disagree with his own counterparts? Instead he lashes out, as is his style.

maggie, we've seen imitators of that 'style' in the current crop of trolls here.

I guess it's simpler to lash out and accuse rather than parse and learn.

Mores the pity as I, for one, enjoy a good debate with an intelligent, worthy adversary. With the new batch of trolls, it's not so much debate as snuffing out flash fires.

 

[Bombs 4 Obama]

Looking at the crowd of the Glenn Beck rally it looked like the population of the US in 1776, white and Christian.
Those white Christians of 1776 had many good values but they did not understand or respect racial diversity. They basically stole the land from the Native Americans. They brought Aficans to America to be slaves.
Our founding Father's understood that was not right and put a structure together to allow us to be more accepting of diversity.

Glenn Beck wants to turn the back the clock and have a society for white Christians. In 1776 there were approximately 5,000,000 US citizens and they were almost all white and Christian. Today there are over 300,000,000 us citizens. The whites are predicted to be a minority by 2025. Our founding Fathers based our country on freedom of religion and many religions flourish in the USA.

Glenn Beck's values do not represent who the USA is today, they represent who the USA was in 1776; a white, Christian society.

The truth is America would be better off if it were all white Christians.

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do people like Glenn Beck, Pat Buchanan, Rush Lmbaugh, etc. scare you leftist socialists so much?

Leave Pat Buchanan out of your list of loony conservative pundits please. And the only reason the loons *scare* me is that they have some mystical ability to draw in way too many people, which speaks to the level of intelligence anymore which is usually accomplished by education and the ability to recognize the difference between fact and embellished fact, or in Beck's case, pure fiction.

What does Glen Beck say that isn't true?

A rhetorical question. Do you really want me to link several thousand pages you can find on Google (or YouTube)?

 

[MaggieMae]

Yanno, I asked the same thing and never could get an answer from repubs. I think they don't even know what values he represents because when I asked I was told to watch the entire rally to find out. The funny thing about it is they responded over and over to insult people who asked while claiming they didn't have the time to tell anyone what values or what they mean by "taking their country back" or what they were taking it back from

The Teabaggers DO have a tendency to fuck-up, when they come to the end o' their script/talking-points.....



.....but, if it's a LAUGH, you need, they don't COME anymore-qualified than The 'BAGGERS!!

​

What little I watched of that video didn't show me anything for those folks to be ashamed of, but it did remind me of Obama's saying there are 57 states in America, and pronouncing "corps" as "corpse." It also brought to mind the videos of the Obamaite talking about getting money from Obama's "stash," and the people who were asked easy questions at polling place and not knowing any of the answers, etc., ad nauseam.

Ah yes, those two faux pas are things that are of global importance, not to mention that he said them well over a year ago. Do try to stay current, and better read while you're at it.

 

[whitehall]

Beck has no power. He can't submit a bill or vote on a life or death issue. He gives his analysis of politics on a cable network that isn't supported by the government. Why is the left so concerned about a single political editorialist when the world is going to hell in a handbasket? Two reasons maybe. The posters have no opinion of their own and are being fed by left wing propaganda talking point blogs or the left is really afraid of free speech.

 

[MaggieMae]

I can't resist posting Vanity Fair's opinion of Glenn Beck. It's too classic. This is the nicer part.

Like radio god Rush Limbaugh, Beck combines the roles of pedagogue and demagogue into a single luncheon meat, slathered in blather. But where Limbaugh stays on track in the radio studio, taking a single theme and pounding it flat, Beck is a grab-bag collage artist of half-baked ideas and lore, grafting bits of history and chunks of speculation into a clanking Frankenstein monster with Barack Obama’s face sewn onto Karl Marx’s head and one arm raised in permanent Nazi salute—“liberal Fascism” as an evil action figure.

Read More That's Political Entertainment! | Politics | Vanity Fair

Vanity Fair?? Bwahahhaha.

Glad you laughed. It was meant to be funny.

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do people like Glenn Beck, Pat Buchanan, Rush Lmbaugh, etc. scare you leftist socialists so much?

Leave Pat Buchanan out of your list of loony conservative pundits please. And the only reason the loons *scare* me is that they have some mystical ability to draw in way too many people, which speaks to the level of intelligence anymore which is usually accomplished by education and the ability to recognize the difference between fact and embellished fact, or in Beck's case, pure fiction.

You are really frightened of all the good folks on the conservative band-wagon, aren't you? You can see the end coming for your socialist cause, can't you?

Uh, no. Ain't gonna happen, at least by a bunch of Beckites anyway.

 

[MaggieMae]

"What values does Glenn Beck want to return us to?"

Common decency, kindness and respect for honor and thoughtfulness. To me, he is a genuine shining example of them all.

Common decency? Kindness? Thoughtfulness? Surely you jest.

 

[Lasher]

Not really into logic, are you?

Expand on that, please. How do you figure that? It seems what I said was very logical, but you progressive socialists can twist words with the best of them.

Segregation is not discrimination. And so we see how neo-Fascists can twist words.

You can bag up all that crap you and the new trolls have been spewing around this board. I'm a Liberal, not a Socialist. Scamper down to your local community college, apply for some classes for your G.E.D. then take Political Science 101 at that same community college. There you will learn things Glenn Beck doesn't even know about!

Oh, wow, did I touch a sensitive nerve? Sorry if you got upset at that, but you must learn to accept the truth. Also, your frustration and anger do indicate to me that you are one of the socialist progressives Glenn talks about.

 

[MaggieMae]

The one thing MaggieMae and some others keep confusing is that 'conservative' and "Republican" are not synonymous and, while conservatives do agree on the simplest core principle of conservatism which is self governance within the recognition and protection of unalienable rights, there are no two conservatives that agree on the best way or right way to handle every single issue. There are no two conservatives that see every single issue in exactly the same way. Oh yes, there are.

Conservatives can and do disagree and debate each other passionately without abdicating their conservative credentials. Beck and O'Reilly do disagree at times though they are the best of friends and spend a LOT of time together, professionally and socially. No true conservative is going to be assigned talking points to say, be told what to believe, or feel he or she has to march in lockstep with the consensus of the day or the politically correct stance of the day.

People are conservative because they've arrived at a particular point of view and not because they've picked a side or agreed to accept what they've been told.

And even when they disagree they may neither be necessarily wrong,

At least one person who agrees with me on that:

Why did he find it necessary to "hit hard"?? Why can't Beck be more amenable, at least agreeing to disagree with his own counterparts? Instead he lashes out, as is his style.

maggie, we've seen imitators of that 'style' in the current crop of trolls here.

I guess it's simpler to lash out and accuse rather than parse and learn.

Mores the pity as I, for one, enjoy a good debate with an intelligent, worthy adversary. With the new batch of trolls, it's not so much debate as snuffing out flash fires.

You're correct. The very next post after yours confirmed the new batch of trolls: Bombs 4 Obama = All White Christians.

 

[MaggieMae]

Beck has no power. He can't submit a bill or vote on a life or death issue. He gives his analysis of politics on a cable network that isn't supported by the government. Why is the left so concerned about a single political editorialist when the world is going to hell in a handbasket? Two reasons maybe. The posters have no opinion of their own and are being fed by left wing propaganda talking point blogs or the left is really afraid of free speech.

Except I think we can all agree that yelling "fire" in a crowded room when there is no fire isn't "free speech." It's what Glenn Beck does, though.

 

[Lasher]

The Teabaggers DO have a tendency to fuck-up, when they come to the end o' their script/talking-points.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg

.....but, if it's a LAUGH, you need, they don't COME anymore-qualified than The 'BAGGERS!!

​

What little I watched of that video didn't show me anything for those folks to be ashamed of, but it did remind me of Obama's saying there are 57 states in America, and pronouncing "corps" as "corpse." It also brought to mind the videos of the Obamaite talking about getting money from Obama's "stash," and the people who were asked easy questions at polling place and not knowing any of the answers, etc., ad nauseam.

Ah yes, those two faux pas are things that are of global importance, not to mention that he said them well over a year ago. Do try to stay current, and better read while you're at it.

He who ignores history is bound to relive it.

 

[Lasher]

Beck has no power. He can't submit a bill or vote on a life or death issue. He gives his analysis of politics on a cable network that isn't supported by the government. Why is the left so concerned about a single political editorialist when the world is going to hell in a handbasket? Two reasons maybe. The posters have no opinion of their own and are being fed by left wing propaganda talking point blogs or the left is really afraid of free speech.

BINGO, my friend.

 

[Lasher]

I can't resist posting Vanity Fair's opinion of Glenn Beck. It's too classic. This is the nicer part.



Read More That's Political Entertainment! | Politics | Vanity Fair

Vanity Fair?? Bwahahhaha.

Glad you laughed. It was meant to be funny.

Happy to please an intelligent woman.

 

[Nosmo King]

Expand on that, please. How do you figure that? It seems what I said was very logical, but you progressive socialists can twist words with the best of them.

Segregation is not discrimination. And so we see how neo-Fascists can twist words.

You can bag up all that crap you and the new trolls have been spewing around this board. I'm a Liberal, not a Socialist. Scamper down to your local community college, apply for some classes for your G.E.D. then take Political Science 101 at that same community college. There you will learn things Glenn Beck doesn't even know about!

Oh, wow, did I touch a sensitive nerve? Sorry if you got upset at that, but you must learn to accept the truth. Also, your frustration and anger do indicate to me that you are one of the socialist progressives Glenn talks about.

Your perception is as deep as your intellect.

We can wipe both of them up with a paper towel.

 

[Foxfyre]

So Maggie has completed some on line course I guess that allows her to know exactly what every single conservative thinks about everything. Takes some pretty big balls to know all that and be so positive about what anything thinks about everything.

And Nosmo thinks I'm a troll.

Well, oh well. He has lots of company.

 

[Nosmo King]

So Maggie has completed some on line course I guess that allows her to know exactly what every single conservative thinks about everything. Takes some pretty big balls to know all that and be so positive about what anything thinks about everything.

And Nosmo thinks I'm a troll.

Well, oh well. He has lots of company.

Foxy,
When was the last time you or any of the other responsible Conservatives here framed your arguments with the stilted notion that Liberals=Socialists=Communists?

We have been suffering through what happens to boards from time to time. A new crop of Beck Acolytes have landed here and just aren't thinking too deeply at all.

How are we expected to have decent repartee and debate when we first have to show these mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns a dictionary defining political ideologies? They frame every debate with a loaded question and then scoff at reasoned, well developed replies.

 

[BluesMistress]

Would you believe Bill Kristol?

Stand for Freedom | The Weekly Standard


Or how about Bill O'Reilly who cornered Beck with questions he couldn't answer?

Bill O

Those are only two of many conservatives who think Glenn Beck has more than just a few screws loose.

You really need to keep up with what's happening in the Real World. The world has changed since Feb. Here are a few links as to what is actually happening in the world today.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/weekinreview/20proxy.html?_r=1

The Bahrain crisis and its regional dangers | The Middle East Channel

Adrian Hamilton: The end of the world as we know it - Adrian Hamilton, Commentators - The Independent

Commentary: The Coming Shia War | The National Interest

The world economy: From tsunamis to Typhoons | The Economist

Read up some before sending me old crap links..........

Oh gee, thanks for the heads up. Like I don't read two newspapers every day, two weekly news magazines, subscribe to several online sites, and, had you been around long enough, would know that I thoroughly source every word I say, which means I read read read read read, and then form opinions.

Those "old crap" links weren't old at all, dear. And I thought it would make you happy that they weren't links to leftist sites. But then perhaps that's why you're upset?

Well if you read and read and read then you would know that Glenn Beck was correct. Everything he predicted is now in the news. Still waiting for a few Facts..............

 

[Foxfyre]

So Maggie has completed some on line course I guess that allows her to know exactly what every single conservative thinks about everything. Takes some pretty big balls to know all that and be so positive about what anything thinks about everything.

And Nosmo thinks I'm a troll.

Well, oh well. He has lots of company.

Foxy,
When was the last time you or any of the other responsible Conservatives here framed your arguments with the stilted notion that Liberals=Socialists=Communists?

We have been suffering through what happens to boards from time to time. A new crop of Beck Acolytes have landed here and just aren't thinking too deeply at all.

How are we expected to have decent repartee and debate when we first have to show these mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns a dictionary defining political ideologies? They frame every debate with a loaded question and then scoff at reasoned, well developed replies.

I rarely frame liberals in the socialist/communist framework unless it is obvious that it applies. And I defend liberals about as often as you defend conservatives or give them any credit for anything. Fair enough?

And you have included me with those mouth breathing knuckle-dragging clowns even as you insist on defining political ideologies with a dictionary rather than the realities of what modern American conservatism and liberalism is.

You and I have had some civil debates. I am disappointed now that you see only the conservatives engaging in loaded questions and uncivil debate. To me that is really laughable.