What the oil spill tells us about Obama.

[JakeStarkey]

Katrina and BP are only remotely comparable. How BHO handles the aftermath will be the only criteria for judgement on his action.

 

[keee keee]

Watch this Obama clip and what he said about Katrina.
Hot Air NRSC web video: “Never Again”
Is this the Change you voted for??

 

[NYcarbineer]

How deep is the current oil disaster, bub?

How deep was the 1979 spill off the coast of Mexico?

150 feet.

BP's Gulf battle echoes monster '79 Mexico oil spill

Dude, it's fairly common knowledge that environmental regulations have pushed rigs far off-shore, with mandatory minimum miles off-coast for the rigs. That is one of the reasons they innovated with horizontal drilling, so the rig was X-miles off shore, but could get to the oil that was closer.

No it's not. They are depleting the shallow water resources, that's why they're drilling deeper.
Don't make shit up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How deep is the current oil disaster, bub?

How deep was the 1979 spill off the coast of Mexico?

150 feet.

BP's Gulf battle echoes monster '79 Mexico oil spill

Dude, it's fairly common knowledge that environmental regulations have pushed rigs far off-shore, with mandatory minimum miles off-coast for the rigs. That is one of the reasons they innovated with horizontal drilling, so the rig was X-miles off shore, but could get to the oil that was closer.

Here's an ironic news story to respond to your nonsense.

Shallow-water drilling exempted from moratorium on new off-shore permits | al.com

 

[boedicca]

How many permits for shallow water drilling have been approved in recent years?

 

[Sinatra]

Obama has mishandled this from the start, but it isn't exactly an everyday disaster. So I have cut him slack, but when he gets up there and after a year and a half of being in office, still is blaming the last administration after the inspectors gave BP the clear a month ago, after BP made Obama their number one recieptiant of campaign money. He is now looking like a typicial politician that snowed most the voters in 2008.

Less than typical - as his void of experience is proving him to be even more incapable of leadership than the typical DC standard...

 

[Old Rocks]

So the conservative consensus is that the oil industry is not regulated enough? That the government controls on it aren't stringent enough?

So conservatives will join others, such as the environmentalists, to push to impose much more draconian regulation, restriction, oversight, and control on the oil industry?

I'm guessing NO...

Where do you get this crap from? DO the voices in your head make you write it?
We arent discussing any regulations. What regulation would have prevented this event? None,short of total ban on deepwater drilling.

Rabbi, you are a fucking liar. Had we required that one valve that the countries that around the North Sea do, as does Brazil, it would have prevented this catastrophe.

And a total ban on offshore drilling may happen.

We are discussing Obama's response to this crisis. Which sucks. If he has been thinking about it every day, as he claimed, and things are this bad despite his paying attention, what does that say about his leadership abilities?
He could not have prevented the initial blow out. But he could have done things to mitigate the effects. And he didnt.

Really? Done what? Sand berms? What the hell are those sand berms going to stop as the storms come on?

I do happen to agree that the President could have done more. But very little will be of any avail as the hurricane season spools up. What needs done right now is for NOAA to bring in all the scientific resources they have to track the oil at every level in the Gulf, and as it moves through the Keys and up the coast.

 

[Old Rocks]

How many permits for shallow water drilling have been approved in recent years?

I hope that the amount of permits for off shore drilling will be zero from now on. How much of this can we afford?

 

[The Rabbi]

So the conservative consensus is that the oil industry is not regulated enough? That the government controls on it aren't stringent enough?

So conservatives will join others, such as the environmentalists, to push to impose much more draconian regulation, restriction, oversight, and control on the oil industry?

I'm guessing NO...

Where do you get this crap from? DO the voices in your head make you write it?
We arent discussing any regulations. What regulation would have prevented this event? None,short of total ban on deepwater drilling.

Rabbi, you are a fucking liar. Had we required that one valve that the countries that around the North Sea do, as does Brazil, it would have prevented this catastrophe.

And a total ban on offshore drilling may happen.

We are discussing Obama's response to this crisis. Which sucks. If he has been thinking about it every day, as he claimed, and things are this bad despite his paying attention, what does that say about his leadership abilities?
He could not have prevented the initial blow out. But he could have done things to mitigate the effects. And he didnt.

Really? Done what? Sand berms? What the hell are those sand berms going to stop as the storms come on?

I do happen to agree that the President could have done more. But very little will be of any avail as the hurricane season spools up. What needs done right now is for NOAA to bring in all the scientific resources they have to track the oil at every level in the Gulf, and as it moves through the Keys and up the coast.

The state of LA requested booms to keep the oil at bay. They are still waiting for them, afaik.
Did he form a joint task force with BP to hash out solutions? No. He was intent on scoring political points by demonizing them. Now he is opening criminal investigations. That's a good way to get people to work hard, threatening them with jail.

 

[The Rabbi]

How many permits for shallow water drilling have been approved in recent years?

I hope that the amount of permits for off shore drilling will be zero from now on. How much of this can we afford?

I don't know. How much $15/gal gasoline can you afford?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama has mishandled this from the start, but it isn't exactly an everyday disaster. So I have cut him slack, but when he gets up there and after a year and a half of being in office, still is blaming the last administration after the inspectors gave BP the clear a month ago, after BP made Obama their number one recieptiant of campaign money. He is now looking like a typicial politician that snowed most the voters in 2008.

Less than typical - as his void of experience is proving him to be even more incapable of leadership than the typical DC standard...

Stupidity is saying the tired old stuff, Sinatra, as you have just written, and expecting anyone to believe it. You have no evidence except your opinion, and who cares?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Where do you get this crap from? DO the voices in your head make you write it?
We arent discussing any regulations. What regulation would have prevented this event? None,short of total ban on deepwater drilling.

Rabbi, you are a fucking liar. Had we required that one valve that the countries that around the North Sea do, as does Brazil, it would have prevented this catastrophe.

And a total ban on offshore drilling may happen.

We are discussing Obama's response to this crisis. Which sucks. If he has been thinking about it every day, as he claimed, and things are this bad despite his paying attention, what does that say about his leadership abilities?
He could not have prevented the initial blow out. But he could have done things to mitigate the effects. And he didnt.

Really? Done what? Sand berms? What the hell are those sand berms going to stop as the storms come on?

I do happen to agree that the President could have done more. But very little will be of any avail as the hurricane season spools up. What needs done right now is for NOAA to bring in all the scientific resources they have to track the oil at every level in the Gulf, and as it moves through the Keys and up the coast.

The state of LA requested booms to keep the oil at bay. They are still waiting for them, afaik.
Did he form a joint task force with BP to hash out solutions? No. He was intent on scoring political points by demonizing them. Now he is opening criminal investigations. That's a good way to get people to work hard, threatening them with jail.

The Rabbi the statist (remember you wanting to regulate drugs and other substances) now wants the government to partner with BP. Holy moly. Let's have the government partner with al-quada is as logical as what you have writtena bove. Are you crazy, Rab, or just damn stupid?

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many permits for shallow water drilling have been approved in recent years?

If you don't know, then you were talking out of your ass the other day when you claimed to know.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How many permits for shallow water drilling have been approved in recent years?

I hope that the amount of permits for off shore drilling will be zero from now on. How much of this can we afford?

I don't know. How much $15/gal gasoline can you afford?

No proof for that silly statement.

Goofy, our dependence on oil, much of it from outside our borders, is a national security threat and has been for years.

 

[Sinatra]

Perhaps more Americans will awaken to the fact that it is in great part our own "environmental chic" that has contributed greatly to the Gulf Oil Crisis...
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Krauthammer on the Spill: 'A disaster with many fathers'

Here's my question: Why were we drilling in 5,000 feet of water in the first place?

Many reasons, but this one goes unmentioned: Environmental chic has driven us out there. As production from the shallower Gulf of Mexico wells declines, we go deep (1,000 feet and more) and ultra deep (5,000 feet and more), in part because environmentalists have succeeded in rendering the Pacific and nearly all the Atlantic coast off-limits to oil production. (President Obama's tentative, selective opening of some Atlantic and offshore Alaska sites is now dead.) And of course, in the safest of all places, on land, we've had a 30-year ban on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

So we go deep, ultra deep -- to such a technological frontier that no precedent exists for the April 20 blowout in the Gulf of Mexico.

There will always be catastrophic oil spills. You make them as rare as humanly possible, but where would you rather have one: in the Gulf of Mexico, upon which thousands depend for their livelihood, or in the Arctic, where there are practically no people? All spills seriously damage wildlife. That's a given. But why have we pushed the drilling from the barren to the populated, from the remote wilderness to a center of fishing, shipping, tourism and recreation?

Not that the environmentalists are the only ones to blame. Not by far. But it is odd that they've escaped any mention at all.

Krauthammer on the Spill: 'A disaster with many fathers'

 

[The Rabbi]

I hope that the amount of permits for off shore drilling will be zero from now on. How much of this can we afford?

I don't know. How much $15/gal gasoline can you afford?

No proof for that silly statement.

Goofy, our dependence on oil, much of it from outside our borders, is a national security threat and has been for years.

So your solution is to eliminate drilling in the U.S.
Who's goofy now, s0n??

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many permits for shallow water drilling have been approved in recent years?

http://www.rigdata.com/samples/oegm.pdf

lol, no dessert until you read the whole thing.

 

[oreo]

That he is not all-powerful. Some had this notion that his simply being elected would solve all the worlds problems. It hasn't. They've gotten worse.

How crafty you "conservatives" can be.....trashing Obama (who...I'm assuming...has no background in the oil-business), to deflect from YOUR Super-Capitali$t/profit$-at-ANY-co$t agenda.



Why isn't John Boner begging the oil-boys (from the last Admin) to get more-involved, to....you know....show everyone Pro-Oil-prophets ALWAYS have all-the-answers?????​

Well LIVE a day without OIL and see how WELL you do-- I just watched the National Geographic special on this oil rig. Amazing--we had fire fighters all over the place--coast guard--etc. We had a deep submarine that was "supposed" to be able to shut the valve off at a mile deep--"didn't work."

YET--we didn't have oil tankers capable of carrying hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil--in case all else failed--that could have cifened off the oil that goes to the surface--UNBELIEVABLE.

If someone would have planned for that--this catastrophy would have been CONTAINED until engineers could have figured some other way of turning the valve off.--

If they would have done this--it would have never even come close to shore.

 

[rcajun90]

Obama mentioned that he was in favor of shutting down Gulf oil production. Someone that doesn't know what they are talking about might believe this to be a good idea but it would be a disaster. Talk about nuking Louisiana's economy. Also it will not stop the Chinese from drilling in the Gulf.

 

[HUGGY]

Obama mentioned that he was in favor of shutting down Gulf oil production. Someone that doesn't know what they are talking about might believe this to be a good idea but it would be a disaster. Talk about nuking Louisiana's economy. Also it will not stop the Chinese from drilling in the Gulf.

The Chineeezzzz are an interesting bunch. Actually all asians have some similar traits. For one thing they are very teritorial. The Chineez have however
many billion and people yet they freak out when even one person not of thier culture intrudes. So conversly they must give as they take and so they would never challenge us in the gulf for any reason. They do not understand us therefore they fear us. The dropping of the atomic weapons made an impression on all asians. Our attitude concerning mexicans crossing our borders mystifies them. What they know about us is we have almost magical and mystical wisdom and "cool" and we will deal out enough rope for a country to hang itself then destroy them at will if we even only believe that they truly threaten us. What we did in the pacific in WWII wasn't so very long ago in Chinese time.

The last thing the Chinese want to do is piss us off.