What the oil spill tells us about Obama.

[code1211]

Obviously you didn't read the OP:

HE oversaw the Mineral Management Services for 1.5 years, so if BP was operating so poorly and dangerously, HE had time to fix it.

Comon, at least learn to read before you pretend you know something.

whether or not he had time to fix MMS is immaterial. he certainly should have stepped in and thrown the govt's resources at the problem long before 5 weeks went by.

when the exxon valdez disaster happened, bush1 federalized the response after 14 days.

obama fucked up.

It's simply a lie that no federal resources were deployed for the first 5 weeks.

What Federal Resources were deployed?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Looka, we all knew we were getting a big fat nobody with Obama.... don't act surprised that he is indeed a big fat nobody... just another pinhead academian with zero skills.

 

[code1211]

Since in all likelihood this oil is going to continue to spew out until August, at least the Obama administration can get credit for properly responding to 80% of the disaster.

That being the 80% that doesn't matter? Boot on the neck, make a statement, look concerned after waking up to the problem...

None of those things will keep the oil from hitting the shoreline. If only there was a UAW type contibuting voter block to woe. Since the wildlife doesn't vote or contribute, they are as good as dead.

 

[code1211]

So in this situation, Obama should have provided MORE government, MORE spending of taxpayer's money and not have to find a way to pay for it...

that's the difference in frivilous palm greasing and butt kissing and true emergency spending.. sorry you cannot tell the difference. Had he not wasted so much on butt kissing the unions we would have more to throw into this problem..

Willow, your responses on this board illicit a axiom I heard when I was young...

"Children should be seen and not heard"

Well, he approved spending the other 350 Billion half of the TARP and then the 880 Billion or so on the failed stimulus. More than a Trillion in in Palm Greasing and Butt Kissing. Whether you agree with the expenditure or not, that's some pretty impressive spending.

 

[code1211]

If Obama had federalized the response we'd be in the same place we are now...fucked.

And all you partisan hacks would be outraged that he took over from a private company and y'all would be claiming that we were fucked because he took over.

You morons are transparent.

It was the Dems who said that a president could affect 40 years of mismanagement on the levies and avert hurricanes. It was 0bama who said that his election would mark the day when the sea level began to drop.

All we are asking is that Dems perform in the manner they have led us to believe they will perform.

 

[bucs90]

So the conservative consensus is that the oil industry is not regulated enough? That the government controls on it aren't stringent enough?

....That the oil-companies are using 1971-regulations (developed for much-more-shallow drilling)??????

Gee....I wonder how THAT happened?

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Since 1971..........we've had Carter, Clinton, Obama. They share in that. In fact, the oil lobby pays to more than just right wingers. Like Obama, duh!

Like it or not, our society, the US and the whole planet, revolves around the consumption of oil. And it will continue that way for many decades to come. It's a fact, and like any human activity, the pursuit of oil will result in an occassional accident, sometimes very very bad ones.

 

[bucs90]

That he is not all-powerful. Some had this notion that his simply being elected would solve all the worlds problems. It hasn't. They've gotten worse.

HE oversaw the Mineral Management Services for 1.5 years, so if BP was operating so poorly and dangerously, HE had time to fix it. He didn't. He was busy shoving healthcare down our throats. That small, <$1M piece of equipment that we heard wasn't bought that could've prevented this......that they say BUSH/CHENEY allowed to go unpurchased? Um....if it was that crucial, Obama had 1.5 years to see that it was done. He didn't. He was busy bowing to dictators and shoving healthcare down our throats.

So, either Obama did or didn't allow the MMS/Oil Co. sex/alcohol parties to keep going on under his watch, or he didn't. If he did, he's at fault. If he didn't, well, look what happened.

Obama took a calculated move. He decided to play Big Daddy and sit back and tell the children (BP) to clean the mess on their own. The imagery of the "boot on the neck" is what he wanted. What he got was the imagery of a helpless Obama on a beach, picking at the sand, as it is announced over a month into the disaster that it won't be fixed until August, at the earliest.

What could've been done? Well, Bobby Jindal and many small gov'ts along the coast wanted to build large sand dunes to block the oil from coming on-shore. Their proposal was not approved by Obama for weeks. When it finally same so, Obama Admin approved ONLY 2% OF THE SAND DUNES to be built. You know, can't let a Republican governor, and God forbid a bunch of small governments and private citizens, to come up with an idea to fight this thing. That would deny him the "boot in the neck" imagery he wants.

Not to mention.........the worse this thing gets, in Obama's mind, the better chance he can use it to his advantage to pass Climate Change legislation to redistribute American wealth amongst the world. Too bad for him, that calculation is turning disasterous. This miscalculation, combined with the healthcare mugging of America, has finalized Obama's presidency to a pitiful 1 term and he will possibly not even be the Democratic nominee in 2012.

You really need to change the title of this thread, because this post doesn't tell us anything about President Obama. Your premises are based on YOUR reading of his actions and the intent behind them.

So....ALL it reveals is a picture of YOU...

It reveals what about me? That I'm biased against a radical left wing socialist, borderline communist, who is obviously incompetent and an embarrassment to the office, and who is leading this nation into dangerous situations globally on several fronts? Well.....yeah, you got me

 

[bucs90]

How deep is the current oil disaster, bub?

How deep was the 1979 spill off the coast of Mexico?

150 feet.

BP's Gulf battle echoes monster '79 Mexico oil spill

Dude, it's fairly common knowledge that environmental regulations have pushed rigs far off-shore, with mandatory minimum miles off-coast for the rigs. That is one of the reasons they innovated with horizontal drilling, so the rig was X-miles off shore, but could get to the oil that was closer.

 

[HUGGY]

What the oil spill tells us about Obama.

That he can't swim down 5,000 feet and touch the bottom?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone who believes BHO is a hardline socialist, borderline communist, is either (1) mentally damaged, (2) ignorant, or (3) malignantly motivated. That's how it is taught in much of the South.

 

[bucs90]

What the oil spill tells us about Obama.

That he can't swim down 5,000 feet and touch the bottom?

Yep. And Bush 43 couldn't turn back a Cat 5 Hurricane or soak up 5,000,000,000 gallons of water on New Orleans, and Clinton couldn't end genocide in Kosovo with diplomacy, and Bush 41 couldn't stop an invasion of Kuwait with diplomacy, and Reagan, well, he did stop the Commies of the USSR.

But, point being, the reaction is more important than prevention, because we can't prevent many things.

I wonder this, however. Obama ran a campaign partially on why we needed to get off oil. That it was bad for us and dangerous. So.....when he took power, why did he allow faulty rigs and faulty oversight to continue for 16 months if it was so dangerous?

 

[bucs90]

Anyone who believes BHO is a hardline socialist, borderline communist, is either (1) mentally damaged, (2) ignorant, or (3) malignantly motivated. That's how it is taught in much of the South.

Why? Because you say so? He has supported all ideals of socialism. He has studied and admired socialists and even a commie here and there. He has surrounded himself with socialists and even self-proclaimed communists.

So, let me ask you this. If a man in Los Angeles has studied the Bloods and Crips street gangs for many many years, and in his business he hires dozens of guys who identify themselves as Bloods and Crips, and wear red and blue, and he often speaks with sympathetic leanings towards their philosophies on life, and he speaks of agendas that mirror the goals of those gangs............would it be safe to say he's a possible member as well?

You Obama zombies are probably the most extreme case of denial any clinic could ever study. It's boggling to the mind how much emotional investment you people have put into this man. It's kind of sad to watch. Like a guy going through a horrible relationship with a woman who won't admit he's being played.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone who believes BHO is a hardline socialist, borderline communist, is either (1) mentally damaged, (2) ignorant, or (3) malignantly motivated. That's how it is taught in much of the South.

Why? Because you say so? He has supported all ideals of socialism. He has studied and admired socialists and even a commie here and there. He has surrounded himself with socialists and even self-proclaimed communists.

So, let me ask you this. If a man in Los Angeles has studied the Bloods and Crips street gangs for many many years, and in his business he hires dozens of guys who identify themselves as Bloods and Crips, and wear red and blue, and he often speaks with sympathetic leanings towards their philosophies on life, and he speaks of agendas that mirror the goals of those gangs............would it be safe to say he's a possible member as well?

You Obama zombies are probably the most extreme case of denial any clinic could ever study. It's boggling to the mind how much emotional investment you people have put into this man. It's kind of sad to watch. Like a guy going through a horrible relationship with a woman who won't admit he's being played.

I am not an Obama voter. That you are spilling drool makes you a fool. Quit being silly.

 

[bucs90]

Anyone who believes BHO is a hardline socialist, borderline communist, is either (1) mentally damaged, (2) ignorant, or (3) malignantly motivated. That's how it is taught in much of the South.

Why? Because you say so? He has supported all ideals of socialism. He has studied and admired socialists and even a commie here and there. He has surrounded himself with socialists and even self-proclaimed communists.

So, let me ask you this. If a man in Los Angeles has studied the Bloods and Crips street gangs for many many years, and in his business he hires dozens of guys who identify themselves as Bloods and Crips, and wear red and blue, and he often speaks with sympathetic leanings towards their philosophies on life, and he speaks of agendas that mirror the goals of those gangs............would it be safe to say he's a possible member as well?

You Obama zombies are probably the most extreme case of denial any clinic could ever study. It's boggling to the mind how much emotional investment you people have put into this man. It's kind of sad to watch. Like a guy going through a horrible relationship with a woman who won't admit he's being played.

I am not an Obama voter. That you are spilling drool makes you a fool. Quit being silly.

Oh..........I see, you weren't 18 yet in November 2008. Well, don't worry, you'll have a chance in 2012, but I'd advise don't drink the Obama Kool-Aid.

But for poops and giggles, how do you explain the socialists and self-admitted communists, like Van Jones, that this man has surrounded himself with? SURELY this genius, this intellectual powerhouse, this slick, intelligent, brilliant, cunning man is not ignorant enough to be clueless as to the socialist likings of his peers is he? After all, you surely don't buy the idea that he sat in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years but never heard one bit of the hate-jews hate-whitey speech, right? You do know that was a political ploy that unfortunately worked on gullable liberals?

 

[HUGGY]

What the oil spill tells us about Obama.

That he can't swim down 5,000 feet and touch the bottom?

Yep. And Bush 43 couldn't turn back a Cat 5 Hurricane or soak up 5,000,000,000 gallons of water on New Orleans, and Clinton couldn't end genocide in Kosovo with diplomacy, and Bush 41 couldn't stop an invasion of Kuwait with diplomacy, and Reagan, well, he did stop the Commies of the USSR.

But, point being, the reaction is more important than prevention, because we can't prevent many things.

I wonder this, however. Obama ran a campaign partially on why we needed to get off oil. That it was bad for us and dangerous. So.....when he took power, why did he allow faulty rigs and faulty oversight to continue for 16 months if it was so dangerous?

OK.. Obama obviously misjudged the danger in the lack of regulations and controls administered by the MMS. As you correctly showed ...most disasters are not foreseen and cannot be reacted to when they occur with enough speed to stop them in their tracks if it would be possible at all.

But since we are having a go at a responsible discussion ... Even though it has been 14 months since Obamas taking the reigns I suggest that the thousands of questionable appointments... The probably millions of pages of regulations that should be reviewed... The inability to break the filibuster of appointments Obama still has back logged. With that in mind...even if Obama is not the devil incarnate there has not been enough time or opportunity to do the corrections necessary. I have run several businesses and even at a vastly smaller scale like I operate on it just takes time to get things done.

That said..with the shot across the bow that this spill represents.. He had better focus on the possibilities that can result in actual physical harm. All this hand wringing over the spill is water under the bridge. If we were all as smart as we charge to Obama we would have collectively been screaming to the president to prevent such a disaster BEFORE it occurred as we expect him to have done.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If we turn the world over to bucs90 and his friends who look that way, then we turn the world over to the morally insane.

 

[skookerasbil]

You know..........the more you think about it, the more you realize that this oil response is an absolute DISASTER for the administration. A fcukking disaster!!!

At least with Katrina, anybody with half a brain realizes that alot of the catastrophy was brought on by gross error in judgement before th disaster ever even happened................

 

[HUGGY]

You know..........the more you think about it, the more you realize that this oil response is an absolute DISASTER for the administration. A fcukking disaster!!!

At least with Katrina, anybody with half a brain realizes that alot of the catastrophy was brought on by gross error in judgement before th disaster ever even happened................

On your first point...it is a disaster for our country. Obama just happened to be the president. True he will be judged on the actions he was able to enforce to bring it to a conclusion. America will be watching as the spill is contained and the clean up is handled. Unlike Alaska... this is in plain sight.

The second point you offer is probably the most truthful thing you have said on this MB.

 

[KissMy]

If a liberal Republican exists, his name would be Obama.

Nope......if a radical, left-wing extremist exists, his name IS Obama.

Nope......if a lying ashole radical, extremist exists, his name IS Obama.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

That he is not all-powerful. Some had this notion that his simply being elected would solve all the worlds problems. It hasn't. They've gotten worse.

That's (obviously) a "conservative"-perception.​

"The president has to tell his countrymen loudly and clearly what the real price of oil is. He has to increase government regulation over a negligent oil industry, and he must push harder for alternative energy sources. The one bright spot during these dark days is the fact that, for the first time in history, the man in the White House realizes the necessity for all this."