What represents civilization

[Mr.Fitnah]

In the west, what makes up western thought ?
Is it worth defending?

 

[Big Black Dog]

What represents civilization?

I'm thinking electricity, running water and toilet paper. Without these things it doesn't really appear to be civilization.

 

[Annie]

Judeo-Christian belief system
Rule of law
Free will
Individual freedom and responsibility
Education
Expansion of freedoms, not limits

Yes, worth defending.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Judeo-Christian belief system
Rule of law
Free will
Individual freedom and responsibility
Education
Expansion of freedoms, not limits

Yes, worth defending.

What happens when you introduce anideology that is corrosive to that ideology ?

 

[Annie]

Judeo-Christian belief system
Rule of law
Free will
Individual freedom and responsibility
Education
Expansion of freedoms, not limits

Yes, worth defending.

What happens when you introduce anideology that is corrosive to that ideology ?

What are you referring to? The nuclear family?

 

[Valerie]

Judeo-Christian belief system
Rule of law
Free will
Individual freedom and responsibility
Education
Expansion of freedoms, not limits

Yes, worth defending.

What happens when you introduce an ideology that is corrosive to that ideology ?

What do you mean by corrosive?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

 

[Valerie]

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

That's where rule of law comes in.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Islam Question and Answer - Judging by that which Allaah has revealed
Islam Question and Answer - Should he turn to the human rights organizations to get his rights?
Islam Question and Answer - The kufr of one who rules according to other than what Allaah revealed

Allaah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish Sharee‘ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear from a number of aayaat in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat al-Maa’idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allaah has revealed, and mention the following topics:

The command to rule according to what Allaah has revealed: “And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed: “. . . and follow not their vain desires . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee‘ah, no matter how small: “. . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you . . .” [aayah 49]

Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in the rhetorical question “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?” [aayah 50]

The statement that nobody is better than Allaah to judge: “. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [aayah 50]

The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq (sinner), as Allaah says: “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [aayah 44]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allaah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)” [aayah 45]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon (rebellious or disobedient).” [aayah 47].

The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, even if those who seek their judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: “. . . And if you judge, judge with justice between them. . .” [aayah 42]

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

That's where rule of law comes in.

[al-Tawbah 9:5]

He did not say,“if they pay the jizyah”. The Jews, Christians and Magians are to be asked to enter Islam; if they refuse then they should be asked to pay the jizyah. If they refuse to pay the jizyah then the Muslims must fight them if they are able to do so. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allaah,(2) nor in the Last Day,(3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad),(4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”

[al-Tawbah 9:29]

And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) accepted the jizyah from the Magians, but it was not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) accepted the jizyah from anyone except the three groups mentioned above.

The basic principle concerning that is the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]”

[al-Anfaal 8:39]

“Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Tawbah 9:5]

This verse is known as Ayat al-Sayf (the verse of the sword).

These and similar verses abrogate the verses which say that there is no compulsion to become Muslim.

And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat li’l-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 6/219


Islam Question and Answer - There is no compulsion to accept Islam

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

That's where rule of law comes in.

As a muslim you know the law.

 

[Valerie]

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

That's where rule of law comes in.

As a muslim you know the law.

And as an American you know the law.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

That's where rule of law comes in.

As a muslim you know the law.

And as an American you know the law.

In Islam the law supersedes mans law.

 

[Valerie]

As a muslim you know the law.

And as an American you know the law.

In Islam the law supersedes mans law.

Bummer for them then if they want to be Americans they can't break our laws.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

And as an American you know the law.

In Islam the law supersedes mans law.

Bummer for them then if they want to be Americans they can't break our laws.

Why would they want to be Americans when Islam requires something else?

 

[rdean]

In the west, what makes up western thought ?
Is it worth defending?

What represents civilization

How we treat the poor.

Republicans won't understand this.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

In the west, what makes up western thought ?
Is it worth defending?

What represents civilization

How we treat the poor.

Republicans won't understand this.

We give everyone the opertunity toexceeded beyond the dreams of avarice .

 

[Valerie]

In Islam the law supersedes mans law.

Bummer for them then if they want to be Americans they can't break our laws.

Why would they want to be Americans when Islam requires something else?

Good question.

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

As for the OP.........THIS is not civilized.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Bummer for them then if they want to be Americans they can't break our laws.

Why would they want to be Americans when Islam requires something else?

Good question.

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

As for the OP.........THIS is not civilized.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2051486-post9.html

 

[Annie]

An ideology that requires submission to its laws under penalty of death, rather than an open society .

That is not of the West, except capital crimes. Are you really arguing the death penalty? If so, this is a cryptic way to go about it.