What needs to be done about healthcare reform

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    I have worked in various longterm healthcare facilities and agencies for the developmentally disabled. What people don't realize is that next to greedy, unregulated health insurance companies, this is the root cause of our problem. Medicaid and Medicare are out of control. Do you know why?
    BECAUSE WE SPEND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS KEEPING COMPLETELY DISABLED, USELESS PEOPLE ALIVE AND BETTER THAN THE TAX-PAYING, WORKING UNINSURED IN NURSING HOMES AND OTHER FACILITIES.
    Some examples: A client with profound mental retardation is 63 years old, has resided in an institution for his entire life, is completely immobile, incontinent, unaware, mostly unconscious, an IQ of maybe 10, obviously could never pay taxes but will live to be a 100 because he has all the attention in the world from doctors and nurses... The median cost of keeping him alive and giving him the best healthcare in the country next to a congressman: $200,000 A MONTH!!!! THAT ADDS UP TO MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HIS LIFETIME. WHY DO WE KEEP THEM ALIVE? SO THEY CAN LAY THERE IN THEIR OWN SHIT???
    Another example: A resident in a nursing home with advanced Alzheimer's, 98 years old. Fits a similar description as above. Medicaid has spent millions on her over the last 15 years when her money ran out, so she can also lay in a bed in her own shit staring at the ceiling.
    This is where your tax dollars are REALLY going people. I dont think even congress understands that. As you can see, altogether with at least a million inherently worthless beings in our society, this is costing us - the real working people who must die if we cant afford insurance and those who do have insurance - trillions.
    I SAY LET THEM DIE!!!
    Let the Nazi accusations fly. Whatever. You're an idiot if you believe that. How are we any better than Nazis when we deny care to a 20 year old with cancer who doesnt have insurance, but value the life of a worthless retard in a bed more?
     
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    Very simple...

    Repeal OWEbama care. It's unconstitutional, and another of OWEbama's monumental disasters.

    Simple things that could have been done like allowing for interstate competition between insurance companies and TORT reform after OWEbama care is repealed will be a good start on tackling health care reform the RIGHT way.
     
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    Youre just buying into that lazy, keep the status-quo Fox News ideology. That still doesn't do a thing for all the millions of uninsured that must either a) Don't get sick, or b)If you get sick, die quickly.
    What about those people?
    REPUBLICAN PARTY = PARTY OF NO SOLUTIONS
     
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    It took guts to write that Op, and I applaud you, wyomingpatrot. I dun think many people are emotionally equipped to face the realities of our "choices" to save every baby No Matter What and to prolong life No Matter What (often, disregarding the patient's wishes).

    I represented a Neurological Birth Injury Fund for awhile, and I agree with you completely. Yes, we have the medical knowledge to sustain life in a 18 week old fetus with drug addiction and birth defects and birth injuries. But sooner or later, we have to face the question: should we? Is this best for that baby? For its family? For us, as a society?

    And you are 100% correct. When we react without thinking, in some Disney-fied haze that "all life is precious" and save these quasi-viable fetuses and mostly-dead elderly, what we are actually choosing is to deny health care to the young and healthy.

    We NEED "death panels". We need Medical Ethics Boards that will reach humane decisions about allocating care...because there just is not enough to go around, and there will be less and less in the future as science advances ever onward.
     
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    I dont support Obamacare and other Obama legislation specifically, but I agree with its underlying principle of healthcare being a right and not a privilege. I merely suggest taking away the trillions squandered on retards and invalid elderly or at least most of it, and give it back to us, the working tax-payer. Why hasn't anyone thought of it? Oh, right...because everyone in Washington is a politician, and their first concern is getting re-elected.
    There's simply no way of justifying the death of the young and the uninsured when an invalid for life gets the best of health care!
     
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    Pale, the reality is no matter how we structure insurance vs Obamacare vs universal coverage, this issue will have to be dealt with. If not by my generation, then by my daughter's. It is already having a very heavy impact, but few people are willing to admit that yet. In another 20 years, pretending will not be an option.

    Mebbe in 10 years, even.
     
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    Madeline,
    THANK YOU!! (i'd say God bless you, but I don't believe in God)
    I've just never thought it fair that the life of profoundly retarded person or a crack baby is more valuable than mine, but apparently it is. And yours too.
     
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    You asked, I candidly responded, and this is the reply I get?

    Fuck you dick head.
     
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    What chaps my ass the most is the elderly who are not allowed to die with dignity. I am 57, and so I can imagine being very old. The idea of being trapped in that nightmare you describe horrifies me and I have got documents meant to prevent it, but as you well know, a meddling social worker or whatnot can easily avoid them as a practical matter.

    My brother's MIL is 96 years old and has been in a nursing home for about a year. She has stopped eating, and they are having a devil of a time getting the home to agree not to IV and tube her. It should not be like this...why should this lovely woman have to use starvation to get her wishes carried out? What happens if she slips a few more gears before she passes away?

    We both know, they'll tube her...and she'll linger indefinately, in pain, lost to the world. I think that is what is "Nazi-like".
     
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    And the name calling begins! Yes! You see, that's why it's impossible to have a coherent discussion with anyone that can even remotely construed as being in support of Obamacare - the second you make a logical point that easily collapses the same stupid argument we hear everyday on Fox News, they just yell louder and walk away.
    Doesnt it piss you off that your life means shit, Pale? Go to a nursing home and take a walk around. You'll walk away pale as a ghost and realize what I mean. You need to see someone with Alzheimer's, or who is profoundly retarded. It ain't pretty.
     

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