What is your answer to Seattle’s problem? Also the nation’s problem?

[Conservative65]

Not if you think being a fence riding moderate no one can trust is a good thing.

I'm not a fence rider at all, I've made my choice. None of the above. I don't vote for lesser of the two evils when it is still evil you're voting for.

Still waiting for your explanation as to why blue cities have homeless crises and red cities do not.

I've already said it because they don't have the same programs, population, and situations. Why are red states constantly taking more federal money than blue states?

In my State, one commonly referenced as what you did, the only blue district in the state is the poorest by far. In fact, in a ranking of congressional districts and where they stood when it came to social welfare money received, that blue district ranked as high as 10 and the lower the number isn't good. The closet red district in my state in that same ranking was somewhere in the 80s. What that means is the blue district received so much, it made it appear as if the part making it a red states was the problem. Strange how things are different when you look at the details.

You have a governor yes? Obviously he isn't doing his job then. Still a state problem.

Not when the district is causing it. There are only so many things anyone can do to help freeloaders.

 

[Conservative65]

In WW2 Americans said Germans were the enemy.
Did every American say that? No.
Was every German an enemy? No.

Only an idiot can't grasp the generalization though.

In regards to political affiliations, yes, generalizations are worthless. Only an idiot can't grasp that.

I'm a JFK Conservative.
Grasp that.

Good for you, do you want a cookie?

Says the person who lacks the intelligence to grasp generalizations.

Oh I grasp them just fine. I just don't use them like other idiotic douchebags do. Instead I actually..../GASP....think for myself. Unlike your retarded ass.

Yet you think anyone that doesn't believe like you blindly follows whatever they believe.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

In Nevada I can do write ins or third party. I'll vote but not for Dem or GOP.

I voted 3rd party in 2008. Didn't like what the Republicans offered and damn sure wasn't going to vote for a socialist.

Well according to your logic you were a worthless fence sitter in 2008 since that is what you are accusing me of because I won't vote for YOUR candidate.

I actually voted for a Conservative candidate. The one the Republicans offered wasn't so I chose a 3rd party that met the ideology I support.

So you think EVERYTHING that is conservative is good and EVERYTHING liberal is bad?

Since the only thing Liberals seem to be saying centers around rich people don't pay their fair share while believing half not paying any income taxes is fair, people have rights to things for which the Constitution grants none, and compassion involves seeing how much you can get someone else forced to pay for what you believe, I'd say yes, everything Liberal is bad. That doesn't mean everything conservative is good but there's enough for me to side that way every time.

So the idea of welfare is bad then. If someone loses their job, they are just tough out of luck and on the streets huh? That is a liberal idea. Blacks and women having the right to vote was a LIBERAL idea. It was a conservative idea to just keep things the way they were. Children working in factories was a CONSERVATIVE idea. Sorry, but not everything liberal is bad.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

In regards to political affiliations, yes, generalizations are worthless. Only an idiot can't grasp that.

I'm a JFK Conservative.
Grasp that.

Good for you, do you want a cookie?

Says the person who lacks the intelligence to grasp generalizations.

Oh I grasp them just fine. I just don't use them like other idiotic douchebags do. Instead I actually..../GASP....think for myself. Unlike your retarded ass.

Yet you think anyone that doesn't believe like you blindly follows whatever they believe.

Not at all, but you do blindly follow conservatism no matter what it is. I do not. Not everything liberal is bad and not everything conservative is good. Now even I can admit many of the liberal things that have happened in the last 8 years are not good. But that doesn't mean that a conservative candidate is going to be better. Trump is just a different kind of bad. Same with Cruz. And there is no way I am voting for Hillary and while his intentions are good I don't think Sanders ideas should be implemented. Therefore I have no candidate for Dem or Rep. That doesn't make me a fence sitter nor does it make me worthless because I won't vote for YOUR candidate.

 

[Conservative65]

I voted 3rd party in 2008. Didn't like what the Republicans offered and damn sure wasn't going to vote for a socialist.

Well according to your logic you were a worthless fence sitter in 2008 since that is what you are accusing me of because I won't vote for YOUR candidate.

I actually voted for a Conservative candidate. The one the Republicans offered wasn't so I chose a 3rd party that met the ideology I support.

So you think EVERYTHING that is conservative is good and EVERYTHING liberal is bad?

Since the only thing Liberals seem to be saying centers around rich people don't pay their fair share while believing half not paying any income taxes is fair, people have rights to things for which the Constitution grants none, and compassion involves seeing how much you can get someone else forced to pay for what you believe, I'd say yes, everything Liberal is bad. That doesn't mean everything conservative is good but there's enough for me to side that way every time.

So the idea of welfare is bad then. If someone loses their job, they are just tough out of luck and on the streets huh? That is a liberal idea. Blacks and women having the right to vote was a LIBERAL idea. It was a conservative idea to just keep things the way they were. Children working in factories was a CONSERVATIVE idea. Sorry, but not everything liberal is bad.

Damn right it is.

The Liberal idea is that those who had nothing to do with that person losing his/her job owe the one that did something. Sad part is the Liberals who claim compassion for those people think they show it by seeing how much they can get others forced to pay for such programs. They think compassion involves having someone else do it.

The Liberal answer to solving the country's problem centers around forcing others to fund what they believe. That's bad.

I bet you think the 15th and 19th amendment gave blacks and women the right to vote.

 

[Conservative65]

I'm a JFK Conservative.
Grasp that.

Good for you, do you want a cookie?

Says the person who lacks the intelligence to grasp generalizations.

Oh I grasp them just fine. I just don't use them like other idiotic douchebags do. Instead I actually..../GASP....think for myself. Unlike your retarded ass.

Yet you think anyone that doesn't believe like you blindly follows whatever they believe.

Not at all, but you do blindly follow conservatism no matter what it is. I do not. Not everything liberal is bad and not everything conservative is good. Now even I can admit many of the liberal things that have happened in the last 8 years are not good. But that doesn't mean that a conservative candidate is going to be better. Trump is just a different kind of bad. Same with Cruz. And there is no way I am voting for Hillary and while his intentions are good I don't think Sanders ideas should be implemented. Therefore I have no candidate for Dem or Rep. That doesn't make me a fence sitter nor does it make me worthless because I won't vote for YOUR candidate.

Blind following means choosing before looking. I've said more than once I look then follow. You don't have to believe but don't think your doing so is a requirement for what I say to be true.

Since you don't know who my candidate is, saying "your" candidate makes you look foolish. In fact, even thought my primary is less than a month away, I have yet to decide who my candidate is. When I do, you can be damn sure it will be because I looked at what they believed first and not the other way around.

 

[Skylar]

Probably New York's solution: a law mandating that the City have enough shelters for everyone who needs a bed. And a law prohibiting sleeping on the street. With anyone found sleeping on the streets or outside picked up and dropped off at either a shelter, or jail.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

The Liberal answer to solving the country's problem centers around forcing others to fund what they believe. That's bad.

Did you agree with Iraq war? I didn't, therefore I was forced to fund what I didn't believe in. Are you going to take advantage of SS? That is a liberal idea you are using. If you had your way I would be forced to fund the pipeline from Canada. There are MANY things government forces you to fund. Are you saying that NO conservative idea has ever been funded with government money? This is why your thinking is very simplistic and ignorant. You don't even think before you type. You just think conservat5ive good liberal bad like some dumb ass caveman. In fact I can hear you saying that in a caveman voice.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

Good for you, do you want a cookie?

Says the person who lacks the intelligence to grasp generalizations.

Oh I grasp them just fine. I just don't use them like other idiotic douchebags do. Instead I actually..../GASP....think for myself. Unlike your retarded ass.

Yet you think anyone that doesn't believe like you blindly follows whatever they believe.

Not at all, but you do blindly follow conservatism no matter what it is. I do not. Not everything liberal is bad and not everything conservative is good. Now even I can admit many of the liberal things that have happened in the last 8 years are not good. But that doesn't mean that a conservative candidate is going to be better. Trump is just a different kind of bad. Same with Cruz. And there is no way I am voting for Hillary and while his intentions are good I don't think Sanders ideas should be implemented. Therefore I have no candidate for Dem or Rep. That doesn't make me a fence sitter nor does it make me worthless because I won't vote for YOUR candidate.

Blind following means choosing before looking. I've said more than once I look then follow. You don't have to believe but don't think your doing so is a requirement for what I say to be true.

Since you don't know who my candidate is, saying "your" candidate makes you look foolish. In fact, even thought my primary is less than a month away, I have yet to decide who my candidate is. When I do, you can be damn sure it will be because I looked at what they believed first and not the other way around.

$10 bucks says your candidate is either Cruz or Trump right? There I was correct.

 

[Spinster]

[ But my question is, is being homeless the same as being homeless but the city offers food every day and shelter every night? If that is the case, that is far better than sleeping on the streets. Maybe San Diego is caring better for them?

Yes, San Diego "IS" caring for them better. I even listed the government programs that help with the homeless.

Ok, thanks. DId not read your link. So if we can at least care for the homeless then homelessness is not as serious, at least for single adults. And San Diego is apparently doing so.

Which does not really take on the greater problem for this nation and that is mental illness. It is one thing to walk around looking for a job or "hanging out." But quite another to be mentally ill and not sure what that person's next move might be. Not only is mental illness not being treated nearly enough in this nation, there is not even proper treatments available for many of these conditions. Again, I think for some their only hope is God.

I've been to Seattle many times and it is extremely cold there much of the time especially at night. Not sure where you think it is mild.


My main point is that Seattle needs better programs not God. You can pray to God all you want, but that isn't going to put food on your table or give you shelter from the elements.

Part of Seattle's problem is climate related, just like Portland Oregon, San Fran, LA, and Diego. These are mild climates, so not particularly miserable to be sleeping outside in winter. The issue with increased minimum wage is most homeless are drug addicts or mentally ill. They have no desire to work and become main stream. Homelessness for a large percentage is a CHOICE. We who aren't don't comprehend that decision. As a result of the higher minimum wage, tons of jobs have been lost due to economic cutbacks of staff the small businesses were forced to make to accommodate the increase. Economy is a fine balance, one which can easily be upset with sweeping legislature and mandates. For those who are unaware, Washington currently has an extremely liberal Governor, and greater Seattle/Tacoma has been trying to follow his wishes because it is all about politics. Fortunately, the Governor's reign is coming to an end soon, so there will likely be some changes other than just at the capital level.

Comparatively speaking, Seattle doesn't have the intense snow, ice, and wind chill factors that the east coast does, for example. In winter, it usually has a cloud cover which makes it warmer. Temperatures in winter are typically in the high 40s and low 50s, not sub zero. Freezing days during these seasons are nearly non-existent. That doesn't mean I'd enjoy living in the elements, but compared to many other locations, it's not bad.

 

[Claudette]

Quite a few of those homeless people are right where they want to be.

No job. No taxes to pay. No responsibilities and places to go for free meals and a place to sleep.

If they don't want to be homeless then let them get off their asses and make it happen.

I have no sympathy for any of them and I sure as hell don't want to support them.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

OMFG, I can NOT believe how messed up nearly every poster in this thread can so easily pigeon-hole their ideas to make it a political debate, completely forgetting the whole problem at hand. And not ONE of you even live here. I DO! Now, can we get back to the topic at hand? Seattle's homeless crisis ring any bells??

Homelessness can be contributed to many factors including un/under employment, those who 'slip thru the cracks' of government benefits & don't receive any-including the working poor, astronomical cost of living including high rent costs due to shortages of affordable rentals, etc etc etc.

Remember the real estate bubble of 2008? We're still struggling thru the effects of that in many ways. Lots of people lost their homes & jobs at that time and even now it's still happening but has slowed to a trickle. Foreclosures are still happening and once you've had a foreclosure on your credit you can't run out & buy a new home and it's difficult to even find rentals that require credit checks that will give you the time of day if you don't have A+ credit rating or cost/income ratio doesn't exceed a certain amount.. IF you can find an apartment somewhere that is affordable, it's usually got bars on the windows and community bathroom & not a safe place to be. Given those choices, I don't blame many of them for choosing the streets. Why pay for what you can get for free?
Even shelters are usually at capacity & have to turn many away, especially when it does get cold &/or stormy. Charities & churches sometimes have rules and requirements before they'll help. Many can't, won't or don't comply for whatever reasons. Many churches too refuse to help because it's too dirty or criminal/drug activity or a thousand other excuses.

Average cost of a one bedroom apartment in Seattle is around $1400-$1500 per month, not including utilities. Rent Too High? Compare Seattle’s Neighborhoods

Couple that with even full time of 40 hours a week at $15 per hour. Gross income is around $2400 minus $600-$700 for deductions (taxes, medicare, social security, etc) That leaves only $1700-$1800 per month net income. Minus the $1450 for rent leaves $350 at most for utilities. Electric may run $100-$200 monthly. $150-ish left for food, clothes & any other expenses? And this is for one person. Now throw in maybe some child support from your ex, gas & car maintainance if you're lucky to have one, maybe even a kid or three of your own to support. It's not counting the first, last and numerous deposits required to even get into a rental.Tell me, how's that working for ya?
Government handouts? Not eligible unless there are a couple of kids involved. Eligibility | Food and Nutrition Service
And these aren't even the 'welfare bums' as everyone thinks. These are the hardworking people trying to make it and they can't. Many are living in their car or RV if they have any & tents or boxes if not, trying to save enough for the startup costs.

Then of course there are those with mental health issues, that either can't afford their meds or the health coverage premiums to even see a DR to get the help they need, whether they are employed or not. Yes many choose this lifestyle because there isn't really any other choice.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Comparatively speaking, Seattle doesn't have the intense snow, ice, and wind chill factors that the east coast does, for example. In winter, it usually has a cloud cover which makes it warmer. Temperatures in winter are typically in the high 40s and low 50s, not sub zero. Freezing days during these seasons are nearly non-existent. That doesn't mean I'd enjoy living in the elements, but compared to many other locations, it's not bad.

I beg to differ, though it's true our climate here isn't as bad or extreme as other parts of the country, it does freeze and frequently. Even night temps in the upper 30's/low 40's being more typical, then add precipitation to the mix and it's cold. Heaven forbid if your shoes or other clothing have any holes or thread-bare and lets hope they don't have to sleep directly on the ground, even under a makeshift tent the ground is wet.

 

[Conservative65]

The Liberal answer to solving the country's problem centers around forcing others to fund what they believe. That's bad.

Did you agree with Iraq war? I didn't, therefore I was forced to fund what I didn't believe in. Are you going to take advantage of SS? That is a liberal idea you are using. If you had your way I would be forced to fund the pipeline from Canada. There are MANY things government forces you to fund. Are you saying that NO conservative idea has ever been funded with government money? This is why your thinking is very simplistic and ignorant. You don't even think before you type. You just think conservat5ive good liberal bad like some dumb ass caveman. In fact I can hear you saying that in a caveman voice.

You funded what the Constitution gives the Congress a delegated power to do. I hope you aren't one of those that tries that shitty argument.

I will take SS for one reason and one reason only. I was REQUIRED to be a part of it. As a Conservative, I think people should be able to opt out and invest their money as they see fit. As a Conservative, if you choose not to invest, when you get older and don't have anything, I'll tell you tough shit. Being a Conservative doesn't mean I shouldn't get back what is mine and what I was required to put in. That's not getting anything but MY money the federal government took from me and told me I had no choice in the matter.

I know Liberal is bad.

You can't hear a damn thing with your head up your ass. If you want to hear it, I'll be glad to tell you where you actually can but you won't like what you hear.

 

[Conservative65]

Says the person who lacks the intelligence to grasp generalizations.

Oh I grasp them just fine. I just don't use them like other idiotic douchebags do. Instead I actually..../GASP....think for myself. Unlike your retarded ass.

Yet you think anyone that doesn't believe like you blindly follows whatever they believe.

Not at all, but you do blindly follow conservatism no matter what it is. I do not. Not everything liberal is bad and not everything conservative is good. Now even I can admit many of the liberal things that have happened in the last 8 years are not good. But that doesn't mean that a conservative candidate is going to be better. Trump is just a different kind of bad. Same with Cruz. And there is no way I am voting for Hillary and while his intentions are good I don't think Sanders ideas should be implemented. Therefore I have no candidate for Dem or Rep. That doesn't make me a fence sitter nor does it make me worthless because I won't vote for YOUR candidate.

Blind following means choosing before looking. I've said more than once I look then follow. You don't have to believe but don't think your doing so is a requirement for what I say to be true.

Since you don't know who my candidate is, saying "your" candidate makes you look foolish. In fact, even thought my primary is less than a month away, I have yet to decide who my candidate is. When I do, you can be damn sure it will be because I looked at what they believed first and not the other way around.

$10 bucks says your candidate is either Cruz or Trump right? There I was correct.

Are you really that fucking stupid? Apparently, "I have yet to decide who my candidate is" must not mean anything to you. If you think you're correct by saying something I indicated has been decided, I'll just take your damn money and treat you like the retard you are.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

The Liberal answer to solving the country's problem centers around forcing others to fund what they believe. That's bad.

Did you agree with Iraq war? I didn't, therefore I was forced to fund what I didn't believe in. Are you going to take advantage of SS? That is a liberal idea you are using. If you had your way I would be forced to fund the pipeline from Canada. There are MANY things government forces you to fund. Are you saying that NO conservative idea has ever been funded with government money? This is why your thinking is very simplistic and ignorant. You don't even think before you type. You just think conservat5ive good liberal bad like some dumb ass caveman. In fact I can hear you saying that in a caveman voice.

You funded what the Constitution gives the Congress a delegated power to do. I hope you aren't one of those that tries that shitty argument.

I will take SS for one reason and one reason only. I was REQUIRED to be a part of it. As a Conservative, I think people should be able to opt out and invest their money as they see fit. As a Conservative, if you choose not to invest, when you get older and don't have anything, I'll tell you tough shit. Being a Conservative doesn't mean I shouldn't get back what is mine and what I was required to put in. That's not getting anything but MY money the federal government took from me and told me I had no choice in the matter.

I know Liberal is bad.

You can't hear a damn thing with your head up your ass. If you want to hear it, I'll be glad to tell you where you actually can but you won't like what you hear.

Yeah you are a hypocrite. You have no problem taking SS like a little whiny bitch but then complain about liberalism. I don't see how you can see me with your hypocrite head so far up your ass you can give yourself a blowjob from the inside.

Keep whining you bitch, that's all you are.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

Oh I grasp them just fine. I just don't use them like other idiotic douchebags do. Instead I actually..../GASP....think for myself. Unlike your retarded ass.

Yet you think anyone that doesn't believe like you blindly follows whatever they believe.

Not at all, but you do blindly follow conservatism no matter what it is. I do not. Not everything liberal is bad and not everything conservative is good. Now even I can admit many of the liberal things that have happened in the last 8 years are not good. But that doesn't mean that a conservative candidate is going to be better. Trump is just a different kind of bad. Same with Cruz. And there is no way I am voting for Hillary and while his intentions are good I don't think Sanders ideas should be implemented. Therefore I have no candidate for Dem or Rep. That doesn't make me a fence sitter nor does it make me worthless because I won't vote for YOUR candidate.

Blind following means choosing before looking. I've said more than once I look then follow. You don't have to believe but don't think your doing so is a requirement for what I say to be true.

Since you don't know who my candidate is, saying "your" candidate makes you look foolish. In fact, even thought my primary is less than a month away, I have yet to decide who my candidate is. When I do, you can be damn sure it will be because I looked at what they believed first and not the other way around.

$10 bucks says your candidate is either Cruz or Trump right? There I was correct.

Are you really that fucking stupid? Apparently, "I have yet to decide who my candidate is" must not mean anything to you. If you think you're correct by saying something I indicated has been decided, I'll just take your damn money and treat you like the retard you are.

Oh please, no one is buying your "Haven't picked a candidate yet" BS. It's either Cruz or Trump like the good little lemming you are.

 

[Conservative65]

The Liberal answer to solving the country's problem centers around forcing others to fund what they believe. That's bad.

Did you agree with Iraq war? I didn't, therefore I was forced to fund what I didn't believe in. Are you going to take advantage of SS? That is a liberal idea you are using. If you had your way I would be forced to fund the pipeline from Canada. There are MANY things government forces you to fund. Are you saying that NO conservative idea has ever been funded with government money? This is why your thinking is very simplistic and ignorant. You don't even think before you type. You just think conservat5ive good liberal bad like some dumb ass caveman. In fact I can hear you saying that in a caveman voice.

You funded what the Constitution gives the Congress a delegated power to do. I hope you aren't one of those that tries that shitty argument.

I will take SS for one reason and one reason only. I was REQUIRED to be a part of it. As a Conservative, I think people should be able to opt out and invest their money as they see fit. As a Conservative, if you choose not to invest, when you get older and don't have anything, I'll tell you tough shit. Being a Conservative doesn't mean I shouldn't get back what is mine and what I was required to put in. That's not getting anything but MY money the federal government took from me and told me I had no choice in the matter.

I know Liberal is bad.

You can't hear a damn thing with your head up your ass. If you want to hear it, I'll be glad to tell you where you actually can but you won't like what you hear.

Yeah you are a hypocrite. You have no problem taking SS like a little whiny bitch but then complain about liberalism. I don't see how you can see me with your hypocrite head so far up your ass you can give yourself a blowjob from the inside.

Keep whining you bitch, that's all you are.

Why shouldn't I take something that took from me? It would be hypocritical to have the option to not be a part then not opt out. I don't have that option and my choice has nothing to do with Liberalism and everything to do with the money is MINE. If you are willing to be forced to do something then not take what is yours back when it comes that time, you're a fucking retard.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

The Liberal answer to solving the country's problem centers around forcing others to fund what they believe. That's bad.

Did you agree with Iraq war? I didn't, therefore I was forced to fund what I didn't believe in. Are you going to take advantage of SS? That is a liberal idea you are using. If you had your way I would be forced to fund the pipeline from Canada. There are MANY things government forces you to fund. Are you saying that NO conservative idea has ever been funded with government money? This is why your thinking is very simplistic and ignorant. You don't even think before you type. You just think conservat5ive good liberal bad like some dumb ass caveman. In fact I can hear you saying that in a caveman voice.

You funded what the Constitution gives the Congress a delegated power to do. I hope you aren't one of those that tries that shitty argument.

I will take SS for one reason and one reason only. I was REQUIRED to be a part of it. As a Conservative, I think people should be able to opt out and invest their money as they see fit. As a Conservative, if you choose not to invest, when you get older and don't have anything, I'll tell you tough shit. Being a Conservative doesn't mean I shouldn't get back what is mine and what I was required to put in. That's not getting anything but MY money the federal government took from me and told me I had no choice in the matter.

I know Liberal is bad.

You can't hear a damn thing with your head up your ass. If you want to hear it, I'll be glad to tell you where you actually can but you won't like what you hear.

Yeah you are a hypocrite. You have no problem taking SS like a little whiny bitch but then complain about liberalism. I don't see how you can see me with your hypocrite head so far up your ass you can give yourself a blowjob from the inside.

Keep whining you bitch, that's all you are.

Why shouldn't I take something that took from me? It would be hypocritical to have the option to not be a part then not opt out. I don't have that option and my choice has nothing to do with Liberalism and everything to do with the money is MINE. If you are willing to be forced to do something then not take what is yours back when it comes that time, you're a fucking retard.

Your hypocrisy noted that you willingly are going to take part in a LIBERAL program as long as it gives you money. Typical hypocrite. Just like the Republican politician preaching about how homosexuality is wrong while giving a blowjob to some same sex intern.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Oh and crime is so out of control people are hiring private security by the neighborhood......trayvonns beware