California Proposition 1

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

in other words.....once again ....nothing....

It's everything. You can't, Harry, explain anything.

 

[AZrailwhale]

As opposed to just throwing people away?

Homelessness is a complex problem and there no fast and easy fix. I speak as a person who worked with the Homeless and at risk of Homeless.

I've read Prop. 1 and I have voted for Prop 1 (absentee voting). Newsom is NOT shipping Homeless to other states. Nor is he putting razor wire in the water, ReNaziKlan Governors do. Nor is Governor Newsom selling Gold Sneakers that are not yet in the process of manufactured and he sure as hell has not sold non-existent trading cards with money that does not exist. You want to talk about throwing money, you people do it gladly.

I worked on L.A.s skid row for years. “Homeless” people are broken down into three groups, First, substance abusers, you can’t help them on a wholesale level, they can only be helped one at a time when and if they decide to allow themselves to be helped, Second, the mentally ill. They need to be institutionalized for their own protection which liberals won’t allow against the mentally ill person’s desires. Third and lastly, the real homeless who are broken down into two sub-groups: A: the economically disadvantaged who are down on their luck, they can be helped with financial assistance. B: The people who are homeless by choice like panhandlers and beggars. They can’t be helped because they like having no responsibilities.
That may be over-simplified, but that is my experience.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Tough issue.

the average rent for a 1 br apartment in LA County is $2600/mo.
Assuming that is 1/3 of gross income that puts the income required to afford a 1 br apt at $7400/mo or $55/hour.

the average hourly wage for a worker inn LA county is $22.

Thus the average hourly worker would need an additional $33 per hour to afford a minimal home.

BUT
Raising those wages would only serve to increase prices meaning this is not a wage issue.

The issue is availability.
Get in an airplane and fly from San Diego to San Francisco between the coast and I5. What you'll see is there is no place to build. What land that can be built on, is built along with lots of places they should never have built.

So how do we increase supply?

1. Build lots of homes. Not 3 BR pool size homes but build vertically. Mini-City apartment complexes housing thousands in a vertical environment with shopping, medical, school and child care available within the community.
and
2. Build effective, fast, and widely available mass transit.

California is a lab experiment in the social impact of huge wealth disparities with billionaires living in hundred million dollar mansions, when they're at home and homeless people on the street outside the mansion.

Why doesn't NY with 20 million people in the ther 13,300 SM metro area have the same level of homelessness as CA with 39 million people spread over 164,000 SM? Because housing in NY is vertical. The American dream is crushing California.

Wrong NY has horrible housing availability. It has a lower homeless rate because it has cold winters. Southern CA has a great, warm climate, you can easily live outside year round. Plus California has great benefits for the homeless.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Stuff it doof. In CA Illegals can’t afford shelter so Homelessness also equals Illegal. Case closed.

Illegals can and do afford shelter. They ban together to afford rent. I’ve seen fourteen to sixteen people living in a one bedroom apartment That is often taxpayer subsidized Section 8 housing because the illegals have American citizen infants.

 

[scruffy]

California is struggling to deal with a spiraling homelessness crisis. Our state has more than 181,000 homeless people — a number that has increased a mind-bending 40% since 2019, per a CalMatters report. Whatever the state government is doing, it’s not working.

And what it’s doing, mainly, is throwing money at the problem. Figures from last year peg state homeless spending at $7.2 billion a year, or $42,000 per homeless person.

Instead of rethinking the state’s failed approach, Gov. Gavin Newsom wants to throw more money at the problem and give state agencies — rather than local governments, which generally have done a better job — more power to control funding.

“Housing First” diverts money from programs that could help the homeless get back on their feet toward a utopian concept that views homelessness mainly as a housing matter. Given the mental-health and addiction issues that are a main reason many people are homeless, it’s unwise to base state policy on the idea that the main solution is just giving them a permanent home. Even if it were a sound approach, the state has shown itself incapable of building affordable housing quickly and cost effectively, with many projects costing $800,000 or more a unit.

Well hell, that's one way to make a terrible problem much worse. The Democrat way, throw money at the problem and cross your fingers.

MSN

181,000 is lowball by now.

Note how badly the federal fucktards LIE to us.

HUD still claims there are only 60,000 in the entire US.

But the truth is, there's more than that in Los Angeles alone

 

[Dadoalex]

Wrong NY has horrible housing availability. It has a lower homeless rate because it has cold winters. Southern CA has a great, warm climate, you can easily live outside year round. Plus California has great benefits for the homeless.

20 million in 13.3k SM
as opposed to
39 million in 164K SM

Half as many people in 1/10th of the area?

If you can't find actual factual data don't make it up.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It's everything. You can't, Harry, explain anything.

are you the one who writes kamalas speeches?....

 

[22lcidw]

As opposed to just throwing people away?

Homelessness is a complex problem and there no fast and easy fix. I speak as a person who worked with the Homeless and at risk of Homeless.

I've read Prop. 1 and I have voted for Prop 1 (absentee voting). Newsom is NOT shipping Homeless to other states. Nor is he putting razor wire in the water, ReNaziKlan Governors do. Nor is Governor Newsom selling Gold Sneakers that are not yet in the process of manufactured and he sure as hell has not sold non-existent trading cards with money that does not exist. You want to talk about throwing money, you people do it gladly.

When the government is involved, everything costs a hundred times more. This does not have to be complicated. Unfortunately, one crazier person causing death, injuries and destruction of properties gets the juices of the lawyers flowing. This after the corrupted people involved in building the structures makes them as expensive as a resort home.

 

[ScorpioRising007]

Tough issue.

the average rent for a 1 br apartment in LA County is $2600/mo.
Assuming that is 1/3 of gross income that puts the income required to afford a 1 br apt at $7400/mo or $55/hour.

the average hourly wage for a worker inn LA county is $22.

Thus the average hourly worker would need an additional $33 per hour to afford a minimal home.

BUT
Raising those wages would only serve to increase prices meaning this is not a wage issue.

The issue is availability.
Get in an airplane and fly from San Diego to San Francisco between the coast and I5. What you'll see is there is no place to build. What land that can be built on, is built along with lots of places they should never have built.

So how do we increase supply?

1. Build lots of homes. Not 3 BR pool size homes but build vertically. Mini-City apartment complexes housing thousands in a vertical environment with shopping, medical, school and child care available within the community.
and
2. Build effective, fast, and widely available mass transit.

California is a lab experiment in the social impact of huge wealth disparities with billionaires living in hundred million dollar mansions, when they're at home and homeless people on the street outside the mansion.

Why doesn't NY with 20 million people in the ther 13,300 SM metro area have the same level of homelessness as CA with 39 million people spread over 164,000 SM? Because housing in NY is vertical. The American dream is crushing California.

I think you got a very good idea here, build vertically. Increasing housing in California would be one way to solve the problem. I agree that increasing the wage alone will do very little in California, the cost of living is just so high that even a wage hike won't make a huge difference.

Another idea would be to create a subside program. If you can't afford the rent and your income falls under a certain range the government pays the rest of the rent. The government gets this money to help pa for peoples rent by increasing taxes on the very rich in California.

Another idea is for the government to create housing built for those who have a hard time affording it. Building vertically these building, like they did in the Soviet Union. They could be centrally controlled. They could have blocks and blocks of these skyscrapers. They would be more affordable with the government actually paying for some of the rent so the tenants didn't have to pay high rent prices to live there. The government would get the money to help pay for the resident's rent by raising taxes on the wealthy in California.

 

[Concerned American]

The government gets this money to help pa for peoples rent by increasing taxes on the very rich in California.

Don't look now, but the very rich in CA are leaving--try again.

Building vertically these building, like they did in the Soviet Union.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Use the same tech they used to build the double decker fwys in Oakland, SF and the Bay Bridge so they can collapse and kill all of those poor people like happened during the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1987.

They could be centrally controlled. They could have blocks and blocks of these skyscrapers.

They've already done that in Chicago--they call them the projects. Real success stories--if you're a violent criminal or drug dealer.

The government would get the money to help pay for the resident's rent by raising taxes on the wealthy in California.

Again, the wealthy in CA are LEAVING.

 

[leftwinger]

Illegals can and do afford shelter. They ban together to afford rent. I’ve seen fourteen to sixteen people living in a one bedroom apartment That is often taxpayer subsidized Section 8 housing because the illegals have American citizen infants.

they have CA APT rules. 2 per bedroom max. How do they get away with it?

 

[leftwinger]

20 million in 13.3k SM
as opposed to
39 million in 164K SM

Half as many people in 1/10th of the area?

If you can't find actual factual data don't make it up.

You are missing the areas of Long Island, Staten Island, manhattan…..five bouroughs etc. in your calculation perhaps?.

You are comparing an entire State Population of CA. Mostly open desert, farmland or wilderness.

Try LA city or SF or SJ only to compare To one bourough..

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... notice the far right critters have no solutions only criticisms.

 

[Thinker101]

they have CA APT rules. 2 per bedroom max. How do they get away with it?

That's a tough one. There are occupancy standards that vary by city. The renter could be evicted if they go above the limit. But evicting someone is tough these days, since most laws/rules these days favor the tenant.

 

[leftwinger]

... notice the far right critters have no solutions only criticisms.

read the boards you ignorant piece of human garbage.

 

[AZrailwhale]

they have CA APT rules. 2 per bedroom max. How do they get away with it?

I’ve never seen those rules, if they exist, enforced. The only time I ever saw it tried was in Los Angeles City owned apartments. I worked for the phone company and in an effort to combat the overcrowding we had to check in with the manager’s office to verify that the person applying for the line was on the lease. People simply switched to cell phones instead of land lines.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Tough issue.

the average rent for a 1 br apartment in LA County is $2600/mo.
Assuming that is 1/3 of gross income that puts the income required to afford a 1 br apt at $7400/mo or $55/hour.

the average hourly wage for a worker inn LA county is $22.

Thus the average hourly worker would need an additional $33 per hour to afford a minimal home.

BUT
Raising those wages would only serve to increase prices meaning this is not a wage issue.

The issue is availability.
Get in an airplane and fly from San Diego to San Francisco between the coast and I5. What you'll see is there is no place to build. What land that can be built on, is built along with lots of places they should never have built.

So how do we increase supply?

1. Build lots of homes. Not 3 BR pool size homes but build vertically. Mini-City apartment complexes housing thousands in a vertical environment with shopping, medical, school and child care available within the community.
and
2. Build effective, fast, and widely available mass transit.

California is a lab experiment in the social impact of huge wealth disparities with billionaires living in hundred million dollar mansions, when they're at home and homeless people on the street outside the mansion.

Why doesn't NY with 20 million people in the ther 13,300 SM metro area have the same level of homelessness as CA with 39 million people spread over 164,000 SM? Because housing in NY is vertical. The American dream is crushing California.

New York doesn't have earthquakes that could flatten a 50 story building in seconds.

 

[justoffal]

California is struggling to deal with a spiraling homelessness crisis. Our state has more than 181,000 homeless people — a number that has increased a mind-bending 40% since 2019, per a CalMatters report. Whatever the state government is doing, it’s not working.

And what it’s doing, mainly, is throwing money at the problem. Figures from last year peg state homeless spending at $7.2 billion a year, or $42,000 per homeless person.

Instead of rethinking the state’s failed approach, Gov. Gavin Newsom wants to throw more money at the problem and give state agencies — rather than local governments, which generally have done a better job — more power to control funding.

“Housing First” diverts money from programs that could help the homeless get back on their feet toward a utopian concept that views homelessness mainly as a housing matter. Given the mental-health and addiction issues that are a main reason many people are homeless, it’s unwise to base state policy on the idea that the main solution is just giving them a permanent home. Even if it were a sound approach, the state has shown itself incapable of building affordable housing quickly and cost effectively, with many projects costing $800,000 or more a unit.

Well hell, that's one way to make a terrible problem much worse. The Democrat way, throw money at the problem and cross your fingers.

MSN

You're just too stupid to know that the economy is really good.

 

[sartre play]

Wrong NY has horrible housing availability. It has a lower homeless rate because it has cold winters. Southern CA has a great, warm climate, you can easily live outside year round. Plus California has great benefits for the homeless.

Correct, that is a large part of the problem.

 

[Thinker101]

You're just too stupid to know that the economy is really good.

Yup, my bank account keeps lying to me.